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Quote (Gene @ Sep. 22 2009,17:25) TO All………..Jesus does (NOT) Share the (SAME) position as the FATHER DOES, NOW or ever Will. Or why would He turn His KINGDOM over to the FATHER and BE SUBJECT to HIM?. It is because He will rule by the (AUTHORITY) of GOD the FATHER, Not because HE IS GOD. GOD gives him His Seven SPIRITS with POWER to exercise His Authority on EARTH, during the Millennial Reign of Christ. But after the Jesus turns it back over to the FATHER, (“that God may be (ALL) and in (ALL”). ONE GOD in ALL things>ONE WILL working in ALL things, Not some triune GOD'S, Just ONE GOD> IMO peace and love to you all………………………………gene
Isn't that my trinitarian view?? Jesus is equal in essence or being…less in Authority?Amen to your post!
Hi RM,
If Jesus was given authority in what way does that make him innately equal?
The lesser is blessed by the greater[Heb7]
Seek the kingdom.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 22 2009,14:37) Hi RM,
If Jesus was given authority in what way does that make him innately equal?
The lesser is blessed by the greater[Heb7]
Seek the kingdom.
NHBut as usual you only look at part of the picture.
John 1:1, 14, Phil 2:6-8
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 22 2009,14:45) Hi WJ,
Which part of Jesus being the SON of GOD do you not grasp?
NHWhich part of being “human” like your father do you not grasp?
WJ
WJ……….Humans are created by passing on DNA, of the flesh, GOD Children are Created by GOD'S Spirit (INDWELLING) them, Spirit and Flesh are not the same as you try to make it sound. The flesh profits nothing , but GOD'S Spirit profits much, it creates His Children , the sons of GOD. The first man Adam is from below, the second (MAN) Adam is from above and as we have (ALL) shared in the earthly we shall (ALL) share in the Heavenly. Two (different) existences. WSS
peace and love………………..gene
HG,
Of course the ALL is not all men.
1Cor 15 is written to those IN CHRIST.
You have to come to him to be reborn from aboveTo all……….here is something to consider , the Flesh is passed on by DNA, now when a child is born He only has His DNA makeup, but Spirit is add into Him and He becomes able to think, but this thinking is Neutral when He is Born, unless GOD has decided to alter it. He just has an ability to think and as He matures He is being Spiritually feed from the world and then he begins to take on the worlds Spirit (intellect), (as John put it the lust of the flesh the lust of the eyes and the pride of life are (from) the world). This young child begins to bring these thing into his life as He grows and they form His mental outlook on life. And unless God intervenes in his life He will Just continue to go down the road He learned from until He Dies. Now (IF) GOD has intervened in His life His thinking will be altered and His awareness will increase He ill begin to think like GOD thinks , because GOD'S Spirit is in Him to raise His level of understanding of the truth. That is why it says we are (CREATED) unto righteousness, It is a work of GOD that CREATES HIS Children. Remember it says (NOT) by power nor by Strength, but (MY) Spirit says the Eternal. Jesus was (CREATED) unto GOOD WORKS ALSO. And if you have this mind (OF GOD) in you (IT) will also quicken your mortal bodies, Just like it did Jesus. WSS
peace and love to you all………………gene
Gene said:
Quote TO All………..Jesus does (NOT) Share the (SAME) position as the FATHER DOES, NOW or ever Will. Or why would He turn His KINGDOM over to the FATHER and BE SUBJECT to HIM?. Gene,
Jesus is equal in authority NOW. If He is not then Paul's statement that He “will be” subject is MEANINGLESS. You are not making sense. Furthermore, it is the Son's kingdom by right and inheritance. The Father bound Himself by oath so He cannot take the kingdom away from the Son. Therefore, the Son WILLINGLY turns over the kingdom to the Father and WILLINGLY becomes subject.The Son does not have to give back the kingdom. It is His by “birthright.” The Father is a just God. So He cannot force the Son to give back His inheritance and become subject.
Can't you see how humble Jesus really is? Put on a sober mind. Please! My God is just. Your God gives the Son His rightful inheritance and then says, “I am taking it back and making you My subject.” Your God is not the God of the scriptures.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 23 2009,08:31) Hi TT,
Good,
You can now distinguish our God from His Son.
3 in 1 Nickthinker
HI tt,
I Know that is the dogma but better to stay with what is written to fellowship with the Father and His Sonthinker………Indeed GOD is a Just GOD, and if Jesus did not turn the kingdom back to him who gave it, then Jesus would be stealing from GOD the FATHER , because it is GOD (IN) HIM providing the SPIRITS and THE POWER to obtain the kingdom in the first place. Jesus is only giving it back to whom it belongs. You trinitarians keep wanting to push Jesus ahead of GOD the FATHER or trying to make HIM equal to Him. PURE NONSENSE. Jesus gives the kingdom back and become subject to Him because that is what He is supposed to do. There is only ONE Will that WILL be DONE in the KINGDOM of GOD and it is (NOT) Jesus' WILL. Jesus said (THY) KINGDOM COME (THY) WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. The kingdom is GOD the FATHERS and SO is the POWER of IT> IMO
gene
gene
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 23 2009,11:50) thinker………Indeed GOD is a Just GOD, and if Jesus did not turn the kingdom back to him who gave it, then Jesus would be stealing from GOD the FATHER , because it is GOD (IN) HIM providing the SPIRITS and THE POWER to obtain the kingdom in the first place. Jesus is only giving it back to whom it belongs. You trinitarians keep wanting to push Jesus ahead of GOD the FATHER or trying to make HIM equal to Him. PURE NONSENSE. Jesus gives the kingdom back and become subject to Him because that is what He is supposed to do. There is only ONE Will that WILL be DONE in the KINGDOM of GOD and it is (NOT) Jesus' WILL. Jesus said (THY) KINGDOM COME (THY) WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN. The kingdom is GOD the FATHERS and SO is the POWER of IT> IMO gene
gene
If Jesus has God in him, he is composed of part man and part God.My understanding is that God isn't just in him…God is part OF him.
Son of man, yet Son of God.
Just is not greater than YHWH, yet can do everything YHWH can…
So we must agree he is equal in ability…if he is equal in ability…then he is God as well.
Hi RM,
Scripture tells us GOD WAS IN HIM but I agree this grates with most popular denominations.
But surely you would support scripture against the ideas of men?
Who is your real master?RM………God is SPIRIT Jesus said, that Spirit was in Jesus (it is the mind of GOD) A mind is the (intellect) in a Person It is what He perceives and understands, WE have been give the (Spirit) OR INTELLECT that Jesus had in Part. We Have the Spirit (intellect ) of truth in us , It is the earnest of the Spirits. Why because it guides us into truth and both accuses Us and defends US. It (IS) SPIRIT (INTELLECT) of TRUTH. Therefore we have no need of a teacher because the SPIRIT OF TRUTH teaches us all things. Without the SPIRIT OPERATING among People you have nothing but confusion as you see Here, NEARLY everyone with there own views same as all the organizations of the TRINITY religions all are at odds and can not come to any conformity, or there would not be so many different teachings in their organizations. MYSTERY (BABYLON) the great (Yes GREAT CONFUSION) in all “CHRISTIANITY” THAT CONFUSION IS EVEN EVIDENT HERE AND THAT IS WHY NO ADVANCEMENT IT TAKING PLACE HERE. THE TRINITY IS A MAJOR SOURCE OF THIS CONFUSION. IMO
peace and love………………..gene
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