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Paladin said:
Quote I think you are in error on this because, though WE did not know Psalm 8:5 applied to Jesus till the book of Hebrews told us, you have correctly pointed out, that in no way implies Jesus did not know it. He knew all the scriptures better than any other man who lived, and THAt is why he applied the term to himself. HE knew it was to be applied to him, and expressid it correctly. Exactly! Jesus was the first to apply the Psalm to Himself. Therefore, the expression “Son of Man” is His own self designation.
thinker
Hi TT,
Not just an expression but a fact.
He is a son of Adam through David according to the flesh.[rom1]Thinker…………Son of man is a general term for a decedent of Man. It is not distinct for Jesus (ONLY), GOD called Ezekiel Son of Man also. Thinker, brother quite trying to separate Jesus from US and our likeness, Jesus is a son of man just like you and i. We are not GOD”S neither is Jesus a GOD. God can indwell us Just as He indwells Jesus, one GOD in ALL and Through ALL.
peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Quote (Gene @ July 24 2009,15:50) Thinker…………Son of man is a general term for a decedent of Man. It is not distinct for Jesus (ONLY), GOD called Ezekiel Son of Man also. Thinker, brother quite trying to separate Jesus from US and our likeness, Jesus is a son of man just like you and i. We are not GOD”S neither is Jesus a GOD. God can indwell us Just as He indwells Jesus, one GOD in ALL and Through ALL. peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Gene,
The author to the Hebrews separates Jesus from our likeness in the area of sin. (Hebrews 7). It says that He is “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners.”thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 24 2009,20:07) Quote (Gene @ July 24 2009,15:50) Thinker…………Son of man is a general term for a decedent of Man. It is not distinct for Jesus (ONLY), GOD called Ezekiel Son of Man also. Thinker, brother quite trying to separate Jesus from US and our likeness, Jesus is a son of man just like you and i. We are not GOD”S neither is Jesus a GOD. God can indwell us Just as He indwells Jesus, one GOD in ALL and Through ALL. peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Gene,
The author to the Hebrews separates Jesus from our likeness in the area of sin. (Hebrews 7). It says that He is “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners.”thinker
Thinker………The author of Hebrews does not seperate Jesus from us, he simply is saying Jesus has Now attained what we also will, He is the first of OUR KIND (MAN) to achieve that GOAL, GOD has for all man kind. We too will come to that (FULL MEASURE) OF CHRIST. Thinker dump that false teaching of the Trinity and you won't have to keep forcing the text to try to present a case that does not exist Brother. Jesus said “for THOU art the (ONLY) TRUE GOD”. Just except what he said brother.Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Quote (Gene @ July 25 2009,08:45) Quote (thethinker @ July 24 2009,20:07) Quote (Gene @ July 24 2009,15:50) Thinker…………Son of man is a general term for a decedent of Man. It is not distinct for Jesus (ONLY), GOD called Ezekiel Son of Man also. Thinker, brother quite trying to separate Jesus from US and our likeness, Jesus is a son of man just like you and i. We are not GOD”S neither is Jesus a GOD. God can indwell us Just as He indwells Jesus, one GOD in ALL and Through ALL. peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Gene,
The author to the Hebrews separates Jesus from our likeness in the area of sin. (Hebrews 7). It says that He is “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners.”thinker
Thinker………The author of Hebrews does not seperate Jesus from us, he simply is saying Jesus has Now attained what we also will, He is the first of OUR KIND (MAN) to achieve that GOAL, GOD has for all man kind. We too will come to that (FULL MEASURE) OF CHRIST. Thinker dump that false teaching of the Trinity and you won't have to keep forcing the text to try to present a case that does not exist Brother. Jesus said “for THOU art the (ONLY) TRUE GOD”. Just except what he said brother.Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Gene,
Gene said:
Quote Thinker………The author of Hebrews does not seperate Jesus from us, Gene,
What part of the statement “SEPARATE from sinners” do you not understand?thinker
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 25 2009,10:19) Quote (Gene @ July 25 2009,08:45) Quote (thethinker @ July 24 2009,20:07) Quote (Gene @ July 24 2009,15:50) Thinker…………Son of man is a general term for a decedent of Man. It is not distinct for Jesus (ONLY), GOD called Ezekiel Son of Man also. Thinker, brother quite trying to separate Jesus from US and our likeness, Jesus is a son of man just like you and i. We are not GOD”S neither is Jesus a GOD. God can indwell us Just as He indwells Jesus, one GOD in ALL and Through ALL. peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Gene,
The author to the Hebrews separates Jesus from our likeness in the area of sin. (Hebrews 7). It says that He is “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners.”thinker
Thinker………The author of Hebrews does not seperate Jesus from us, he simply is saying Jesus has Now attained what we also will, He is the first of OUR KIND (MAN) to achieve that GOAL, GOD has for all man kind. We too will come to that (FULL MEASURE) OF CHRIST. Thinker dump that false teaching of the Trinity and you won't have to keep forcing the text to try to present a case that does not exist Brother. Jesus said “for THOU art the (ONLY) TRUE GOD”. Just except what he said brother.Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Gene,
Gene,
Bodhitharta is on your side. He believes that the bible was tampered with, that Paul was a deceiver and that Jesus was presumptuous and that He was not crucified.You are known by your company.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 25 2009,11:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 25 2009,10:19) Quote (Gene @ July 25 2009,08:45) Quote (thethinker @ July 24 2009,20:07) Quote (Gene @ July 24 2009,15:50) Thinker…………Son of man is a general term for a decedent of Man. It is not distinct for Jesus (ONLY), GOD called Ezekiel Son of Man also. Thinker, brother quite trying to separate Jesus from US and our likeness, Jesus is a son of man just like you and i. We are not GOD”S neither is Jesus a GOD. God can indwell us Just as He indwells Jesus, one GOD in ALL and Through ALL. peace and love to you and yours……………………….gene
Gene,
The author to the Hebrews separates Jesus from our likeness in the area of sin. (Hebrews 7). It says that He is “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners.”thinker
Thinker………The author of Hebrews does not seperate Jesus from us, he simply is saying Jesus has Now attained what we also will, He is the first of OUR KIND (MAN) to achieve that GOAL, GOD has for all man kind. We too will come to that (FULL MEASURE) OF CHRIST. Thinker dump that false teaching of the Trinity and you won't have to keep forcing the text to try to present a case that does not exist Brother. Jesus said “for THOU art the (ONLY) TRUE GOD”. Just except what he said brother.Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Gene,
Gene,
Bodhitharta is on your side. He believes that the bible was tampered with, that Paul was a deceiver and that Jesus was presumptuous and that He was not crucified.You are known by your company.
thinker
You are a polytheist and you question me? You tamper with the word of God yourself imagining all sorts of things you said Jesus has already returned and yet we see no lion laying with the lamb and sin runs amock. I have asked you about this before but you run from me seeking easier debates with others but I assure you if you allow me to have dialogue with you your faults will become clear.God willing you may even learn how to adjust and correct your false triple God doctrine.
bodhitharta said:
Quote You are a polytheist and you question me? You tamper with the word of God yourself imagining all sorts of things you said Jesus has already returned and yet we see no lion laying with the lamb and sin runs amock. I have asked you about this before but you run from me seeking easier debates with others but I assure you if you allow me to have dialogue with you your faults will become clear. It's funny that you call me a polytheist. The Islamic website I cite from below says that Trinitarianism may be classified as “monotheistic” because it believes in the God of Abraham. Note also that it says that Trinitarianism is “Christian.” This implies that non-Islamic anti-trinitarianism is NOT Christian.
Quote Some of the biggest misconceptions that many non-Muslims have about Islam have to do with the word “Allah.” For various reasons, many people have come to believe that Muslims worship a different God than Christians and Jews. This is totally false, since “Allah” is simply the Arabic word for “God” – and there is only One God. Let there be no doubt – Muslims worship the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus – peace be upon them all. However, it is certainly true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have different concepts of Almighty God. For example, Muslims – like Jews – reject the Christian beliefs of the Trinity and the Divine Incarnation. This, however, does not mean that each of these three religions worships a different God – because, as we have already said, there is only One True God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim to be “Abrahamic Faiths”, and all of them are also classified as “monotheistic.” However, Islam teaches that other religions have, in one way or another, distorted and nullified a pure and proper belief in Almighty God by neglecting His true teachings and mixing them with man-made ideas. http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/195/
It is the Islamic religion that is polytheistic because it believes in the God of Ishmael in addition to the God of Abraham. But God never called Himself the God of Ishmael.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 25 2009,20:07) bodhitharta said: Quote You are a polytheist and you question me? You tamper with the word of God yourself imagining all sorts of things you said Jesus has already returned and yet we see no lion laying with the lamb and sin runs amock. I have asked you about this before but you run from me seeking easier debates with others but I assure you if you allow me to have dialogue with you your faults will become clear. It's funny that you call me a polytheist. The Islamic website I cite from below says that Trinitarianism may be classified as “monotheistic” because it believes in the God of Abraham. Note also that it says that Trinitarianism is “Christian.” This implies that non-Islamic anti-trinitarianism is NOT Christian.
Quote Some of the biggest misconceptions that many non-Muslims have about Islam have to do with the word “Allah.” For various reasons, many people have come to believe that Muslims worship a different God than Christians and Jews. This is totally false, since “Allah” is simply the Arabic word for “God” – and there is only One God. Let there be no doubt – Muslims worship the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus – peace be upon them all. However, it is certainly true that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have different concepts of Almighty God. For example, Muslims – like Jews – reject the Christian beliefs of the Trinity and the Divine Incarnation. This, however, does not mean that each of these three religions worships a different God – because, as we have already said, there is only One True God. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim to be “Abrahamic Faiths”, and all of them are also classified as “monotheistic.” However, Islam teaches that other religions have, in one way or another, distorted and nullified a pure and proper belief in Almighty God by neglecting His true teachings and mixing them with man-made ideas. http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/195/
It is the Islamic religion that is polytheistic because it believes in the God of Ishmael in addition to the God of Abraham. But God never called Himself the God of Ishmael.
thinker
How can the God of Abraham(Ishmael's Father) not be the God Ishmael(Abrahams's son)?In-fact how can God not be God of all flesh period.
Numbers 16:21-23 (King James Version)
22 And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?
Numbers 27:15-17 (King James Version)
15And Moses spake unto the LORD, saying,
16 Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation,
Jeremiah 32:26-28 (King James Version)
26 Then came the word of the LORD unto Jeremiah, saying,
27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
Genesis 9:15-17 (King James Version)
15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.
17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.
Genesis 17
5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Acts 2:16-18 (King James Version)
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
So, how is it you don't believe the scriptures?
Also which one of your “Gods” is not the God of Ishmael?
bodhitharta said:
Quote How can the God of Abraham(Ishmael's Father) not be the God Ishmael(Abrahams's son)? Because Ishmael was cast out of the covenant which I have shown you a thousand times. After this God consistently identified Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. After Ishmael was cast out Isaac became Abraham's only son. This is what God said. Therefore, Ishmael had no God. You construct a false god. You are a polytheist.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,03:32) bodhitharta said: Quote How can the God of Abraham(Ishmael's Father) not be the God Ishmael(Abrahams's son)? Because Ishmael was cast out of the covenant which I have shown you a thousand times. After this God consistently identified Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. After Ishmael was cast out Isaac became Abraham's only son. This is what God said. Therefore, Ishmael had no God. You construct a false god. You are a polytheist.
thinker
What you are saying is impossible God is everyone's God, who do you think blessed Ishmael?bodhitharta said said:
Quote What you are saying is impossible God is everyone's God, who do you think blessed Ishmael? “I AM the God of Abraham, ISAAC and Jacob.”
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,03:42) bodhitharta said said: Quote What you are saying is impossible God is everyone's God, who do you think blessed Ishmael? “I AM the God of Abraham, ISAAC and Jacob.”
thinker
According to you then God is not the God of Thinker.There is no doubt that the bible was altered by Jews to down play Ishmael but the fact is Ishmael and Isaac buried Abraham together which would be impossible if they served different gods.
You are in grave error.
Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,03:42) bodhitharta said said: Quote What you are saying is impossible God is everyone's God, who do you think blessed Ishmael? “I AM the God of Abraham, ISAAC and Jacob.”
thinker
Also since you are so into names, you do realize thatISHMAEL means GOD, Hears
So obviously God hears Ishmael and responds to him and his descendents.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 26 2009,05:49) Quote (thethinker @ July 26 2009,03:42) bodhitharta said said: Quote What you are saying is impossible God is everyone's God, who do you think blessed Ishmael? “I AM the God of Abraham, ISAAC and Jacob.”
thinker
Also since you are so into names, you do realize thatISHMAEL means GOD, Hears
So obviously God hears Ishmael and responds to him and his descendents.
God fulfilled all He promised Ishmael. But he was not in covenant relationship with God. Only Isaac was the child of the covenant:19 “and God saith, `Sarah thy wife is certainly bearing a son to thee, and thou hast called his name Isaac, and I have established My covenant with him, for a covenant age-during, to his seed after him.
20 As to Ishmael, I have heard thee; lo, I have blessed him, and made him fruitful, and multiplied him, very exceedingly; twelve princes doth he beget, and I have made him become a great nation;
21 and My covenant I establish with Isaac, whom Sarah doth bear to thee at this appointed time in the next year….”
Jehovah was NOT the God of Ishmael!
thinker
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