The millennium

[terraricca]

hi ron
it is not important ,we have spend enough time on the nedle.

this document you have shown to us in the topic is “methodist” material is it ?

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 04 2009,23:54)

hi ron it is  not important ,we have spend enough time on the nedle. this document you have shown to us in the topic is “methodist” material is it ?

No I do not believe they are Methodist. If I have time I will look into it, all I know they are of a Bible only group, which could encompass a few denominations.

I do not know to much of the Methodist.

[terraricca]

hi ron

there are so many of them

[banana]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2009,16:39)

hi georg so John 8;22 Jesus was talking to the jews in the Temple yard or around the Temple right?

terraricca

I think I know were you going with this, so let me ask you to save time; show me a scripture that says any one is going to heaven.

Georg

[terraricca]

hi georg
first you dont answer the question,
secondly you know what i think.

not wander you go ashray,
are taking this approched the scriptures ?

[GeneBalthrop]

tO aLL…….THE MILLENNIUM REIGN OF CHRIST IS ON THE EARTH WITH THE SAINTS OF GOD. “for the kingdom shall be given to the saints of the most high”> The first resurrection takes place at Christs return and the second resurrection takes place at the end of the Millennial reign of Jesus and the Saints. (the thousand year period) on the earth where evil is removed and peace is on earth even the natures of the wild animals are changes during that time. At the end of that period the ADVERSARIAL SPIRIT (satan) will be released for a short period 3.5 years and gather the nation to war against Christ and the Saints, and fire will come down from heaven and devour them, and the the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT WILL BEGIN AND THE SECOND RESURRECTION ALSO. IMO

peace and love to you all……………….gene

[terraricca]

hi gene
wen is the second resurection take place?
before the final jugement or after ?

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tO aLL…….THE MILLENNIUM REIGN OF CHRIST IS ON THE EARTH WITH THE SAINTS OF GOD. “for the kingdom shall be given to the saints of the most high”> The first resurrection takes place at Christs return and the second resurrection takes place at the end of the Millennial reign of Jesus and the Saints. (the thousand year period) on the earth where evil is removed and peace is on earth even the natures of the wild animals are changes during that time. At the end of that period the ADVERSARIAL SPIRIT (satan) will be released for a short period 3.5 years and gather the nation to war against Christ and the Saints, and fire will come down from heaven and devour them, and the the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT WILL BEGIN AND THE SECOND RESURRECTION ALSO. IMO

could you explain

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 05 2009,05:25)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2009,16:39) hi georg so John 8;22 Jesus was talking to the jews in the Temple yard or around the Temple right? terraricca I think I know were you going with this, so let me ask you to save time; show me a scripture that says any one is going to heaven. Georg

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in 'elohim, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Yeshua HaMoshiach saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Psalm 104:3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Philippians 3:20-21 For our conversation [citizenship] is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Yeshua HaMoshiach: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Luke 23:43 And Yeshua HaMoshiach said unto him verily I say unto thee to day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of 'elohim.

[banana]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 06 2009,02:04)

hi georg first you dont answer the question, secondly you know what i think. not wander you go ashray, are taking this approched the scriptures ?

terraricca

You must have joined the club of those that ignore answering a question, when they don't know the answer.

Georg

[banana]

Ron

Where will Jesus be when he returns? will he not rule here on earth?
Is not the new Jerusalem, coming out of heaven the mansion, 1500 miles square and high, the place Jesus has prepared for the saints?
Not until after the millennium, and Satan and all evil has been put down, will God dwell with men.
Meeting Christ in the air or clouds simply means, meeting him in the spirit world, and clouds hide things, and sometimes protect us from the bright sun, Rev. 1;16.
Dan. 7:13 was a vision.
Phil. 3:20,21; their citizenship was in heaven, meaning, their reward, but their bodies were still walking on earth. From “whence” also we look for the savior, they were looking for the savior to come to them, nothing said about going up.
Luke 23:43, how badly this scripture is misunderstood.
First of all, it says paradise, is paradise in heaven?
Second, Jesus was in the grave for three days, than he waited for 50 days before he ascended to heaven; that is when the Father excepted his sacrifice for our sins, and glorified his son, giving him immortality; so how could the criminal have his sins forgiven that same day?
Paradise was on earth when Adam sinned, and Jesus will restore paradise here on earth. That is were Jesus and the saints will rule, Rev. 5:10.

Georg

[terraricca]

hi georg
Jesus was talking to all the people ,but eventually he explain to is diciples what the scriptures add in store for him the do,this was fortold by the prophets,He ad to die to fullfill the prophets word(God)
he also explain that it was a benefit to them if he does,so all what was promesed can be given to them.

[banana]

Quote (Gene @ Dec. 06 2009,04:02)

tO aLL…….THE MILLENNIUM REIGN OF CHRIST IS ON THE EARTH WITH THE SAINTS OF GOD. “for the kingdom shall be given to the saints of the most high”> The first resurrection takes place at Christs return and the second resurrection takes place at the end of the Millennial reign of Jesus and the Saints. (the thousand year period) on the earth where evil is removed and peace is on earth even the natures of the wild animals are changes during that time. At the end of that period the ADVERSARIAL SPIRIT (satan) will be released for a short period 3.5 years and gather the nation to war against Christ and the Saints, and fire will come down from heaven and devour them, and the the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT WILL BEGIN AND THE SECOND RESURRECTION ALSO. IMO peace and love to you all……………….gene

Gene

How can the second resurrection be after the millennium?
After the millennium Satan will be loosed again, (it does not say anywhere for 3 and 1/2 years) and as the scripture say, he will deceive many, and as they approach the city of the saints, God destroys them all, Satan being the “last” enemy to be destroyed; so how can the second resurrection take place then?
Besides, who would Jesus and the saints rule over during the 1000 years.

[GeneBalthrop]

Georg…….The reason i believe it will be 3.5 years is because it will take about that time to convience all the nation of the earth to organize and assemble an army and come against the Saints and Christ at Jerusalem. IMO I know scripture does not say 3.5 years it will take to convience all the nations of the world to assemble and attack the Saints and Jesus at Jerusalem. But that time period does seem applicable though.

Georg…..you ask how can the second resurrection be after the Millennium. Let's talk about this, first i will ask some questions and hopefully explain, 1 question………why even have a millennium reign in the first place, this is why you think it has to be for the Judgment period of the dead. And they are going to be given their Chance at salvation. But scripture say the rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years were finished, (remember)> and So what is GOD'S reason for this period in anyway, this is what i  think, it is to prove a point, not yet proven to mankind until the thousand year reign is over.

 Let me explain , you see man has a excuse for his sins and that is that He was under strong influence by preexisting condition in the world, evil was influencing him from his berth and as John said “all that is in the world the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life are (FROM) the world. So this affords man and excuse for his sinning, SO GOD took a time period where there was (NO) INFLUENCE of SIN in the world , All is at great Peace with only righteousness and world peace in the earth and the inhabitance only had Good influence effecting them , so with the (evil) removed from the earth man would naturally go with the good influence, specially if they were born into it and never knew any difference, no evil pull what so ever during that thousand year period, they would be very much like Job was with God's shield around them, they would only learn righteousness and they would willing walk in righteousness.

But you see they also become (self righteous) and even when the Saints would try to tell them they needed GOD Spirit to be in them to Have true righteousness they would simple say we do all of GODS commandments, and what do you tell a person when they are really doing GOD commandments , this is why it says they shall wear out the Saints of the Most HIGH.  Much like Job, his friends could not convince him of any wrong (except for Illhou) Then GOD had to directly intervene.  You and I know we have done GOOD at times , but we also KNOW we Have DONE EVIL ALSO. Imagine trying to tell perfect and upright people they need to be saved they need GOD'S Spirit (IN) them in order to truly be righteous.

So to show (MANKIND) that even if righteousness was in existence for a thousand years , when EVIL (INFLUENCE) comes they will start doing Evil, GOD releases EVIL again on the earth (at the end of the thousand years) , and immediately it (INFLUENCES) people to begin to think EVIL against the SAINTS and JESUS and form a army to come against them at Jerusalem, that is when fire comes down and devours them.

Now GOD'S point has been proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, (NO) one came be righteous and maintain it on their own, they must have GOD'S Spirit (or seed) in them. This is A BIG BIG POINT FOR ALL OF MANKIND to understand, and the Millennium absolute proves this for all mankind for ever and man then will know he can not on his own attain to righteousness , he must Have GOD the FATHER'S SEED (HOLY SPIRIT) IN him.
This is the reason for the thousand year reign of Jesus and the Saints, It proves this simple bit HUGH POINT.  IMO

peace and love to you and Irene………………gene

[terraricca]

hi gene
just think it took 40 years to get rid of the revolted people in the dessered at the time of the 12 spies so that none would enter the promessed land

[banana]

Quote (Gene @ Dec. 06 2009,12:21)

Georg…….The reason i believe it will be 3.5 years is because it will take about that time to convience all the nation of the earth to organize and assemble an army and come against the Saints and Christ at Jerusalem. IMO I know scripture does not say 3.5 years it will take to convience all the nations of the world to assemble and attack the Saints and Jesus at Jerusalem. But that time period does seem applicable though. Georg…..you ask how can the second resurrection be after the Millennium. Let's talk about this, first i will ask some questions and hopefully explain, 1 question………why even have a millennium reign in the first place, this is why you think it has to be for the Judgment period of the dead. And they are going to be given their Chance at salvation. But scripture say the rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years were finished, (remember)> and So what is GOD'S reason for this period in anyway, this is what i  think, it is to prove a point, not yet proven to mankind until the thousand year reign is over.  Let me explain , you see man has a excuse for his sins and that is that He was under strong influence by preexisting condition in the world, evil was influencing him from his berth and as John said “all that is in the world the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life are (FROM) the world. So this affords man and excuse for his sinning, SO GOD took a time period where there was (NO) INFLUENCE of SIN in the world , All is at great Peace with only righteousness and world peace in the earth and the inhabitance only had Good influence effecting them , so with the (evil) removed from the earth man would naturally go with the good influence, specially if they were born into it and never knew any difference, no evil pull what so ever during that thousand year period, they would be very much like Job was with God's shield around them, they would only learn righteousness and they would willing walk in righteousness. But you see they also become (self righteous) and even when the Saints would try to tell them they needed GOD Spirit to be in them to Have true righteousness they would simple say we do all of GODS commandments, and what do you tell a person when they are really doing GOD commandments , this is why it says they shall wear out the Saints of the Most HIGH.  Much like Job, his friends could not convince him of any wrong (except for Illhou) Then GOD had to directly intervene.  You and I know we have done GOOD at times , but we also KNOW we Have DONE EVIL ALSO. Imagine trying to tell perfect and upright people they need to be saved they need GOD'S Spirit (IN) them in order to truly be righteous. So to show (MANKIND) that even if righteousness was in existence for a thousand years , when EVIL (INFLUENCE) comes they will start doing Evil, GOD releases EVIL again on the earth (at the end of the thousand years) , and immediately it (INFLUENCES) people to begin to think EVIL against the SAINTS and JESUS and form a army to come against them at Jerusalem, that is when fire comes down and devours them. Now GOD'S point has been proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, (NO) one came be righteous and maintain it on their own, they must have GOD'S Spirit (or seed) in them. This is A BIG BIG POINT FOR ALL OF MANKIND to understand, and the Millennium absolute proves this for all mankind for ever and man then will know he can not on his own attain to righteousness , he must Have GOD the FATHER'S SEED (HOLY SPIRIT) IN him. This is the reason for the thousand year reign of Jesus and the Saints, It proves this simple bit HUGH POINT.  IMO peace and love to you and Irene………………gene

Like you said, its your opinion.

Georg

[GeneBalthrop]

Georg………True, but then so is what you have said, but overall scripture will back up what i am saying. I quoted you where it said the rest of the dead did not rise until the thousand years were finished, do you also disagree with that?.

peace and love to you and Irene…………………….gene

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 05 2009,12:14)

Quote (Gene @ Dec. 06 2009,04:02) tO aLL…….THE MILLENNIUM REIGN OF CHRIST IS ON THE EARTH WITH THE SAINTS OF GOD. “for the kingdom shall be given to the saints of the most high”> The first resurrection takes place at Christs return and the second resurrection takes place at the end of the Millennial reign of Jesus and the Saints. (the thousand year period) on the earth where evil is removed and peace is on earth even the natures of the wild animals are changes during that time. At the end of that period the ADVERSARIAL SPIRIT (satan) will be released for a short period 3.5 years and gather the nation to war against Christ and the Saints, and fire will come down from heaven and devour them, and the the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT WILL BEGIN AND THE SECOND RESURRECTION ALSO. IMO peace and love to you all……………….gene Gene How can the second resurrection be after the millennium? After the millennium Satan will be loosed again, (it does not say anywhere for 3 and 1/2 years) and as the scripture say, he will deceive many, and as they approach the city of the saints, God destroys them all, Satan being the “last” enemy to be destroyed; so how can the second resurrection take place then?   Besides, who would Jesus and the saints rule over during the 1000 years.

The second resurrection is after the millinium.

[Constitutionalist]

Revelation 20:12-13 identifies those comprising the second resurrection as the wicked judged by 'elohim at the great white throne judgment prior to being cast into the lake of fire.

The second resurrection, then, is the raising of all unbelievers; the second resurrection is connected to the second death.

It corresponds with Yeshua HaMoshiach’ teaching of the “resurrection of damnation”. John 5:29

The event which divides the first and second resurrections seems to be the millennial kingdom.

The last of the righteous are raised to reign “with the Messiah a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4), but the “rest of the dead [that is, the wicked] lived not again until the thousand years were finished”. Revelation 20:5

[terraricca]

hi ron
wen Jesus said that there will be a resurection at the end for the righteous and the unrighteous,this will be at the end of the melinium,at the jugement DAY mean not 24 hours could be a time frame.

[banana]

Quote (Gene @ Dec. 07 2009,05:05)

Georg………True, but then so is what you have said, but overall scripture will back up what i am saying. I quoted you where it said the rest of the dead did not rise until the thousand years were finished, do you also disagree with that?. peace and love to you and Irene…………………….gene

Gene

Most definitely.
Besides, it says, “will not live again”.
If the millennium is not for teaching all those that will be resurrected “during” the millennium, than what is it for?
People will live marry and procreate during the millennium, while Satan is put away. All these new generations will have no idea who Satan is, and what he can do to the mind, they will learn only God's way of life. Their loyalty to God will have to be tested, just as ours was.
When Satan is loosed, the bible says there will be millions who follow Satan. That shows that death has not yet been conquered by all, in other words, as long as there is a possibility for you to die, you are considered dead.
Only after the last enemy (Satan) is destroyed, will all the rest live again, for ever.

Georg

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