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Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2007,08:32) Hi Guys,
You are wandering far from the path of revealed truth in your speculations.
Hi Nick, so what's your take on the subject?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 19 2007,01:47) michales….> i thimk the man of sin is not a real person at all but a false image of Jesus created by the idology of the trinitarian teachings which changes our concept of Jesus being a flesh and blood man to the Almight God Himself.
i think if we read 2 thes 2 very carefully we can see by what is said that it relates to a Lie about Jesus which he himself will destroy at his return.
Hi K,
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;To start with says he is a man.
I do not see room to declare that it is not a man but an image of a man.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2007,08:50) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 19 2007,01:47) michales….> i thimk the man of sin is not a real person at all but a false image of Jesus created by the idology of the trinitarian teachings which changes our concept of Jesus being a flesh and blood man to the Almight God Himself.
i think if we read 2 thes 2 very carefully we can see by what is said that it relates to a Lie about Jesus which he himself will destroy at his return.
Hi K,
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;To start with says he is a man.
I do not see room to declare that it is not a man but an image of a man.
So who is this man of sin?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2007,09:10) Hi K,
The term only appears once so clarifying it is not easy.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and *with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image*. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The beast and false prophet are taken out of the way, which leaves Satan.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.
2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders.
Kenrch….Nick is looking for anything that can disqualify anything I have said. Rather it makes sence or not, He does not look at the whole picture be but zero's in on just a part as he does other subjects. I would go into detail and show him where it could Just be a Image of a Man, but he still won't get it. thanks…ken
Nick….Does it not say God made us in His image, are we not man.
anyone can make an image of a man, animal, tree, cross, do you even know what an image is. Itsn't it a reflection of somthing rather Physical or spiritual and an image of Jesus(as a God) is creating a picture of a man as GOD i.e. the man of sin thats why it say's it's the Lie .
I you have a better view express it.Nick…quite playing word games
man is an Image of GOD. because God made him that way. and all men are images of God also. But an image is Not the real thing it is a copy or refelection or mirror of somthing. And if that Image is called the original thing it is a Lie, Just as the Man of sin Is a LIe about Jesus being very God Himself. I Maintain the man of sin is not a real person, it's THE LIE that Jesus is GOD> read the whole text dealing with the sujbect and stop looking for some reason to prove me wrong and yourself right.
Hi Gene ,
Show me where it says the man of sin is not a man but an image
and we can work from there.You have presented this teaching and should not be angry it is tested against the word of God surely?
Nick…. I have given a complete writing on the subject go back an read it and if you have a better Idea who the MAN OF SIN IS show us, were are all waiting to see your brillance. thanks… gene
Nick …what make you think i haven't a proven foundation .Have you read my conclusions or my reasons for what i have put forth to see if it makes any sense. But then it wouldn't make any difference if you did read them. You have proven to me and others you are to compile all the scriptures that deal with a subject and get a reasonable conclusion. You seam to have tunnel vision like a person who can't see the forest because of the trees.
Nick…show me where it say (JESUS CHRIST' FLESH IS THE WORD) you seen to build on unsuported and unproven foundations yourself. In fact in John 1:1 the word Jesus is not at all in the text. But you seam to take liberties with the text don't you. So if I were you I would not talk about other having unproven foundations.
Hi Gene,
It is you who would not accept Jesus is the Word because you said the word is not flesh.
So you need to see if your ideas fit with all the other things Jesus said about himself. None of the other things he said about himself were flesh either. If you can see that they are the same then you argument against Jesus being the word has no foundation.Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jesus became one with the Word.
Joh 17:21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
The Father was IN Jesus and Jesus was IN the Father. We should be ONE with each other and the Father and the Son.
Kenrch…..Ken I full believe Jesus spoke God's words to us and GOD The Father was in Jesus reconciling the world to Himself through Jesus. i have no problem with that, but when people make the messenger the message when he plainly showed he wasn't himself those words he was speaking and those words came from another source other then him, that's when I take issue. The glorification of the messenger to the level of GOD, by saying the words were His is robbing GOD. And while we are to be one with the Father and Jesus we are not to be them or anyone else either. If I went around portraying myself as Jesus or God that would be a LIE because I am neither of them, and while I should and hopefully am one with them both in agreement, none the less I am not them. We all need to realize there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD and thats
GOD's WORD. And Jesus is the Medeator but the medeator is not the person he represents no matter how much the mederator agrees with the one who sent Him. Thats my Point.
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