The man of sin

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 20 2007,15:11)

942767…..yes it's the man of sin i doint think i ever said it was men of sin.
Paul said he would come from the midest and the idology of Jesus did come up from the midest of the two religious systems of the Roman Empire the Airus teachings and
Anthenaus teaching Arius said Jesus was not a God and he was a Created being, while Anthenaus Jesus was Fully God and introduced the word (homoousious) GOD from GOD, and when Emperor Constantine agreed to it and made “Christanty” the sate relegion the idology of Jesus being very GOD became established. and that when the man of sin was fully realized as a “christain doctrine” this was (THE LIE) thatn Jesus will destroy at his return, thats why i believe the Man of Sin is not a real person but a lie about Jesus Himself, think about it, it fits.,,thank….gene

Hi Gene:

While I respect your opinion, I do believe that the “man of sin” is a real person for the reasons I have given and also, because the Jews are expecting their Messiah.

God Bless

July 20, 2007 at 11:16 pm#60924

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042767……> my question would be then why would Paul say that God would send a strong Delusion in order for them to believe
(THE LIE) notice he did not say to believe the lier which would make it a person, but he said (THE LIE) what else could fit, except it's a lie about a person and i maintain it's the lie about Jesus being Very God himself which is the main core of all Catholic and Prodistant teachings. The whole prophesy is around a man who Sit's in the temple of God being Desplayed as God, no one else is in the temple of God But Jesus and isn't he being bisplayed as Very God Himself.
thank for your input …..gene

July 20, 2007 at 11:49 pm#60930

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The whole prophesy is around a man who Sit's in the temple of God being Desplayed as God, no one else is in the temple of God But Jesus and isn't he being bisplayed as Very God Himself.

Gene don't you think that the Pope sits in the heart of those who follow him? The Jesus they preach GOD is the man of sin? Didn't the Catholic church [Pope] change God's law? Doesn't the Pope claim to be God on earth? He is called the “Most Holy Father”. Doesn't he wear a hat/crown (On certian occasions) with letters that add up to 666?

Is this Pope THE MAN! Who knows? But I doubt it they pick this one because he's old and won't last too long. They said the last Pope was too young and lasted too long.

The antichrist is a system of things headed up by a person who holds that office, the Pope? How about a Jewish Pope?

July 21, 2007 at 12:12 am#60939

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kenrch…..If you went up to the pope and said are you the almighty God he would probely laugh and say no, but if you said is Jesus The Almighty God he would say yes.
It show's in the original that the temple is the real temple of God not a false temple and it say's to take his Seat as God and who is now seated at the right Hand of GOD is it not Jesus himself and is He Not being portrayed as very God . John stress it was a Lie not a Lier which would indicate at real person, but no he said (THE LIE) its not na person it a lie about a person and that person isn Jesus himself who will abolish (why abolish it) that's what you would do with a lie but if it were a person, he would destory Him not abolish Him the word structre shows it to be a LIE not a person.
thank…gene

July 21, 2007 at 1:12 am#60951

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 21 2007,11:16)

Hi Gene:

I am not totally sure that I understand the problem that you are presenting.

The lie of course is that a man will sit in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

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2 Thes 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

We know that Jesus did not say that he was God, as some teach that he did.

We have the following scriptures that may relate to this event.

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24:23
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
24:25
Behold, I have told you before.
24:26
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The reason that Paul says that God sends this delusion is:

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2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED.
2:11
AND FOR THIS CAUSE GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE:
2:12
THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, BUT HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

I don't know if I have addressed your concerns regarding this issue. I hope that I have helped.

God Bless you brother

July 21, 2007 at 2:18 am#60955

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 21 2007,12:12)

HA! The first thing the Pope would want me to do is bow down and kiss his ring! :laugh: And perhaps call him the most holy father.

Jesus is the man of Sin? I'll have to put this one on the back burner

IHN&L,

Ken

July 21, 2007 at 3:29 am#60964

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kenrch……No I didn't say Jesus was the Man of sin, but the
false image of him being GOD, was . The Man of Sin is not a real person. It is what desplayes Jesus as a God a lie about Jesus that creates this man of sin. Jesus had nothing to do with it came from the apostasied church. This Lie is the thing that keeps the idea of the trinity alive,and it is the glue that hold the false church together.

i gess i need to better explain what i mean. but i am not saying it is
Jesus, but a lie about him, that he will abolish at his return.

thank ken…….gene

July 21, 2007 at 12:10 pm#60983

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 21 2007,15:29)

i gess i need to better explain what i mean. but i am not saying it is
Jesus, but a lie about him, that he will abolish at his return.

thank ken…….gene

I understand what you are saying and it does make sense to a point but aren't we told that it's the number of a man? The man who teaches the Trinty, Christ being God, is the Pope ummm.
Well I know that the Pope is mixed up in this some kind of way, which way I'm not sure. Man of sin or “lawlessness”? Changed the sabbath day and put his own day in there that people keep. Teaches the Trinty. The RUC (Roman Universal Church) the Harlet and then their is the office of their god the Pope. Some say the Pope is the false prophet. What's your take on the Pope?

It is the RUC and the Pope that teaches the Trinity.

July 21, 2007 at 1:49 pm#60988

kejonn

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And just recently, the Pope said there was no salvation outside of the RCC. Since this is totally unbiblical, on could say that he is putting himself in the place of God by putting new requirements on salvation. Perhaps the whole RCC is the “Man of Sin”.

July 21, 2007 at 2:32 pm#60989

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This I know and I believe evryone knows that the Pope is envolved some kind of way. The only way to God is through him! WOW! That's pretty strong evidence, I think! How about you Brother Gene?

God bless you kejonn

July 21, 2007 at 3:31 pm#60994

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Kejonn and kenrch…..the cathloic church and the prodestants both proclain as their main doctrine that Jesus is very God himself and this i believe is (the lie)remember the definite article (the) is used it's just not any lie but a paticular lie that is being spoken of, and it has to deal with a person who truely is in the true temple of God , not a false temple like the vatigan in Rome . you are right as far as who has brought forth and brodcasts the lie but the lie it self is that Jesus is God . it all fits 2thes2. This Lie is what corrupted the church in the beginning and brought about the apostasy spoken of by Paul and it was starting at the time of the apostles and came to full view at the council of Neceia in 325 A.D. and has been the main teaching of the fallen church every sense it their main doctrine.

July 21, 2007 at 4:38 pm#61000

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Hi Gene, Ken, &KJ:

My understanding is that the RCC is the Babyloinian Whore, the Mother of Harlots, but not the “man of sin”. I have pasted the following for your consideration:

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Revelation 17
17:1
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
17:2
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
17:3
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
17:4
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
17:6
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
17:7
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel ? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was *, and is not, and yet is.
17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth *.

God Bless

July 21, 2007 at 6:21 pm#61004

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Quote (942767 @ July 22 2007,04:38)

Hi Gene, Ken, &KJ:

My understanding is that the RCC is the Babyloinian Whore, the Mother of Harlots, but not the “man of sin”. I have pasted the following for your consideration:

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God Bless

She IS! But what about her leader? Some say false prophet, some say antichrist. What say YE?

July 21, 2007 at 6:59 pm#61009

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to all…… THE MAN OF SIN

who is this man of sin spoken of by the Apostle Paul in the second Book of Thesealonians, who some think is the antichrist spoken of nby the apostle John. Some believe Him to the beast or false prophet spoken of in the book of revelation, that is yet to come. Many prophesy his comming and what it will be like when he appears and the things that will take place at that time. Millions of sencere people believe these self profesed prophets. But could they be weong, could the be misleading and decieving people into believing that certain events have to happen and cause them to nbe caught unaware at the return of Jesus Christ our Lord. Let's go through the chapter and verses of 2Thes2 that deals with this subject of the man of sin.
2 Thessalonians, chapter 2

” now brehtren, concerning the comming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to him, we as you not to be soon shaken in mind or disturbed, neither by spirit nor by word nor by letters as if from us the the day of Christ has come. Let not anyone decieve you by any means; because if not comes the apostasy first”. (the falling away from the true faith inthe none and only true God). Paul here is saying the first thing that has to happen was this falling away, but what can be over looked is that this fallen away process is gradual and was already and was allready starting to form even at the time of the original apostles. It was working in an idology which was forming an Image of another God by turning Jesus who was a flesh and blood man into very God Himself which in turn was forming the man of sin.

“and is revealed the man of sin”, notice both things are happen at the same time , the apostasy and the revealation of the man of sin, they are connected events, as one developes so does the other.
“the son of predition who is opposing and exalting himself over everything being called god or object of worship, so that he in the Temple of GOD as GOD to sit down, displaying himself that he is GOD”. Question who is now setting in the true temple of God?, is it not Jesus Christ and is he not being displayed as very God Himself, notice also the word god is written in the lower case letters in the translated Greek text, but when it comes to where he sits and what he sits as its in upper case letters. We use lower case god to indicate any thing that is not a true God, but we use upper case God it indicate the real God. And notice when it comes to where He sit and what he sits as it's in upper case letters this inddicates the true place and the true God. So this could not indicate anyone else but Jesus himself. But it's not the real Jesus it's an Image of him created by a false fallen christanity, (THE APOSTASY), which turns the real Jesus into GOD himself, and notice it say's he is being (DESPLAYED) as God, it dosen't say he is saying he is God, But being desplayed as God. This false image of Jesus was not created by him or the apostles or any of the true saints of God. The apostasy is the falling away from theone and only true God and was already at work at the time of the original apostles. That's why Paul said the mistery of lawlessness was already at work at the time of the apostles. Creating another God is breaking of God's Law He said “you shall have no other God besides Me”. It's an act of idolarty to create another God and it breakes His law. Now continuning in verse 5 “do you not remember yet being with you these things i was telling you and now the holding back you know”, > Here Paul was simply saying what has not happend yet, that the man of sin hadn't appeard on the scene yet, Because the apostles were holding back the false teaching from infecting the church, but the idology was already trying to form that's why the apostle John said there were already many antichrists even in his day, actually it wouldn't fully take place for another 300 years,” for to be revealed in His own time”, in other words he would show up at the allotted time.,”for the mystery is already at work of lawlessness”; here again Paul shows this false teaching was already forming, Notice whay ever this mystery was it would be breaking of God's Law and it was already starting to form,
“only the holding back now until from the (MIDST) he comes”;Paul is saying from the midst of fallen christanity (Apostasy) would appear the man of sin. Even at the time of Paul there were some beginning to turn Jesus from a flesh and blood man into very God himself, this false teaching finally emerged as the DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY and took place at the council of Nicea in 325 A.D. when came forth from the MIDST of the two ” christain” belief system of the Arian's and the Athanaian's the idea that Jesus was (HOMOOUSIOS) or GOD from GOD, a word brought into effect by the pagan Emperor Constantine himself.<" and then will be revealed {made known} the lawless one whom the Lord will consume with the breath of his mouth and will abolish by his appearing of his comming"; why by the breath of his maouth?,because this lawless one in not an actual person it is an idology which creates a false inage, A LIE about Jesus Christ himself that is why Jesus will abolish it with the breath of his mouth in other words by his words at his coming, in 1 John 4, it says," every spirit which confess Jesus Christ in flesh having come is of God and every spirit which does not confess Jesus Christ in flesh having come is NOT of God. Why does John tie Jesus coming as not being precieved as a flesh event to the antichrist?, it was becaues there were those were saying he was God instead of a man or as some say the incarnate God, or Man God;" which you have heard that is coming, and now is in the world already". Yes this idology was aready satrting to form and this backs up what paul said. There were already meany trying to turn our view of Jesus as a flesh and blood man to very God even at that time, "He whose coming is acording to the working of Satan", Satan's work is the work of deception, so this false image of Jesus would be the work of Satan,"with all power", Emperor Constantine was ruler of Rome which controlled most all the words power, "and signs and wonders of falsehood", Constantine said he saw a vision in the sky of a cross and was told by a local bishop tha if he painted the sign of the cross on his army's shields he would win the up coming battle which he did and also won the battle which lead to him becoming Emperor Maximus of all the Roman Empire, and he declared "Christanity as the state relegion and their symble became the sign of the cross.:" and in all deception of unrighteousness among the one pershing", (why) "because love of truth not they recieve for them to be saved. and because of this GOD will send to them the working of delusion in order for them to believe (THE LIE), so that they should be Judged all the ones not believing truth but taking ploaesure in unrighteousness ", Notice it say's to beleive (THE LIE), the definite article (the) means it was any lie but a paticular lie they were believing in and it is the lie about Jesus being very God Himself. The pinnacle of all faith is to believe that their is only one God, didn't Jesus say Thou art the (ONLY) true God, thats all there ever was and thats all their ever will be . A God who said Isa 44:24, " I am the Lord who made all things, who (ALONE) stretched out the heavens, who spresd out the earth by (MYSELF)", if we turn our hearts to Him as the only God< He will give us understanding to walk whith him and understand truth. God allowed this false mane to be applied to Jesus and Jesus will Himself abolish it at his coming.

the reason i thing this is so important for those who have the spirit of truth is to prevent us from thinking all kinds of other things has to happen the antichrist and the beast & ect, and get caught unaward at the return of Jesus……

Peace to you all…gene

July 21, 2007 at 7:02 pm#61010

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Quote (942767 @ July 22 2007,04:38)

Hi Gene, Ken, &KJ:

My understanding is that the RCC is the Babyloinian Whore, the Mother of Harlots, but not the “man of sin”. I have pasted the following for your consideration:

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God Bless

She IS! But what about her leader? Some say false prophet, some say antichrist. What say YE?

Hi Ken:

The definition of Anti-Christ is someone who denies the Father and the Son, and so I do not see how that fits their leader, but he is a false prophet by virtue of the statements that he is making relative to salvation. He also made some comments about Islam which infuriated them, and what I am seeing through this discusssion and Revelation 17 is that God will allow the beast and those ten nations who will ally themselves with him to punish the Harlot, and then he (God) will intervene and punish those who have come against Christians and Jews as Ezekiel 37,38, 39 and Zechariah 14 indicates.

This is kind of the repeat of what happened when Judah went into Babylonian captivity by Nebuchadnezzar.

Let's look at some scriptures in Revelation 17-18:

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17:11
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
17:13
These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
17:15
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
17:16
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17:17
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree * (5658), and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
17:18
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth * over the kings of the earth.

Could be that Vatican City will literally be going up in smoke.

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Revelation 18
18:1
And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
18:2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
18:3
For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
18:5
For her sins have reached (5656) unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
18:6
Reward her even as she * rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
18:7
How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
18:8
Therefore * * shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
18:9
And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
18:11
And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
18:12
The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
18:13
And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
18:14
And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
18:15
The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
18:16
And saying, Alas, alas, that great cit
y, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
18:17
For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
18:18
And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
18:19
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
18:20
Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged * you on her.
18:21
And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
18:22
And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no * * craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

I believe that this is what I am seeing even as we are discussing this topic.

God Bless

July 21, 2007 at 7:06 pm#61012

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942767….You are right the RCC is the Great whore the mother harlots and abomnations of the earth. but the man of sin is what they espoues as their main teaching it that Jesus is a GOD and this creates the man of sin. it's a false image of Jesus.

July 21, 2007 at 7:36 pm#61015

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Thanks Gene and 94!

Gene,

I believe this goes along with what you are saying, don't you?

Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

94,
Yes I know that the RUC is the harlet. And I think you are right that the Pope is probably the false prophet.

July 21, 2007 at 8:58 pm#61018

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Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Satan
Beast
False Prophet

Three unclean spirits? The trinty?

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and *with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image*. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Beast
False Prophet

*These were taken before the First resurrection. It is the false prophet that does miracles before the best.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Seems that the Pope is part of the second beast that looks like a lamb (Pope) but speaks as a Dragon (Government).

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Satan (devil)
Beast
False Prophet

Where is the man of sin?

There is no man of sin only Satan? Ummmmm?

July 21, 2007 at 10:10 pm#61033

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Thanks Gene and 94!

Gene,

I believe this goes along with what you are saying, don't you?

94,
Yes I know that the RUC is the harlet. And I think you are right that the Pope is probably the false prophet.

Hi Ken:

I didn't say that he was “the false prophet”. I said he was a “false prophet”.

The false prophet in Revelation 13 has two horns which indicates two heads:

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13:11
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
13:12
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein * * to worship the first beast, whose * * deadly wound was healed.
13:13
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
13:14
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
13:15
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would * not worship the image of the beast should be killed *.
13:16
And he causeth all, both small and great *, rich and poor *, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand *, or in their foreheads:
13:17
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

My understanding is that this is Islam with the “two heads”
being the Sunni and the Shia. They look like a lamb meaning they appear to be submitted to God, but speak as a dragon, meaning that are lying. As you see, the miracles that they do are “lying wonders”. They will cause people not to believe the truth of the gospel because of what they preach.

God Bless

July 21, 2007 at 11:13 pm#61035