The manuscripts

[NickHassan]

Hi,
This thread is for believers.

[Not3in1]

Shaking head….

[NickHassan]

Hi Not3,
It is just so that KJ and his negativity should not interfere with discussion.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
The KJV is taken from the Majority manuscript texts.
These are not necessarily closer to the original writings.

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick……..Not only are there many bible translations , there are many conflicting Greek manuscripts that conflict with each other also> Translating into another language also causes many problems too, because the expressions are different in different languages. But i think over all they have done there best most of the time with some TRINITARIAN AND PREEXISTENCES influencing. Take for instance the simple word (FOR) it can be translated (BECAUSE OF) (THROUGH) (BY) . By interposing any of these in a sentence structure can change its meaning. There are many word like that and Trinitarians use the word that most supports their Doctrines, The use upper and lower case lettering to force meanings also, but the original text in the Greek were all written in Upper case lettering and there were no Commas in any of them, which can also alter the text.

But i believe with GOD Spirit we can get the understanding needed to make sense of the text. Here is an example of what i am talking about.

Years ago i was reading about the unjust Judge and it just did not make sense the it said “and will GOD not avenge His own elect, he terry long with them. You see if you read the over all parable it is showing that GOD will (NOT) terry long at all, so there seemed to be an obvious error there. That is when I began to check out words used in scriptures if the scripture did not make sense to me, So i checked out the word i know it should be <WILL), will GOD tarry long like the unjust judge did, and sure enough i found the word should have been translated Then the whole Parable made sense to me. This is Just an example, of one thing i over the years have found , we need to all be (CRITICAL) readers use the mind and Spirit GOD is supplying us with. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………….gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 15 2010,04:10)

Nick……..Not only are there many bible translations , there are many conflicting Greek manuscripts that conflict with each other also> Translating into another language also causes many problems too, because the expressions are different in different languages. But i think over all they have done there best most of the time with some TRINITARIAN AND PREEXISTENCES influencing. Take for instance the simple word (FOR) it can be translated (BECAUSE OF) (THROUGH) (BY) . By interposing any of these in a sentence structure can change its meaning. There are many word like that and Trinitarians use the word that most supports their Doctrines, The use upper and lower case lettering to force meanings also, but the original text in the Greek were all written in Upper case lettering and there were no Commas  in any of them, which can also alter the text. But i believe with GOD Spirit we can get the understanding needed to make sense of the text. Here is an example of what i am talking about. Years ago i was reading about the unjust Judge and it just did not make sense the it said “and will GOD not avenge His own elect, he terry long with them.  You see if you read the over all parable it is showing that GOD will (NOT) terry long at all, so there seemed to be an obvious error there. That is when I began to check out words used in scriptures if the scripture did not make sense to me, So i checked out the word i know it should be <WILL), will GOD tarry long like the unjust judge did, and sure enough i found the word should have been translated Then the whole Parable made sense to me. This is Just an example, of one thing i over the years have found , we need to all be (CRITICAL) readers use the mind and Spirit GOD is supplying us with. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………….gene

ignore the above, this is what i wrote don't know why it printed out like it did,

peace and love ……….Gene

[GeneBalthrop]

To All. I will try to rewrite the last portion again.

Years ago i was reading about the unjust Judge, and it did not make sense to me,where it said, “and will God not avenge His own elect, who cry unto him day and night, he terry long with them”. This just did not make sense , because the whole parable was showing GOD would take swift action and not be like the unjust Judge and put you off. So I started a Search on the word and sure enough i found it should have be rendered , another words, will God put you off like the unjust Judge did. This is Just one example of words that can change meaning of the text. IMO

Hopefully this will print out right>

peace and love to you all………..gene

[GeneBalthrop]

T8………Something is wrong with you Site the word (THOUGH) did not print out . I need editing rights ……………gene

[GeneBalthrop]

I will try again………….for the fourth time , Years ago i was reading about the parable of the unjust judge and it did not make sense to me where it said, “and will God not avenge his own elect who cry unto him day and night, i tell you He will avenge them speedily (though) he terry long with them”. The word (though) did not make sense to me being there and i reasoned it should be (will) instead and i began a search on the word (though) and found it should have been rendered (will) as many translations now do render it that way, and it fits the parable of Jesus comparing a Unjust Judge with a Just GOD.

Hope this prints out OK………………peace and love………………gene

[GeneBalthrop]

T8……It seem you can use (……) around a word, but you can't use

[NickHassan]

Hi,
There are no original writings from the apostles but only flawed copies called manuscripts.
From choices of manuscripts made for various reasons bibles are translated
Only the Spirit can help discern what was originally written.

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,06:24)

Hi, There are no original writings from the apostles but only flawed copies called manuscripts. From choices of manuscripts made for various reasons bibles are translated Only the Spirit can help discern what was originally written.

Hi Nick,

Christian consensus are how “MOST ALL” English Bible translations are produced…
And Christian consensus is how we have the 66 books in “The Bible” as well today!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
So the church of the world is fit to make such choices?

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
CHRISTIAN CONSENSUS says that Jesus is not the Son of God but God is a trinity.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,06:24)

Hi, There are no original writings from the apostles but only flawed copies called manuscripts. From choices of manuscripts made for various reasons bibles are translated Only the Spirit can help discern what was originally written.

nick

you are totaly right,it is God who has made posible that we have today all the scriptures available to us,but to understand the scriptures truth it take the true spirit;

Heb 12:14 Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

so it is important to make changes in our lives to become holy,
this we have to do,

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,07:48)

Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,07:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,06:24) Hi, There are no original writings from the apostles but only flawed copies called manuscripts. From choices of manuscripts made for various reasons bibles are translated Only the Spirit can help discern what was originally written. Hi Nick, Christian consensus are how “MOST ALL” English Bible translations are produced… And Christian consensus is how we have the 66 books in “The Bible” as well today! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi ED, So the church of the world is fit to make such choices?

Hi Nick,

Do you deny history?

Ed J

[Elizabeth]

Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,23:23)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,07:48) Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,07:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,06:24) Hi, There are no original writings from the apostles but only flawed copies called manuscripts. From choices of manuscripts made for various reasons bibles are translated Only the Spirit can help discern what was originally written. Hi Nick, Christian consensus are how “MOST ALL” English Bible translations are produced… And Christian consensus is how we have the 66 books in “The Bible” as well today! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi ED, So the church of the world is fit to make such choices? Hi Nick, Do you deny history? Ed J

What you should question in stead is accuracy.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,23:23)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,07:48) Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,07:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,06:24) Hi, There are no original writings from the apostles but only flawed copies called manuscripts. From choices of manuscripts made for various reasons bibles are translated Only the Spirit can help discern what was originally written. Hi Nick, Christian consensus are how “MOST ALL” English Bible translations are produced… And Christian consensus is how we have the 66 books in “The Bible” as well today! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi ED, So the church of the world is fit to make such choices? Hi Nick, Do you deny history? Ed J

Hi ED,
History and consensus are no justifications for apostasy.
Every man stands or falls by his own choices.

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2010,05:48)

Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,23:23) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,07:48) Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,07:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,06:24) Hi, There are no original writings from the apostles but only flawed copies called manuscripts. From choices of manuscripts made for various reasons bibles are translated Only the Spirit can help discern what was originally written. Hi Nick, Christian consensus are how “MOST ALL” English Bible translations are produced… And Christian consensus is how we have the 66 books in “The Bible” as well today! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi ED, So the church of the world is fit to make such choices? Hi Nick, Do you deny history? Ed J Hi ED, History and consensus are no justifications for apostasy. Every man stands or falls by his own choices.

Hi:

Since it is God who wrote the book through his people, if there is something questionable in the scriptures, can we not ask Him if He said that which is question?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (942767 @ April 16 2010,06:19)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2010,05:48) Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,23:23) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,07:48) Quote (Ed J @ April 15 2010,07:15) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,06:24) Hi, There are no original writings from the apostles but only flawed copies called manuscripts. From choices of manuscripts made for various reasons bibles are translated Only the Spirit can help discern what was originally written. Hi Nick, Christian consensus are how “MOST ALL” English Bible translations are produced… And Christian consensus is how we have the 66 books in “The Bible” as well today! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi ED, So the church of the world is fit to make such choices? Hi Nick, Do you deny history? Ed J Hi ED, History and consensus are no justifications for apostasy. Every man stands or falls by his own choices. Hi: Since it is God who wrote the book through his people, if there is something questionable in the scriptures, can we not ask Him if He said that which is question? Love in Christ, Marty

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first have truth in your heart ,i mean truth of God ,walk in Holiness with him and you should understand enough to make the wrongs right.

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