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Hi Ken:
Quote Mt 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.1Jo 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.God Bless
Quote (942767 @ July 22 2007,11:44) Hi Ken: Quote Mt 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.1Jo 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.God Bless
94 that's what I always do. I don't just accept anything because it seems right
.to all…..what i am saying is the Man of Sin is not the pope or any man it is the Lie that Jesus is GOD, this lie is the main doctrine of the false church which is the RCC and her daughters the Prodestant churches as well, and if we think this man of sin is yet to come on the scene we could be caught unaware. at Christ's return. and a lot of the prophesies of Revealation have already been fullfilled we need to be ready, we might be closer to Jesus return then we think.
thanks …gene
gene, very very close,for he is at the door,dont be caught unaware dont wait for things to be fullfilled that have allready come to pass,but be ready,for this is the end,we all need to repent to him that we may be found worthy.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 22 2007,14:06) to all…..what i am saying is the Man of Sin is not the pope or any man it is the Lie that Jesus is GOD, this lie is the main doctrine of the false church which is the RCC and her daughters the Prodestant churches as well, and if we think this man of sin is yet to come on the scene we could be caught unaware. at Christ's return. and a lot of the prophesies of Revealation have already been fullfilled we need to be ready, we might be closer to Jesus return then we think. thanks …gene
Gene I know what you are saying but someone has to teach the lie. The man of sin is the teacher of the lie.Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.This is the “other gospel” but is not another. Jesus the Son of man is not God no more than we are God. Who pushes this “other gospel YET is not another”.. is it not a man of sin?
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Number of a man that teaches the lie of his father the devil. This is the man of sin. The man of sin is not the lie itself. The lie is the doctrine of the man of sin who according to scripture has a number.
You are right the temple of God is not a building. The lie is in those of the man of sin. They accept the man of sin's doctrineS therefore making him weather they know it or not their God by not following the doctrines of the real God.
Come out of her MY people. These are they who have another gospel BUT IS NOT ANOTHER. They are deceived believing the lie that is in them taught by the man of sin. What is against God but the man of sin , sin by definition of scripture is breaking of God's law. This man of sin teaches sin and another Gospel that is against God.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Rev 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.Hi Gene and Ken:
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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 22 2007,14:06)
to all…..what i am saying is the Man of Sin is not the pope or any man it is the Lie that Jesus is GOD, this lie is the main doctrine of the false church which is the RCC and her daughters the Prodestant churches as well, and if we think this man of sin is yet to come on the scene we could be caught unaware. at Christ's return. and a lot of the prophesies of Revealation have already been fullfilled we need to be ready, we might be closer to Jesus return then we think.thanks …gene
Gene I know what you are saying but someone has to teach the lie. The man of sin is the teacher of the lie.
I agree with Ken's statement. The “Man of Sin” is the teacher of the lie.
God Bless
Quote (kenrch @ July 22 2007,12:26) Quote (942767 @ July 22 2007,11:44) Hi Ken: Quote Mt 24:11
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.1Jo 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.God Bless
94 that's what I always do. I don't just accept anything because it seems right .
Hi Ken:I am glad that you are not accepting what someone says at face value just because it seems right. Search the scriptures with prayer asking God to reveal the truth to you so that you won't be deceived even as I intend to do.
The point that I was trying to make by this is that the Pope is one among many false prophets that are in the world, but based on my understanding of the scriptures, he is not the “False Prophet” of Revelation 13. I could be wrong, and if so, I ask my God to correct me.
God Bless
kenrch…..what i am saying is the man of sin is not a real person at all, but a LIE that creates another GOD, and there by creating the man of sin, it turns Jesus a man into a God and there by creates the man of sin.
what your talking about is who's pushing the man of sin idology as being the man of sin, while indeed who ever pushes that idology is lying, and decieved they themselfes are not (THE) definit article , Man of sin. You have to remember the definite article makes it only one,a particular person, not a whole line of lying popes and teachers.
and your refrence to the Beast as the whore is wrong, the beast repersents a world power like Rome was and the whore is the false church that was controlling the beast, when the pope got control of the Roman Empire it was the whore riding the beast, the rider controls the beast which is the ruling power. and the deadly wound i believe was when Nepoliaon destroyed the power of the RCC to rule the empire, that started the seperation of church and state, and that wound may be heald, it look like even in this country, we are slowly moving in that direction religions are geting more and more control and the seperation of church and state in getting less and less and if the churches get control of government here the whore will be riding the beast again and controlling it. It could happen even here. Peace to you….gene
Quote (michaels @ July 22 2007,16:49) gene, very very close,for he is at the door,dont be caught unaware dont wait for things to be fullfilled that have allready come to pass,but be ready,for this is the end,we all need to repent to him that we may be found worthy.
micheals……I think you are right we may be a lot closer than people think, much of revealations has already happened. We can began to think because this and that hasn't happened yet and get relaxed and be caught asleep when he comes, we need to keep oil in our flasks. by looking with expectation of that time and remain ready at all times.peace to you……gene
942767……You are not quoting the scripture right, it doesn't say the MEN of sin, but the MAN of sin who takes HIS seat in the Temple of GOD, this isn't the pope, he's not in the temple of God, as the text indicates, there is only one who has taken his seat there and that is Jesus, so i aferm that the text is reference Him, as he is being worshiped today as very God represents the Man of Sin, and while i agree with you that many popes and false teachers, do preach the Lie, i am talking what the represent, it represents Jesus as a God and therefore is Making him into the Man of sin. This fits all the context of the wording.
thanks…..geneRev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and *with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image*. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Ok, there is the dragon and the beast, and the false prophet.
Then there is the beast and false prophet that are thrown into the lake of fire.
THEN after the melinnium, after Satan is deafeted for the last time, he is thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.
Ouestion: Where is the antichrist? Where is this person that Satan enters? Could the false prophet and the antichrist/man of sin, be the same person?
Unless Satan is mentioned and NOT the person he enters. In that case Satan is the man of sin being the originator of sin and the lie. ummmmm
kenrch……You are right about Satan creating the man of sin, idology
he has alway's tried to make more then one God, remember at the garden when he said ” God knows you will be lioke Him knowing good and evil, and again where its said I will asend up and be like the Most High, He is jealous of God.I do agree He is the author of the LIE>…..thanks gene
Kenrch…..Look up on the internet; the Sir Issac Newton project and see what he said about prophetic symbols it very interesting and also a man named Mede. Very few people realize Newton did more on the Bible then any thing else. Einstine said he through Newton was the smartest man the ever lived. check it out I think you will lke it.
…geneQuote (kenrch @ July 23 2007,11:21) Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and *with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image*. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Ok, there is the dragon and the beast, and the false prophet.
Then there is the beast and false prophet that are thrown into the lake of fire.
THEN after the melinnium, after Satan is deafeted for the last time, he is thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.
Ouestion: Where is the antichrist? Where is this person that Satan enters? Could the false prophet and the antichrist/man of sin, be the same person?
Unless Satan is mentioned and NOT the person he enters. In that case Satan is the man of sin being the originator of sin and the lie. ummmmm
Hi Ken:Getting off work and so I will not respond here. I have read your post and will pray asking God for revelation, and hopefully, we will have the answers to these questions.
God Bless
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 23 2007,12:08) Kenrch…..Look up on the internet; the Sir Issac Newton project and see what he said about prophetic symbols it very interesting and also a man named Mede. Very few people realize Newton did more on the Bible then any thing else. Einstine said he through Newton was the smartest man the ever lived. check it out I think you will lke it.
…gene
Gene,I did that already. Was it you who gave it or kejonn? I don't remember
. But thanks anyway.Quote (kenrch @ July 23 2007,11:21) Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and *with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image*. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Ok, there is the dragon and the beast, and the false prophet.
Then there is the beast and false prophet that are thrown into the lake of fire.
THEN after the melinnium, after Satan is deafeted for the last time, he is thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.
Ouestion: Where is the antichrist? Where is this person that Satan enters? Could the false prophet and the antichrist/man of sin, be the same person?
Unless Satan is mentioned and NOT the person he enters. In that case Satan is the man of sin being the originator of sin and the lie. ummmmm
Hi Ken:Quote Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. The devil is a spirit, and I believe that the dragon is symbolic of him, but the foregoing verse states that an unclean spirit is coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and it could be that the Anti-Christ is the dragon in this scripture. The beast is the entity, but the beast has a leader, the “Man of Sin”.
Quote Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and *with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image*. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. The following verse shows what God did with the dragon which again may be the Anti-Christ. He deceived those who were alive at the coming of the Lord, and it appears that he will deceive the dead who will be resurrected after the 1000 year reign.
Quote Revelation 20
20:1
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.Quote 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
20:8
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.Quote Ouestion: Where is the antichrist? Where is this person that Satan enters? Could the false prophet and the antichrist/man of sin, be the same person? It appears that the Anti-Christ is shown as the dragon, and no, I don't believe that the False Phrophet and the “man of sin” are the same person.
I believe that the following scripture is relative to the Anti-Christ:
Quote Re 9:1
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.Re 9:2
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.Re 9:11
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.Re 11:7
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.Re 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was *, and is not, and yet is.I believe that the following scripture is relative to the False Prophet:
13:11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
13:12
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein * * to worship the first beast, whose * * deadly wound was healed.
13:13
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
13:14
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
13:15
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would * not worship the image of the beast should be killed *.
13:16
And he causeth all, both small and great *, rich and poor *, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand *, or in their foreheads:
13:17
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count t
he number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.Quote Rev. 13:12 states that he causes the people to worship the “first beast”.
You say:
Unless Satan is mentioned and NOT the person he enters. In that case Satan is the man of sin being the originator of sin and the lie. ummmmm
The “man of sin” is the personification of the devil. But he is a real person IMHO.
God Bless
Hi 94,
Satan is the dragon according to scripture so I do not think we can depart from that.Rev 12
” 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2007,10:34) Hi 94,
Satan is the dragon according to scripture so I do not think we can depart from that.Rev 12
” 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
Hi Nick:What you say here is true. But the Lord called Judas a devil and he called Peter Satan for example.
How do you understand Rev. 16:13 when it says that an “unclean spirit” is coming out of the mouth of dragon? The devil is a spirit. He speaks through his messengers. At least that is the way that I understand him to speak.
Please give me your understanding. I am just trying to understand all of this. Your input is welcome.
God Bless
Quote (942767 @ July 25 2007,11:54) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 25 2007,10:34) Hi 94,
Satan is the dragon according to scripture so I do not think we can depart from that.Rev 12
” 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
Hi Nick:What you say here is true. But the Lord called Judas a devil and he called Peter Satan for example.
How do you understand Rev. 16:13 when it says that an “unclean spirit” is coming out of the mouth of dragon? The devil is a spirit. He speaks through his messengers. At least that is the way that I understand him to speak.
Please give me your understanding. I am just trying to understand all of this. Your input is welcome.
God Bless
Hi 94,
Yes but no man is called a dragon is he?
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