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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2009,20:18) Hi MK,
So the first fruits are individuals.
But the remaining fruit is bits of individuals?
The firstfruits are individuals who have had their carnal nature removed, their minds renewed …… the same as the general harvest ………… still individuals who will all be in Christ ….. as 1 Cor 15 says in Christ – shall ALL be made alive but each in their own orderChrist
those at his coming
then the end when all is subdued (obedient) just as Christ is subject to the Father {the same word is used for the subjection of the enemies to Christ and Christ subject to God} and the word means obedience.G5293
ὑποτάσσω
hupotassō
hoop-ot-as'-so
From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: – be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.Hi MK,
There is no division but only one group called the sons of God and they ALL are covered in the robe of righteousness of the son of God. Sin is not permanently ascribed to them as their sins are dealt with by their advocate with the Father.Jesus is the firstfruits and those in him are too as the union between vine and active branch is a living union with that unity manifested fully at his return. Each in their order, Christ the head, and his servants, the body and they make up the ALL the book is written to.
Sanctification is the hidden inner work of the Spirit of God
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 08 2009,09:57) For Jodi
Nick I am not Jodi, but can I say something about the first fruits. After Christ resurrection and ascension to Heaven, those Christians who were alive suffered greatly and like most of the Apostles except John were executed. After almost three centuries of brutal and bloody persecution, it was Constantine in A.D. 313 that issued an edit allowing the Christian full freedom to keep their religion.
In A.D. 321 Constantine issued an edit forbidding work on Sunday, and made it a day of worship. Not only that He also did away with all Holy Days and made them Holidays, like Christmas and Easter.
I also want to say that His Parents were Pagans, and He was brought up that way.And in 324 He established Christianity to be the official religion of His Empire. It will become to be known as the Roman Universal Church.
All those Christian that died that way, I believe are the first fruits.
Also the Catholic Church persecuted all who had a Bible.
Millions died by the hands of the Romans first and then by the Catholic Church. I believe that they qualify more then any Christian of today, to be the first fruits.
IreneHi Jodi,
You have to be one with Jesus to be among the firstfruits.
Hi 1 Cor 15.20f
“But now Christ has been raised from the dead;
the FIRST FRUITS of those who are asleep.
For since by a MAN came death,
by a MAN also came the resurrection from the dead.
For as in ADAM all die,
so in Christ all will be made alive.
But each in his own order;
Christ the FIRST FRUITS,
after that those wo are Christ's at his coming,
then comes the end..”At the time of the end, Judgement, God will pick further fruit from the residue crop of mankind.
Those other sheep who were not known to be of the flock of God, will be saved according to their mercy shown to those in Christ[Mt25]
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 08 2009,10:38) Hi Jodi,
You have to be one with Jesus to be among the firstfruits.
Hi 1 Cor 15.20f
“But now Christ has been raised from the dead;
the FIRST FRUITS of those who are asleep.
For since by a MAN came death,
by a MAN also came the resurrection from the dead.
For as in ADAM all die,
so in Christ all will be made alive.
But each in his own order;
Christ the FIRST FRUITS,
after that those wo are Christ's at his coming,
then comes the end..”At the time of the end, Judgement, God will pick further fruit from the residue crop of mankind.
Those other sheep who were not known to be of the flock of God, will be saved according to their mercy shown to those in Christ[Mt25]
So are you saying your belief is that SOME in the second resurrection will receive immortality, but others will not?Hi Jodi,m
Read of the judgement in Mt25.
Some are found useless and are only for the fire
Even half of the bridesmaids are found wanting and excluded.Hi Jodi,
Blessed are the merciful for they will find mercy.“When did we see you sick…?”
“Whosoever gives you a cup of water because you belong to me will not lose his reward…”
Hi,
God has no interest in harvesting thornbushes and thistles.
Good soil cleared and planted with His good seed upon which rain falls will produce a useful crop.I am the true vine, and my Father the gardner, every branch in me that bear no fruit he takes away, and every branch that bears fruit he prunes, so that it bears more fruit
if anyone does not stay in me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up and they gather them and throw them into the fire and they are burned.
Yohanan
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 08 2009,11:14) Hi Irene,
Try the first fruits thread
Nick is this not the first fruit tread? That is what it says on top. And I already made a post which you ignored.
IreneJesus was the firstfruits of the RESURRECTION. Read 1Cor 15. but it said the rest would be raised AT HIS COMING. That has not happened yet. Then in Hebrews it says that they (OT people of Faith) would not be perfected, (receive immortality) without US.
also, the last shall be FIRST and the first shall be LAST. They will be last. We will be the FIRST ONES.
Glory to God.TO all………The first fruits apply to the first to be harvested from the earth of humanity, but as in nature the biggest crop is the fall harvest by far. That is when the rest of man kind will be saved. Did Jesus really say that every person the was not in Him would be cut out from him and cast into the fire, OR did he say that every branch in (HIM) that did not produce fruit the FATHER takes away and destroys,That (HE) would produce more fruit, was He referencing the FATHERS personal work of Perfecting Jesus himself , saying every branch in (me) that does not produce fruit, The father removes.
We may be assuming that is talking about others when he may have been talking about Jesus HIMSELF. With that said we are though considered branches and Jesus is the true vine, And unless we do abide in Christ were removing ourselves from Him. WE must also remember the the LIFE of the Complete Vine is the water that flows through it and symbolic that is representative of the Spirit and it is the life of the whole vine and it branches, all are given life by the SPIRIT that WATER it. IMO.
peace and love to you all……………….gene
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 08 2009,14:34) TO all………The first fruits apply to the first to be harvested from the earth of humanity, but as in nature the biggest crop is the fall harvest by far. That is when the rest of man kind will be saved. Did Jesus really say that every person the was not in Him would be cut out from him and cast into the fire, OR did he say that every branch in (HIM) that did not produce fruit the FATHER takes away and destroys,That (HE) would produce more fruit, was He referencing the FATHERS personal work of Perfecting Jesus himself , saying every branch in (me) that does not produce fruit, The father removes. We may be assuming that is talking about others when he may have been talking about Jesus HIMSELF. With that said we are though considered branches and Jesus is the true vine, And unless we do abide in Christ were removing ourselves from Him. WE must also remember the the LIFE of the Complete Vine is the water that flows through it and symbolic that is representative of the Spirit and it is the life of the whole vine and it branches, all are given life by the SPIRIT that WATER it. IMO.
peace and love to you all……………….gene
Gene! Are we not under a New Covenant? IMO we are.
Luke 22:20
…” This cup is the new covenant in My Blood, which is shed for you.”
By His Blood that we are under, we are saved, but also in
Ephesians 2:8 ” For by grace you have been saved, through faith, and that not of yourself, it is a gift from God.
verse 9 not of works lest anyone should boast.
verse 10For we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
The question is will we be alive when Christ will come. Will we survive the tribulation period. In Revelation 7:14
And I said to Him” Sir you know ” These are the ones who came out of the great tribulation, and have washed there robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
verse 15 ” Therefore they are before the Throne of God and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them.
IMO the first fruits are the Saints that have died for Christ in the from the Apostles on, except John, until the third century who died for Christ. They were persecuted and killed, first by the Romans and later by the Catholic Church.
If you will read on in Revelation 7:16-17
IMO we will have to wait and see. I do know that I will die before that time arrives, since I am 71 years old. But who knows if God will keep me alive or not. I though when I was diagnosed with Lupus, I only had 15-20 years left, and it is now 31 years since I was diagnosed. Time will tell.
With much Love and Peace IreneI am rather surpriced that no one said anything to my post. Why? Is it to hard to understand me?
This is not the first time that this has happend. It rather makes me wonder.
Oh well, all is well with my Soul.
IreneIrene ……….I agree with you post and probably most here do also that is most likely why no one committed. IMO
peace and love to you and Georg. …………………..gene
The Firstfruits contain BOTH Jews and Gentiles,
Ro 11:16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
If we look at HOW the firstfruit BECAME holy, then it should be easy to see why and how, all in good time, the entire lump will be made holy.
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