The earth will melt at coming?

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  • #787067
    Wakeup
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    The earth will melt at the coming defeats its own purpose of the coming.
    1.The earth will be a ball of fire and melt; no more sea. Then what? All is finished.? End; all done away with; and judged.
    2.There will be no more graves to open, then what about the graves will be opened at the second resurrection.?
    3.Only the true Christians will be taken, families,children and friends not in Christ will be ashes. Burned alive?
    4. Why is satan and his angels spared, because only the beast and the false prophet were cast into the fire at the coming.rev.19.
    5.Is this God’s way of judging all the people that lived before Christ?
    6. When will the natural olive branches be grafted back to the natural olive tree?
    7.Where do you fit in the lion shall eat straw?
    8.Where do you fit in; They all will live up to 100years old?
    9.Where do you fit in Armageddon, and the supper for the fowls and the wild beast to eat the flesh of men,and animals?

    Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

    Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    Revelation 20:13 AND THE SEA GAVE UP THE DEAD WHICH WERE IN IT; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    . THE JUDGEMENT SUPPOSE TO BE DONE AT THE MELTING?

    You need to be responsible for your own doctrine, and MUST explain how the melting of the earth is at the coming,
    in detail, and answer all those questions,for now; for us to believe this doctrine. 1–to–9.
    There are many more questions that must be answered, enough for now.
    We are all ears.
    wakeup.

    #787082
    GeneBalthrop
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    To all….there are two commings one is the comming of Jesus, christ, and his kingdom, the other comes at the end of his thousand year rule and that is the comming of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. THAT IS WHEN THIS WORLD IS DESTORYED by fire AND RECREATED AGAIN, BY God, just as scripture says.

    When Jesus returns there are spcific signs in the heaven that will take place ,the powers (gravitational pulls between planets) of heaven will be shaken, and the earth will stager like a drunkard, and the wave will be roaring,(giant sumonies) causing mens hearts to fail because of those things comming on the earth. We are told.

    peace and love to you all…………….gene

    #787083
    Wakeup
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    GeneB.

    Are you sure there will be only two comings: not three or four?

    wakeup.

    #787096
    GeneBalthrop
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    Wakeup……Depends on the commings your talking about, there could be hundreds, if not thousands depends on the types and kinds of commings your taking about. The only one i care about is the comming of the lord JESUS, CHRIST , AND God the Father. Who Jesus will turn over his kingdom to, at the end of his thousand year reign.

    Jesus told us many would come and say the time was at hand and decieve many. I was in a church once that the leader said Jesus would return in 1975, that day came and went, nothing happened, maany otbershave done tbe same, There are so many false prophets and preachers that use scriptures for their own personal gains, trying to glorify and make themselves look important. But JESUS TOLD us this would happen and we were not to follow them.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene

    #787097
    Wakeup
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    Gene B.

    I sugest you go for Rev 19.

    wakeup.

    #787114
    GeneBalthrop
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    Wakeup…….that takes place at the end of the thousand year reign of Jesus and the saints, it the advent of God the Father brining about the end of this age, and after judgement of the dead, he recreates the whole earth, this is the new heavens and eath spoken of in scriptures.

    PEACE AND LOVE TO YOU AND YOURS. …………..GENE

    #787116
    Wakeup
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    Gene B.

    I agree,The earth will only melt afer all the judgements are done,1st and 2nd.
    Now what will happen in between the coming and the melting?

    wakeup.

    #787136
    Wakeup
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    Gene B.

    The second coming is soon; for sure. The destruction of Babylon.
    Are you saying that we are at the end of the the 1000years now?
    (no; because Babylon the great was not destroyed 2000years ago) ok.
    And Jesus is going to give his authority to His Father; No,
    only after the preaching to the jews and the gentiles in the 1000years,is done.
    After reading rev.19; read rev.20.

    Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put ALL in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him.

    1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, *WHEN* he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; *WHEN* he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
    ALL NOT UNDER CHRIST YET. WILL BE ONLY AFTER BABYLON THE GREAT IS DESTROYED.[/color]

    1 Corinthians 15:25 FOR HE MUST RTEIGN, TILL HE HATH PUT ALL ENEMIES UNDER HIS FEET.
    ALL ENEMIES NOT UNDER CHRIST YET. STILL TO COME. THE DRAGON STILL ROAMING AROUND LIKE A ROARING LION.
    1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.(WE ARE STILL DYING DURING THE LAST 2000YEARS).
    1 Corinthians 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
    1 Corinthians 15:28 And WHEN ALL THINGS shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

    AFTER THE WAR OF GOG AND MAGOG; ALL ENEMIES ARE PUT UNDER CHRISTS FEET;WHEN SATAN AND HIS ANGELS ARE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.AND ALL THE GRAVES ARE OPENED AND JUDGED.

    wakeup.

    #787138
    Wakeup
    Participant

    THE EARTH WILL MELT ONLY AFTER:
    1.The coming; Babylon the great destroyed.
    2.The resurrection of the saints.
    3. Kingdom set up; Jews and gentiles taught Christ in the 1000yr kingdom.
    4.Satan let loose; The war of Gog and Magog; satan and his angels cast in the lake of fire; and all who followed him.
    5.The second judgement ALL the graves opened to be judged by the books.
    6. The goats cast into the fire where satan and his angels are.
    7. Then the earth itself will melt and the heavens rolled as a scroll.
    8.Then the new heavens and earth.
    9.Then God himself will dwell on earth as well as in heaven.

    Babylon the great was not destroyed at Pentecost, nor at the cross.
    The dragon is still walking about like a roaring lion, until the coming.

    wakeup.

    #787142
    GeneBalthrop
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    Wakeup……..Due you really think i don’t know that? I have known that for over 50 years, as i believe most here have. We allknow that JESUS’ return is close. Or at least everyone here should know it. The exact set of thing that will happen just pryer to his return,

    Luke 21:25-28……explaines it all no need to make false speculations. We are told 25, there shall be signs in the sun, and the moon, and in the stars, and upon the earth destress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and waves roaring; 21 mens hearts failing them (heart attacks) because of the fear, and looking after those things which are comming on the earth: for the powers of heaven (gravitional pulls that lock the planets together) shall be shaken. 27, and then shall they see the son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28, and when THESE THINGS BEGIN TO COME TO PASS, look up, and lift your heads; because your redemption draws nigh.

    THAT IS THE WHOLE THING IN A NUTSHELL. No need to get worried about it just be ready for it to happen and when we see theses thing comming to pass then look for our redemption, (deliverance) .

    Jesus told us not to worry about tomorrow because those thing will take care of themselves, he said suffecient today is the evil there of. We just need to be ready and deal with our present troubles.

    peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene

    #787147
    Wakeup
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    Wakeup…….that takes place at the end of the thousand year reign of Jesus and the saints, it the advent of God the Father brining about the end of this age, and after judgement of the dead, he recreates the whole earth, this is the new heavens and eath spoken of in scriptures.

    That is good; now state the beginning of the 1000years?
    And during the period of the 1000years.

    wakeup.

    #787149
    Wakeup
    Participant

    You said we must be ready and not to worry. yeah, be at ease, AND STAY AT EASE.
    1.How to be ready? By being at ease?
    2.Not to worry; exactly what is written in Isaiah 32.
    3.Isaiah 32:9 Rise up, ye women that are AT EASE; hear my voice, ye CARELESS DAUGHTERS; give ear unto my speech.
    Isaiah 32:10 Many days and years shall ye be troubled, ye CARELESS women: for the vintage shall fail, the gathering shall not come. (All in the truth should not worry; but them that are AT EASE, should worry, FOR IT SAYS; you shall be troubled).
    All like to *BELIEVE* they are in the truth; even the JW’S and Mormons, and Pentecostals, and the born again.
    The ones with the great picture of the kingdom in possession, are in the truth. They can SEE the kingdom of God.
    If you can not see the kingdom of God; you are NOT in the truth; cause not given the truth.
    Only the truth can set you free. If you can not see the kingdom of God, you should be worried, or just stay at ease.
    And say; what will be will be,for I am saved.

    wakeup.

    #787163
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Wakeup……First i never said stay at ease, that your rendition of what i said, you should learn not to lie about what people say, that would be a good start in your Christian walk. I simply quoted scriptures of what our lord JESUS told us, i realize you evedently choose, by you captivated will, not to believe him, you seem to rather preach you own renditions of scriptures, paying attention to some while ignoring others, this is the way of novice’s not having a balance of all scriptures. Remember it says, the SUM of scriptures is truth. Piece milling only add to confusion.

    Heres another one you can either ignore or change to meet your dogmas,

    2Ti 1:7…….FOR God has not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and love, and of a sound mind.

    Read verses 8 and 9 also.

    peace and love to you and yours…………….gene

    #787167
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Gene B.

    This is the problem with all of the churches.
    When God says us; they consider automatically all included.
    Not so; US is the true believers.
    Not to worry means to be at ease; all is fine.
    The five virgins were asleep when the groom arrived. They were at ease.

    wakeup.

    #787188
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Wakeup…..yes they were “ALL” ASLEEP, BOTH THE WISE AND THE UNWISE. DO YOU THINK THE WISE WERE NOT ASLEEP ALSO?

    JESUS SAID…..My joy i give you , he told us not to WORRY about tomorrow, because tomorrow will take care of the things of itself, he also said suffecient unto today is the evil there of. While we are to be aware of the comming of Jesus, and the setting up of the kingdom of God, we need to be more concerened on how we are living our lives now, are we walking with Faith, Hope, Love, toward all, as we have been told to, and as God the Father would wanst us to.

    Look we can’t do nothing about things that are going to happen in the future, we live with hope, not only in this life but the life to come also. Scriptures, say ” if we have hope in this life only, we are of all men most miserable”. That tells me we are to have both hope in this life AND the life to come.

    The Fear you are teaching is all over in the place in churches, just turn your tv and look at what being brodcasted all over the place, taking prophetic scriptures a using them to excite fear in people, they use fear tatics to captivate people to their organazations. I was in one of those at one time in my life , there all dead and their predictions never happened.

    Again i am not saying we shouldn’t be aware of what going on around us, and looking forward to the return of Jesus and the resurection. But to be fearfull about something we can’t do nothing about and letting that control our lives is pure foolishness, and shows a real lack of true faith. Remember scripture also say, “the fearfull and unbelieving will have their part in the lake offire”.

    Wakeup i believe you are just focusing on the fearfull sides of prophesies, and leaving out the positive sides, but true Christian’s aren’t overly concerned about things they can’t do anything about. Why not focuse on the GOSPEL (GOOD NEWS ) OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD. We are told in scripture that “THE WHOLE CREATION”, Shall be delievered from it’s bondage of corruption unto the glorious liberty of the sons of God. Why not think about the postive sides of the kingdom of God and the things we can do now in our lives. What did Paul tell us?

    Php 4:8…..Finally, brethern, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of a good report, if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, THINK ON THESE THINGS.

    And if we do those things, what did he say would be with us, “AND THE GOD OF PEACE SHALL BE WITH YOU.” God ofwhat? OF PEACE.

    peace and loveto you and yours. ……………gene

    #787189
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Hi Gene B.

    First of all; divide the scriptures wisely.
    Jesus was Speaking of the cares of the world; of life.(the material).
    Not to worry what to eat or drink, or what clothing to put on tomorrow.

    Number one is; seek ye the kingdom of God.
    That kingdom is within you; discover it; labour to find it.
    Don’t say not to worry, there is nothing we can do. Seek and find.
    If one seeks and can not find; then there must be something that is in the way.
    Something that is not right. And not to be at ease, but find out WHAT that something is.
    Then get it fixed.
    That something is the smooth words preached; and accepted by the flock.
    Because they love smooth words only.

    Jesus speech in Matt 24, Sounds doom and gloom, but if we have found the kingdom,
    We should not worry. If we have not found the kingdom; then we should labour harder to find.
    The book of revelation is about the horrible things that is coming upon this world.
    The destruction of Babylon and the judgement of the saints, and the many.
    Every Christian should be concerned, and make sure he/she, will be accepted in the kingdom.
    But if he/she is told that he/she is *ALREADY* accepted in heaven; he/she would FEEL SAVE AND SECURED and at ease.(relaxed).
    This is the case with all the daughters that are at ease; they are made to relax.
    They are so sure they are born again and saved.

    Isaiah 32:11 Tremble, ye women that are at ease; be troubled, ye careless ones: strip you, and make you bare, and gird sackcloth upon your loins.

    BUT YOU ARE SAYING; don’t be troubled; there is nothing we can do.
    Just concentrate on the good things in life.

    wakeup.

    #787194
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Gene B.

    The five virgins were spiritually asleep; the five let their lamps go out.
    The light of the spirit; they were spiritually at ease, in a dream state.
    Do not mix spiritual sleep and physical sleep.
    Divide the scriptures wisely.

    wakeup.

    #787260
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Wakeup…. .do you just change scrptures to meet your dogmas? No where does it says five were spritually dead, and the wise were not, fact is it says, they did not have extra oil in their flasks and there lamps were going out, it does not say they were out of spirit as your persumptions would have us believe. The fuel that drives true christians is their FAITH, NOT only SPIRIT.

    “FOR IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE GOD, WITHOUT FAITH” we are told.

    Why do you see fit to change the text to say what it does not actually say. And to cause people to worry about thing they can’t do anything about, is it not better for you and us all, to learn to live according to the teachings of the master, OUR BROTHER our comming king Jesus, the anointed one (the christo’s) of God.

    Jesus told us to seek the kingdom of God, AND “HIS” RIGHTIOUSNESS” I SEE NOTHING IN THAT TO CAUSE US TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING COMMING ON THIS EARTH. WE NEED TO TRY HARDER NOT TO CHANGE THE TEXTUAL WORDINGS TO MEET our own personal DOGMAS wakeup. We are not novice’s here and are well aware of the events comming reguarding the return of Jesus, the King, our brother and master who speaks to us God the farthers words, not his words, but the Fathers words.

    peace and love to you and yours. …………….gene

    #787308
    Wakeup
    Participant

    All say I am misinterpreting these scriptures; let’s not guibble.
    Please give us the true interpretation of these scriptures below.
    I am all ears.

    Isaiah 32:9 Rise up, ye women that are at ease; hear my voice, ye careless daughters; give ear unto my speech.
    Isaiah 32:10 Many days and years shall ye be troubled, ye careless women: for the vintage shall fail, the gathering shall not come.
    Isaiah 32:11 Tremble, ye women that are at ease; be troubled, ye careless ones: strip you, and make you bare, and gird sackcloth upon your loins.
    Isaiah 32:12 They shall lament for the teats, for the pleasant fields, for the fruitful vine.
    Isaiah 32:13 Upon the land of my people shall come up thorns and briers; yea, upon all the houses of joy in the joyous city:
    Isaiah 32:14 Because the palaces shall be forsaken; the multitude of the city shall be left; the forts and towers shall be for dens for ever, a joy of wild asses, a pasture of flocks;
    Isaiah 32:15 Until the spirit be poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest.

    Don’t shy away; I am waiting.
    wakeup.

    #787360
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Where are the accusers? Where have they gone?

    wakeup.

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