The Man from heaven

[GeneBalthrop]

Wakeup……………You are speculating, when you say he put on his old body, Scripture does not say that, but instead shows he was resurrected from the dead in his body he had, and Jesus himself said he was NOT A SPIRIT, because a SPIRIT does NOT HAVE A BODY as he said he had.

You have not one scripture that say Jesus was turned into a Spirit Being of any kind Wakeup. If there exist one please post it. Not only that but not one scripture that shown any previous activity of Jesus before his berth as a man on this earth.

Wakeup until you come to see Jesus as a Ordinary Human Being coming to existence Just as we have and receiving the holy spirit at his baptism in the Jordan River, and there becoming a begotten son of GOD, Just as we do when we receive the holy spirit , You simply do not see the real Jesus, but a Jesus who is different the we are, a Jesus who image is of the synagogues of Satan himself.

Satan absolutely does not want us to see Jesus as we are, he does not want you to believe you can obtain to the full stature of Christ. Satan's DOCTRINE of SEPARATION works in most all of Christianity , it causes people not to identify themselves with Jesus our brother the first one of US , born into the Kingdom of God. God plainly in Jesus showed us all what he has in mind for all humanity.

If you don't see Jesus this way you simply do not see him brother. IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
You say
“He puts on his old body for a witness to his brothers.”
Amazing

Should a teacher fill in the holes in his docrines by using imagination?

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2014,06:11)

Hi WU, You say “He puts on his old body for a witness to his brothers.” Amazing Should a teacher fill in the holes in his docrines by using imagination?

Nick.

The apostles can not see and touch spirit.
The new Jesus is called the Word of God and his feet are as burning brass;and his eyes as burning fire.

Revelation 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

This was not the Jesus with his mutilated flesh.

All you claiming Jesus is flesh, are degrading Our Lord.
Because of lack of knowledge. He is made better than the angels.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Jesus is not flesh now.
He could not enter the kingdom if he was.

He was though when he rose in his old body
Luke 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2014,10:29)

Hi WU, Jesus is not flesh now. He could not enter the kingdom if he was. He was though when he rose in his old body Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Nick.

Agree. buT some say he is now in the flesh glorified.
Meaning; He is lesser than the angels.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Not so
Agree
heb 1

[Wakeup]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 13 2014,01:24)

Wakeup……………You are speculating, when you say he put on his old body, Scripture does not say that, but instead shows he was resurrected from the dead in his body he had, and Jesus himself said he was NOT A SPIRIT, because a SPIRIT does NOT HAVE A BODY as he said he had. You have not one scripture that say Jesus was turned into a Spirit Being of any kind Wakeup. If there exist one please post it. Not only that but not one scripture that shown any previous activity of Jesus before his berth as a man on this earth. Wakeup until you come to see Jesus as a Ordinary Human Being coming to existence Just as we have and receiving the holy spirit at his baptism in the Jordan River, and there becoming a begotten son of GOD, Just as we do when we receive the holy spirit , You simply do not see the real Jesus, but a Jesus who is different the we are, a Jesus who image is of the synagogues of Satan himself. Satan absolutely does not want us to see Jesus as we are, he does not want you to believe you can obtain to the full stature of Christ. Satan's   DOCTRINE of SEPARATION  works in most all of Christianity , it causes people not to identify themselves with Jesus our brother the first one of US , born into the Kingdom of God. God plainly in Jesus showed us all what he has in mind for all humanity. If you don't see Jesus this way you simply do not see him brother. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

Gene B.

Read my reply to nick: below.

wakeup.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Wakeup @ April 13 2014,10:24)

All you claiming Jesus is flesh, are degrading Our Lord. Because of lack of knowledge. He is made better than the angels. wakeup.

Wakeup…….That is exactly what Satan want you and all Humans to believe, That We are below the Angels, But scripture say know you not you shall judge angels. Man is not one wit behind the angels , in fact to which of the angels did God ever say thou are't my Son Today I have begotten you. and again scripture says

What is MAN that so kind to him you should be, for you have made him a (LITTLE) lower then the angels , BUT HAS CROWNED HIM WITH “GLORY” AND “HONOR” AND HAS PLACED “ALL THING UNDER HIS (MANKIND'S) FEET AND IN THAT YOU HAVE SAID “ALL THINGS ARE UNDER HIS (MANKIND'S) FEET THERE IS THEREFORE “NOTHING' THAT IS NOT UNDER MAN FEET. But we do not “YET” see “ALL THINGS” under his (mankind's) feet, but what do we see, we see Jesus (another Man) who was made a little lower then the angels for the tasting of death, (just like we do), “NOW” Crowned with Glory and Honor , and “ALL THINGS” now under HIS FEET.

Wakeup can't you see it is Man who is the CROWN JEWEL of GOD'S creation, Not the Angels. Trying to make Jesus different and degrading humanity is exactly what Satan want people to believe. Jesus was a Human being when he came into existence on this earth and still is a Human being with Physical Body, Jesus is not a SPIRIT.

Adam and Eve both could have lived for ever in their bodies they had , had they eaten of the the tree of life. Did not God say that. lest he put forth his hand and eat of the tree of Live and “NEVER DIE”.

All Spirits desire BODIES, Even God Spirit does, for the Spirit earnestly desires us It want to dwell in us , in our bodies with us , know you not your bodies “ARE” the TEMPLES of the LIVING GOD,

Wakeup don't buy into these false teaching that man is an inferior being of some kind that is EXACTLY what SATAN wants us all to believe, But the Man Jesus, one of US, proved differently. Again if you don;t see Jesus in this way you simply don't really see Jesus. IMO

peace and love to you and your…………………………gene

[Wakeup]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 13 2014,01:24)

Wakeup……………You are speculating, when you say he put on his old body, Scripture does not say that, but instead shows he was resurrected from the dead in his body he had, and Jesus himself said he was NOT A SPIRIT, because a SPIRIT does NOT HAVE A BODY as he said he had. You have not one scripture that say Jesus was turned into a Spirit Being of any kind Wakeup. If there exist one please post it. Not only that but not one scripture that shown any previous activity of Jesus before his berth as a man on this earth. Wakeup until you come to see Jesus as a Ordinary Human Being coming to existence Just as we have and receiving the holy spirit at his baptism in the Jordan River, and there becoming a begotten son of GOD, Just as we do when we receive the holy spirit , You simply do not see the real Jesus, but a Jesus who is different the we are, a Jesus who image is of the synagogues of Satan himself. Satan absolutely does not want us to see Jesus as we are, he does not want you to believe you can obtain to the full stature of Christ. Satan's   DOCTRINE of SEPARATION  works in most all of Christianity , it causes people not to identify themselves with Jesus our brother the first one of US , born into the Kingdom of God. God plainly in Jesus showed us all what he has in mind for all humanity. If you don't see Jesus this way you simply do not see him brother. IMO peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

GeneB.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

This means that no one has seen Jesus as he is.
He did not appear as He really is.

Revelation 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

This is not the Jesus the apostles saw. Definitely not.

Here is jesus before He was born flesh.

Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek ***king of Salem*** brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

King of salem; King of peace.
We have one king of peace,his name is Jesus.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

To whomever is concerned,

2 Corinthians 4:16-18
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; 18 while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Is the inward or outward man the man from heaven?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
The outer man is the flesh.

[kerwin]

Nick,

I agree. The flesh is out of the earth. The inward man is not out of the earth. He is the breath of life that came from heaven.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
In the breath is soul and spirit.
Soul is a vessel made for the Spirit of God but usually occupied with other lodgers

[kerwin]

Nick,

The Spirit judges the soul as Samuel judged the children of Israel. The soul and the spirit of a man are both the inward man.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW

.Proverbs 16:2
All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the Lord weigheth the spirits.
Prov 20.27
The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

[kerwin]

Nick,

Those are true but how do they relate to our conversation?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
God has lent us our spirit but knows our hearts through it.

[kerwin]

Nick,

Are you relating this to Genesis 6:3?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Gen 6.3 says nothing about man housing the Spirit of God but God's Spirit contending with man

[kerwin]

Nick,

It does not actually say anything about God's Spirit contending with man as that is the interpretation of certain translators. Instead is states the Spirit will no longer judge with man as he is also flesh.

The “also” is in the Hebrew. So what is man but flesh?

What does “judge” mean in the Scripture as it is spoken of in the book of judges and other places?

Should we follow the translators teaching or should we test its spirit and follow God's?

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