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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 05 2012,22:59)

Wen David was chosen and anointed by the prophet was he the new king or was he not
And yet he did not ruled as one ,right Yes

Good point, Pierre. Christ was born the savior of the world, although his actions as an infant hadn't yet saved anyone.

October 6, 2012 at 4:34 pm#314866

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Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 07 2012,10:23)

Pierre,
Follow the thought of the post. I am not saying that the verse should mean or say 'God the Father.' I am showing how t8's test is faulty.

KATHI

if you can not be truthful how can I follow you ,I well know that it takes only one lie ,to be driven away from the truth of God ,

so presenting the truth as to be done by showing that the others have lied and so miss represent the truth in scriptures ,and show reasons for it to that way in the teachings of ALL THE SCRIPTURES .not just one verse

and prove to us that this was the understanding of the Hebrews,(ancient) and the Greeks (apostles time)WE ALL KNOW GOD DOES NOT CHANGE.

October 6, 2012 at 4:36 pm#314868

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Pierre,

The Son's eternal power was demonstrated since the creation of the world.
16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Heb 1: 3And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power.

The Son always had power and uses it according to the will of the Father. The Son emptied Himself taking on the form of man and thus during that time He relied on the power of the Father to strengthen Him. Before that is a different story. Before that He was powerful enough to do everything the Father could do because He was the exact representation of the nature of the Father.

October 6, 2012 at 4:38 pm#314869

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Pierre,
Where was I not truthful in that post? Maybe you just did not comprehend it. Did you even consider that? It seems like you have the ego here. Is your ego keeping you from reading my post with a spirit of understanding?

October 6, 2012 at 4:43 pm#314871

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Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 07 2012,10:36)

Pierre,

Heb 1: 3And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power.

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Before that He was powerful enough to do everything the Father could do because He was the exact representation of the nature of the Father.

the son was not his father and the father never created a MIRROR VERSION OF HIMSELF.

so the son never add the power of his father but always stay faithful to him that created him.(not so with Satan)

October 6, 2012 at 4:46 pm#314872

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Kathi

but I showed you what you have done to the scriptures you added your view ,

this is not the way to truth ,yours may be ,not mine

October 6, 2012 at 5:06 pm#314879

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Pierre,
That was not MY view that I added. I added 'the Father' to demonstrate that those words do NOT belong there and thus showing t8's test as inconsistent and flawed.

You are only proving your lack of comprehension of the post.

October 6, 2012 at 5:47 pm#314883

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Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 07 2012,11:06)

Pierre,
That was not MY view that I added. I added 'the Father' to demonstrate that those words do NOT belong there and thus showing t8's test as inconsistent and flawed.

You are only proving your lack of comprehension of the post.

Kathi

bla,bla,bla,you like were you are so be it .

October 6, 2012 at 5:50 pm#314884

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Quote (AndrewAD @ Oct. 06 2012,01:41)

Exactly,and thats why I'm so happy that I actually can now;that I really am now.I don't have to ignore,twist and explain them all away and still try to say it's all the truth.

That's great news. I remember reading one of the writings that Kathi posted, where the writer was saying that the people to whom they were preaching seemed to easily accept the good news, as taught in the scriptures………… but started walking away when the preachers began to speak about how Jesus really was the Almighty God who sent him. I can relate, and it seems, so can you.

I don't suppose we could even count the number of would-be Christians who have been turned away from Christianity by this absurd Trinity teaching.

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The trinity is a blinding smokescreen from the devil,it's the same subtle serpent who said”Has God really said?”That's not what He really meant-He really meant this-…

Good comparison. Accurate as well.

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Actually I spent a whole weekend and stayed up all night reading it and re-reading it right before I signed up here.It's excellent.It's what opened my eyes and got me to really seeking.I did a search on trinity after listening to a debate between James White and a oneness pentacostal,and found the article and this site.It was the spirit it was written in that kept me reading it and the more I read,the more I knew he was making valid points-that it was true.I've always intended to thank him and I will do that soon.

I was likewise led to this site through t8's writing on the Trinity Doctrine. He always makes such brilliant scriptural points.

October 6, 2012 at 6:11 pm#314885

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Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 06 2012,09:12)

What t8 fails to do is show verses where 'God the Father' or 'Father' would NOT fit as a substitution for 'God'

Naturally, if the “god” in question is not the Father, then “God the Father” would not fit as a substitution.

But how do you explain away all the verses he DID list?

October 6, 2012 at 6:38 pm#314888

Ed J

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Wen David was chosen and anointed by the prophet was he the new king or was he not
And yet he did not ruled as one ,right Yes

Good point, Pierre. Christ was born the savior of the world, although his actions as an infant hadn't yet saved anyone.

Hi Mike,

Yes, follow through on this logic, Jesus OFFICIALLY
became “The Christ” at his baptism with God's “HolySpirit”.
“calleth those things which be not [yet] as though they were.” (Rom.4:17)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 6, 2012 at 6:47 pm#314889

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 05 2012,22:59)

Wen David was chosen and anointed by the prophet was he the new king or was he not
And yet he did not ruled as one ,right Yes

Good point, Pierre. Christ was born the savior of the world, although his actions as an infant hadn't yet saved anyone.

Hi Mike,

Yes, follow through on this logic, Jesus OFFICIALLY
became “The Christ” at his baptism with God's “HolySpirit”.
“calleth those things which be not [yet] as though they were.” (Rom.4:17)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

tell me were does the will of God starts; IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH

October 6, 2012 at 7:04 pm#314890

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 06 2012,13:11)

Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 06 2012,09:12)

What t8 fails to do is show verses where 'God the Father' or 'Father' would NOT fit as a substitution for 'God'

Naturally, if the “god” in question is not the Father, then “God the Father” would not fit as a substitution.

But how do you explain away all the verses he DID list?

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Naturally, if the “god” in question is not the Father, then “God the Father” would not fit as a substitution.

Exactly and the 'god' in question on his list, naturally was usually God the Father or God in general so the understanding of “God the Son” would not fit as a substitution. The problem is that his list was biased towards the verses that typically only fit “God the Father” or God in general, so what does that prove? We know there are verses that only fit “God as the Son.” Those have to be reckoned with as well because they show another God/god.

He set out to prove that there is no other God besides the Father by excluding the verses that clearly point to the Son as being another God/god. I don't know why people cannot see this and think this test is soooo excellent. I suppose you have to want to only see that view and not look at it objectively. I'm trying to prove that the test is biased and therefore flawed and unable to prove anything except that people will accept a flawed test as proof when they want to.

I think that it also can indicate that the spirit that led t8 to all those verse was not the Holy Spirit of God but a deceptive religious spirit.

satan is like that with the scriptures he uses also. he will just use part of the truth sometimes/usually to try to sway us towards believing what he is suggesting is Biblical and the whole truth.

t8's test is deceptive, not on purpose likely, but nevertheless, it is deceptive and can lead many further from the truth that there is more than one God who is to be followed and to be served, to be praised, to be honored in the same way, to be believed in and to know.

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But how do you explain away all the verses he DID list?

Like I have said, there is God as the Father that fits those verses. But there is also God as the Son that fits other verses which weren't listed.

The list is biased! Throw out the test or fix it, imo.

October 6, 2012 at 7:29 pm#314896

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Scripture teaches that for us, there is but one God, the Father, and His holy Servant Jesus Christ – His Son.

I don't know of any scripture that mentions “God, the Son”. But by using the same logic you use to come up with “God, the Son”, we could also come up with “God Deborah, the Judge”, and “God Satan, the Manslayer”.

Kathi, there is but ONE Almighty God in existence. His name is YHWH, and He has a SON named Jesus. It is obvious to those of us not wearing blinders that if scripture calls Jesus the SON of the Most High God, then he is not the Most High God – but that One's Son.

October 7, 2012 at 4:13 am#314998

jammin

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why are you adding words T8 in the bible??
just believe what the bible says and forget the man made doctrine.

nice post sis kathi

October 7, 2012 at 4:15 am#315000

jammin

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truly the father has a SON.
and his son is also God by nature.
phil 2.6 john 1.1

not god but God!

so stop fooling people mike. Christ is not god but God.

oh i forgot. before you believe that Christ is god but now he is God to you but not GOD.
LOL

October 7, 2012 at 5:29 am#315041