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I believe that the Holy Spirit calls or chooses some people, and leads them into ‘truth’. However, why not ‘ALL truth”? Why so many errors? The answer I believe is Sin, or worldly distractions.
Further,
4 Wisdom will never enter the soul of a wrong-doer, nor dwell in a body enslaved to sin,
5 for the holy spirit of instruction flees deceitfulness, recoils from unintelligent thoughts, is thwarted by the onset of vice. (Wisdom: 1.4)
Marty, Really?
So, if you asked God a question, and you did not really know the bible, and God PUT a verse NUMBER and title in your head, and you rose and read, and that answered your particular question exactly to the point, would you not be amazed, especially if it happened all the time? Can God not communicate to us in that way?
e.g, I asked God if I should be a missionary in a Middle Eastern country which I felt I was being led to. I was told to read Deuteronomy 12:14, (I had no idea what it was), and to ‘read it with the spirit of Jesus’. So it said: “but at the place that the Lord will choose in one of your tribes, there you shall offer your burnt offerings, and there you shall do all that I am commanding you.” I took that as a definite command and answer. Then I remembered to read it with the spirit of Jesus, and I realized “offer your burnt offerings” was possibly my own life in exchange for handing the truth (Bible) to a Muslim, (which would be an eye opener to them). So, see what I mean about God speaking to us and the question of ‘is context always necessary’? Of course it is not, or you might miss some things. That is how God spoke to me in the beginning, (and also with dreams and visions Joel 2.28).
Ed,
Could YOU be wrong in any way. Or do you have ALL truth?Hi Miia,
I have been wrong may times. The main reason is in believing
what religion has taught me; they have taught many errors.But when I hear others contradict what they have said,
I go to the bible and search out the matter for myself.
That’s how I’ve come to the many conclusions I have.“but I now seek the company of like minded people so I can learn more from them” – Miia
Do you seriously believe there is growth within the confines of biased religious teachings.My goal it not to persuade others to believe as I do,
but is to merely to present my view for consideration.
Others do the watering and God provides their growth.___________________________________
It was good chatting with you,
God bless and take care now
Ed JEd, I’m not LEAVING this forum, I just meant that I’m finished with that particular thread (abomination of desolation) and with prophecy I seek those who see things the way I do (and there are millions – not that THAT makes any difference, but just that it will feel nice to learn off others rather than endlessly debate), especially regarding the return of Christ.
I have been wrong may times. The main reason is in believing
what religion has taught me; they have taught many errors.Not only religion but also individuals. Individuals who seek truth alone or within a very small group are often wrong as well.
Do you seriously believe there is growth within the confines of biased religious teachings.
Growth? Well I guess it depends. Perhaps finding agreement and learning from them grows one spiritually? Perhaps there is not agreement on topics such as the trinity, but if there is agreement regarding other things, then just, perhaps.
rather than endlessly debate), especially regarding the return of Christ.
Hi Miia,
Since the spirit of Christ returned at Pentecost, and Jesus (in the flesh) will not
be seen until the Resurrection – that leaves a lot of time for Christ to return. So
yes, that certainly can be debated endlessly. Best to learn what the bible teaches.One verse in the bible doesn’t cancel another. People create problems
for themselves when they believe certain bible verses cancel others.
I have learned that the simplicity of the bible can be understood
when one avoids this practice.________________
God bless
Ed JOne verse in the bible doesn’t cancel another. People create problems
for themselves when they believe certain bible verses cancel others.
I have learned that the simplicity of the bible can be understood
when one avoids this practice.Hi Ed, could you please give me an example?
Mia:
If you believe that God has spoken to you in that way, putting a verse of scripture in your head, when you don’t know the bible, I am not going to tell you that He did not.
He said if anyone lacks wisdom let him or her ask in faith without wavering, and so, I do believe God will answer our questions if we ask in that way. But I believe that the context is always important. I don’t know about your question about going to the middle east.
Love in Christ,
MartyTo whomever it may concern,
John 5:37-40Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
John 5:37-40New English Translation (NET Bible)
37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified about me. You people have never heard his voice nor seen his form at any time, 38 nor do you have his word residing in you, because you do not believe the one whom he sent. 39 You study the scriptures thoroughly because you think in them you possess eternal life, and it is these same scriptures that testify about me, 40 but you are not willing to come to me so that you may have life.
One verse in the bible doesn’t cancel another. People create problems
for themselves when they believe certain bible verses cancel others.
I have learned that the simplicity of the bible can be understood
when one avoids this practice.Hi Ed, could you please give me an example?
Hi Miia, Sure:
“Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians,
Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon,
and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes,
and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.” (1Kings 11:33)This verse cannot be used to establish
the bible teaches there are other gods.
1Kings 11:33 doesn’t cancel Isaiah 44:8”Ye are even my witnesses.
Is there ‘a God’ beside me? yea,
there is ‘no God’; I know not any.” (Isaiah 44:8)You believing God is going to destroy
the Earth is yet another such example:
2Peter3:10 doesn’t cancel Psalms 78:69“the earth which he hath established for ever” (Psalms 78:69)
It is the works of the Earth that God is going burned up.
NOT THE EARTH’S WORKS: mountains, rivers and creeks.But He *IS* going to burn up the sea – see how stupid that sounds?
“the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea” (Rev 21:1)The sea represents turmoil
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God bless
Ed JHi Miia,
Please read this and and peradventure God will open your eyes:
(Psalms 107:23-32 clearly represents turmoil of the soul)“They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the LORD,
and his wonders in the deep. For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy wind, which lifteth up the waves thereof.They mount up to the heaven, they go down again to the depths: their soul is melted because of trouble.
They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man, and are at their wits’ end.Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he bringeth them out of their distresses.
He maketh the storm a calm, so that the waves thereof are still. Then are they glad because
they be quiet; so he bringeth them unto their desired haven. Oh that men would praise the LORD
for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men! Let them exalt him also in
the congregation of the people, and praise him in the assembly of the elders.” (Psalms 107:23-32)This is not about life on a boat, but instead how our life is like life on a boat. I hope you get it!
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God bless
Ed JKerwin exactly. That’s what I pointed out:
I believe that the context is always important
I would disagree with your use of the word ‘always’, Marty.
Hi Ed.
“Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians,
Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon,
and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes,
and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.” (1Kings 11:33)This verse cannot be used to establish
the bible teaches there are other gods.
1Kings 11:33 doesn’t cancel Isaiah 44:8“Ye are even my witnesses.
Is there ‘a God’ beside me? yea,
there is ‘no God’; I know not any.” (Isaiah 44:8)(1) You believing God is going to destroy
the Earth is yet another such example:
2Peter3:10 doesn’t cancel Psalms 78:69“the earth which he hath established for ever” (Psalms 78:69)
(2) But He *IS* going to burn up the sea – see how stupid that sounds?
“the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea” (Rev 21:1)(1) 2Peter 3 and all the other NT scriptures come AFTER Psalms 78.69, PLUS Psalms 78.69 is written from MANS perspective where Jesus said Earth ‘will’ pass away.
(2) You quote Revelation? I believe Revelation should be left alone by most people.
(Psalms 107:23-32 clearly represents turmoil of the soul)
“They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the LORD,
and his wonders in the deep. For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy wind, which lifteth up the waves thereof.They mount up to the heaven, they go down again to the depths: their soul is melted because of trouble.
They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man, and are at their wits’ end.Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he bringeth them out of their distresses.
He maketh the storm a calm, so that the waves thereof are still. Then are they glad because
they be quiet; so he bringeth them unto their desired haven. Oh that men would praise the LORD
for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men! Let them exalt him also in
the congregation of the people, and praise him in the assembly of the elders.” (Psalms 107:23-32)This is not about life on a boat, but instead how our life is like life on a boat. I hope you get it!
Yes i got that 🙂
Ed,
Psalm 78:69Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
69
And he built his sanctuary like high palaces,
like the earth which he hath established for ever.This issue is in the wrong thread. It also appears to be a vain argument about genealogies and the like. What does it matter if God destroys the earth completely and creates a whole new one or not. I like to speculate as much as the next person but that is all it is because God does what God does and it is righteous.
Ed and miia,
unknown author.
(Psalms 107:23-32 clearly represents turmoil of the soul)
A good topic.
The whole Psalms speaks of those that hunger and thirst for righteousness and how God draws them to him.
Psalm 107:14Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
14
He brought them out of darkness and the shadow of death,
and brake their bands in sunder.A prophecy of the Second Covenant as well?
Hi Miia,
The book of Revelation promises those who read it and those who hear it will be blessed.
“Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy” (Revelation 1:3)”I believe Revelation should be left alone by most people” – Miia
Would you deny God’s Children this promise to be blessed?
And no. I don’t follow all of Paul’s epistles either. Some.
Hi Miia,
It seems the Apostle Peter along with most Christians would disagree with you.
“Even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them OF THESE THINGS; in which are some things
hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also
the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2Peter 3:15-16)The Apostle Peter says the Apostle Paul is also speaking in them of these things;
My question is: where does the Apostle Paul say God is going to destroy the Earth?
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