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Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 21 2008,04:24) Good morning, Theo. Quote I need to revisit my understanding of just what Gods love entails…Perhaps the necessity for correction,because of our stuborn stiff necked nature was the only option available
Very good point, brother. Love can look like discipline and correction. In fact we are told that our sonship is not even genuine unless we receive discipline. I have received much correction from the LORD, perhaps if nothing else, that is how I know I am his?However with that being said, when you discipline your child you do not discipline them unto death…..
Quote The level of brutality depicted in the OT is no more than the level of brutality we live with today
I agree with you here, however the brutality of the OT is credited to God himself.I certainly don't want you and other's to get the idea that I think the bible is useless. I do consider the bible to be a word of God. I didn't say THE word of God because I don't believe that the canon and God's mouth were closed at the same time. I respect those who believe it is the only word of God, I just would love it if they could respect my view (this seems a bit harder for some to do).
Love,
Mandy
Greetings Mandy….It is not my intention to deminish the obvious brutality in the OT,however,a good understanding of the circumstances that perpertrated Gods judgement is where the message lies….God gets involved in the affairs of men and uses wars among other means to punish and execute judgements….Our lives are the most precious possessions we have,we are commanded not to murder,which is willfull taking of life….God is not governed by the law,he is the law….He is the giver of life as well as the taker as he see fits….The bible is the inspired word of God and I am sure he uses other media to communicate his will,especially in the case of those that do not read and have no formal education…Quote (david @ Aug. 23 2008,03:08) A humble person would keep asking questions.
That's good to know.Often times questioning is not looked upon very highly here. To some it means that you are confused and not on a firm foundation.
Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 23 2008,03:22) Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 21 2008,04:24) Good morning, Theo. Quote I need to revisit my understanding of just what Gods love entails…Perhaps the necessity for correction,because of our stuborn stiff necked nature was the only option available
Very good point, brother. Love can look like discipline and correction. In fact we are told that our sonship is not even genuine unless we receive discipline. I have received much correction from the LORD, perhaps if nothing else, that is how I know I am his?However with that being said, when you discipline your child you do not discipline them unto death…..
Quote The level of brutality depicted in the OT is no more than the level of brutality we live with today
I agree with you here, however the brutality of the OT is credited to God himself.I certainly don't want you and other's to get the idea that I think the bible is useless. I do consider the bible to be a word of God. I didn't say THE word of God because I don't believe that the canon and God's mouth were closed at the same time. I respect those who believe it is the only word of God, I just would love it if they could respect my view (this seems a bit harder for some to do).
Love,
Mandy
Greetings Mandy….It is not my intention to deminish the obvious brutality in the OT,however,a good understanding of the circumstances that perpertrated Gods judgement is where the message lies….God gets involved in the affairs of men and uses wars among other means to punish and execute judgements….Our lives are the most precious possessions we have,we are commanded not to murder,which is willfull taking of life….God is not governed by the law,he is the law….He is the giver of life as well as the taker as he see fits….The bible is the inspired word of God and I am sure he uses other media to communicate his will,especially in the case of those that do not read and have no formal education…
OK, Theo, thanks for sharing your view.There are some Christians who have trouble with the fact that God is so murderous. I've read the OT and some of the “reasons” do not seem like good reasons at all. In other words, I would not punish my own children for such things.
But I am not God and his ways are above mine, right?
Love,
MandyQuote (david @ Aug. 23 2008,03:08) Quote The gospel is understood when one can reduce themselves to the reasoning capability of that of a child… Well, like a child, you must lose your pride. Children aren't proud. A proud person would listen to the illustration and pretend to understand it. A humble person would keep asking questions. Children too, love questions.
“keep asking, keep seeking, keep knocking.”
Also, Proverbs says to dig for the knowledge of Jehovah as if they were buried treasure. The effort required to understand these things doesn't appeal to everyone.
Greetings David……Amen to that,there you have have it, the route source of what alienates man from God…PRIDE…The very first sin….Every being wrestles with a pride,it manefests itself in the formative years and depending on the parenting skills of mommy and daddy it is cultivated along side of another human frailty none as selfishness…When one is able to arrest Pride and Selfishness we will be on our way to being children once again….Hi,
So we seem to have drifted from the choice of manuscripts.
Should we asssume those claimed to be oldest have the greatest validity even though they be few in number?
Mistakes in copying could have occurred at any stage.Hey Nick,
Thanks for bringing this back around – it really is a topic of interest to me.
What did they copy from? When did the originals go missing? What happened to them?
I acknowledge Nick's point about staying on-topic. Does anyone have the stomach for a pride thread? After all the parents of Olympic medalists we have seen on TV who have expressed their ongoing pride in the achievements of their children, I am curious about how this mean-spirited churlish Catholic anti-pride philosophy has invaded the normally anti-Catholic mindsets of people posting here.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 23 2008,08:36) I acknowledge Nick's point about staying on-topic. Does anyone have the stomach for a pride thread? After all the parents of Olympic medalists we have seen on TV who have expressed their ongoing pride in the achievements of their children, I am curious about how this mean-spirited churlish Catholic anti-pride philosophy has invaded the normally anti-Catholic mindsets of people posting here. Stuart
Greetings Stu…..There is nothing inherently wrong with taking a bow and acknowledging the extrodinary accomplishments of our atheletes and in a sense their parents should take a bow and wallow in the attention….The pride spoken of, is that of persons who feel superior to others and demonstrate it through arogants and selfishness….and I might add ,sometimes the selfishness is such ,that it manefests itself in violence….Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 24 2008,01:32) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 23 2008,08:36) I acknowledge Nick's point about staying on-topic. Does anyone have the stomach for a pride thread? After all the parents of Olympic medalists we have seen on TV who have expressed their ongoing pride in the achievements of their children, I am curious about how this mean-spirited churlish Catholic anti-pride philosophy has invaded the normally anti-Catholic mindsets of people posting here. Stuart
Greetings Stu…..There is nothing inherently wrong with taking a bow and acknowledging the extrodinary accomplishments of our atheletes and in a sense their parents should take a bow and wallow in the attention….The pride spoken of, is that of persons who feel superior to others and demonstrate it through arogants and selfishness….and I might add ,sometimes the selfishness is such ,that it manefests itself in violence….
And some here think it is a shame that the word 'gay' has been stolen from them. That is how I feel about the christian dictionary with the rotating definitions.If you want pride to mean thus, how about applying it to all those superior christians here who would case their fellow humans aside if they became convinced that their path to heaven would be shorter as a result? Could we apply the sin of pride to all those who tell others what to do based on their own dogma?
There would not be many atheists showing biblical 'pride' on that basis.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 24 2008,16:01) Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 24 2008,01:32) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 23 2008,08:36) I acknowledge Nick's point about staying on-topic. Does anyone have the stomach for a pride thread? After all the parents of Olympic medalists we have seen on TV who have expressed their ongoing pride in the achievements of their children, I am curious about how this mean-spirited churlish Catholic anti-pride philosophy has invaded the normally anti-Catholic mindsets of people posting here. Stuart
Greetings Stu…..There is nothing inherently wrong with taking a bow and acknowledging the extrodinary accomplishments of our atheletes and in a sense their parents should take a bow and wallow in the attention….The pride spoken of, is that of persons who feel superior to others and demonstrate it through arogants and selfishness….and I might add ,sometimes the selfishness is such ,that it manefests itself in violence….
And some here think it is a shame that the word 'gay' has been stolen from them. That is how I feel about the christian dictionary with the rotating definitions.If you want pride to mean thus, how about applying it to all those superior christians here who would case their fellow humans aside if they became convinced that their path to heaven would be shorter as a result? Could we apply the sin of pride to all those who tell others what to do based on their own dogma?
There would not be many atheists showing biblical 'pride' on that basis.
Stuart
Greetings Stu….My answer to you is a resounding YES !!
It is not my place to judge and in knowing that it is not to hard to grasp that ,we all fall short…In addition the term gay means just that to me (happy,joyous etc.) however if a certain group of individuals choose to indentify their lifestyle by their proclivities and they want to call it Gay it is their right….As a christian Iam not to judge,but,my education dictates that it is wrong….With the Computer in today's world it is so easy to get all the smear of sexuality you want. And so it is with the Gay's also.
Parents have the responsibility to keep their Children of those sited and block them. It is so sad that some just don't care it seems. All are to busy doing their own thing.
It really shows me that we are in the end times, it is even worse then the time of Sodom and Gomorrah.
That is the sign for us, but do our children hear it? Some, but IMO the majority do not.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Tiffany @ Sep. 02 2008,05:14) With the Computer in today's world it is so easy to get all the smear of sexuality you want. And so it is with the Gay's also.
Parents have the responsibility to keep their Children of those sited and block them. It is so sad that some just don't care it seems. All are to busy doing their own thing.
It really shows me that we are in the end times, it is even worse then the time of Sodom and Gomorrah.
That is the sign for us, but do our children hear it? Some, but IMO the majority do not.
Peace and Love Irene
What do you mean? Your post is a smear against gay people. You make it sound like there is something wrong but then you don't say what you think it is.Stuart
TV’s full of porn, blockings a good Idea, or I’ll just have to lock my child, away if he walks on the street and is exposed to posters,
If only in this world I have done all for him I can when! I have taught him not to feel guilt and shame over what is, that just pops up in front of him.
But to walk well, and know Good six never means you love a partner. tis destructive to the soulQuote (charity @ Sep. 03 2008,12:24) TV’s full of porn, blockings a good Idea, or I’ll just have to lock my child, away if he walks on the street and is exposed to posters,
If only in this world I have done all for him I can when! I have taught him not to feel guilt and shame over what is, that just pops up in front of him.
But to walk well, and know Good six never means you love a partner. tis destructive to the soul
Greetings Charity…..When good people are silent Evil triumphs, We allowed pornography to elevate from a shamefull position in society to a cherished right,and in doing so we have empowered the purveyors of pornography to turn our presumptive liberties into licence….In doing so an entire generation of children are being exposed and unfortunately there is not much we can do change it….IMOI would have said the fear of god is the beginning of ignorance. That is the lesson of the Dark Ages.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 06 2008,00:13) I would have said the fear of god is the beginning of ignorance. That is the lesson of the Dark Ages. Stuart
Greetings Stu….”Ignorance is Bliss “You are correct ignorance was the driving force in the dark ages however not the dominating force,otherwise we would not be where we are today…..Quote (theodorej @ Sep. 07 2008,02:19) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 06 2008,00:13) I would have said the fear of god is the beginning of ignorance. That is the lesson of the Dark Ages. Stuart
Greetings Stu….”Ignorance is Bliss “You are correct ignorance was the driving force in the dark ages however not the dominating force,otherwise we would not be where we are today…..
What do you mean?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 08 2008,00:29) Quote (theodorej @ Sep. 07 2008,02:19) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 06 2008,00:13) I would have said the fear of god is the beginning of ignorance. That is the lesson of the Dark Ages. Stuart
Greetings Stu….”Ignorance is Bliss “You are correct ignorance was the driving force in the dark ages however not the dominating force,otherwise we would not be where we are today…..
What do you mean?Stuart
Greetings Stu…..” The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom ” is found in the book of proverbs…(not that it really matters)….To fear God is to defer to him and afford him the respect he is worthy of,after all he is the creator of all that is….The term ignorance is bliss refers to the lack of certain knowledge that would tend to make you un happy…IMO
As for the dark ages you are correct ignorance reigned supreme and for the most part problems were solved with violence….
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