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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2013,16:21)

I guess I'm missing the connection that says Jesus IS Jehovah.

Yeah, I keep missing them too and still haven't seen one.
I wonder if Kathi thinks why he was called Jesus. What is wrong with YHWH if that is his real name.

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 03 2013,21:32)

All throughout the prophets, Kathi.  Many times, after God let Israel be beaten down for her sins, He used similar language when referring to His coming vengeance against the nations that He let beat Israel down. Read Joel 3 for one such time.  (Verse 13 even has the metaphoric “grape” language.)

I asked you when did YHVH do the event listed in Isa 63, not when did He bring victory to a confrontation. Isa 63 has Him coming from Edom and Bozrah:

Isa 6
1Who is this coming from Edom,

from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson?

Edom and Bozrah represent Babylon and Babylon represents Rome, if I remember correctly.

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2013,16:21) I guess I'm missing the connection that says Jesus IS Jehovah. Yeah, I keep missing them too and still haven't seen one. I wonder if Kathi thinks why he was called Jesus. What is wrong with YHWH if that is his real name.

I have shown you but the wind has taken the seed from rocky soil over and over.

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Quote (t8 @ April 04 2013,02:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2013,16:21) I guess I'm missing the connection that says Jesus IS Jehovah. Yeah, I keep missing them too and still haven't seen one. I wonder if Kathi thinks why he was called Jesus. What is wrong with YHWH if that is his real name. I have shown you but the wind has taken the seed from rocky soil over and over.

Kathi

still not content with the scriptures the way we have it right

do you know that the scriptures truth can only be understood by truth in the heart

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Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2013,13:39)

Edom and Bozrah represent Babylon and Babylon represents Rome, if I remember correctly.

This is the first I'm hearing of such a thing. WHO SAYS Edom and Bozrah represent Babylon/Rome?

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Quote (t8 @ April 04 2013,02:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 29 2013,16:21) I guess I'm missing the connection that says Jesus IS Jehovah. Yeah, I keep missing them too and still haven't seen one. I wonder if Kathi thinks why he was called Jesus. What is wrong with YHWH if that is his real name. I have shown you but the wind has taken the seed from rocky soil over and over.

Kathi,

Please answer the bolded question in t8's post.

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Quote (Lightenup @ April 04 2013,13:39)

I asked you when did YHVH do the event listed in Isa 63, not when did He bring victory to a confrontation.

I wasn't trying to be flippant, Kathi. I just don't know that the event described in Is 63 IS an “end of times” event.

There is similar “IN THOSE DAYS” language all throughout the OT, and it usually doesn't refer to the “end of times”.

I will admit that I have a LOT of learning to do when it comes to the prophecies.

(t8 recently convinced me to switch from IE to Chrome as a browser – and I'm glad I did. But I find it funny that the Chrome spell-check tries to change your and Ed's “YHVH” to “YHWH”. )

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Chrome also tries to correct my spelling of Binity probably because it is such a rare word that not even Google thinks it is correct.

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I start to believe that Kathy is like a car salesman ,that as a rotten car to sell ,he knows but it does not stop him from trying to sell it to an unaware individual ,:D

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I start to believe that Kathy is like a car salesman ,that as a rotten car to sell ,he knows but it does not stop him from trying to sell it to an unaware individual ,:D

Yeah, trying to sell a used car with hidden rust.
But she get's no money for doing so.
Just the satisfaction of being able to sell it seems to be the motivation.
But nobody's buying it.

Reminds me of Satan. What reward does he get for selling lies to people?
Revenge? Whatever the cause, he is highly motivated.

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Quote (terraricca @ April 06 2013,17:59) I start to believe that Kathy is like a car salesman ,that as a rotten car to sell ,he knows but it does not stop him from trying to sell it to an unaware individual ,:D Yeah, trying to sell a used car with hidden rust. But she get's no money for doing so. Just the satisfaction of being able to sell it seems to be the motivation. But nobody's buying it. Reminds me of Satan. What reward does he get for selling lies to people? Revenge? Whatever the cause, he is highly motivated.

absolutely right

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I start to believe that Kathy is like a car salesman ,that as a rotten car to sell ,he knows but it does not stop him from trying to sell it to an unaware individual ,:D

Pierre,

From what I've read, Kathy is a real lady, and doesn't have spite in her heart. If she believes different to us, then you shouldn't demean her.

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Quote (terraricca @ April 06 2013,14:59) I start to believe that Kathy is like a car salesman ,that as a rotten car to sell ,he knows but it does not stop him from trying to sell it to an unaware individual ,:D Pierre, From what I've read, Kathy is a real lady, and doesn't have spite in her heart.  If she believes different to us, then you shouldn't demean her.

J42

wen you teach others ,you have to bear the consequences of your teaching if you preach the truth in scriptures you will have God on your side and always come on top,

if not ,truth will be given to you ,some times not the way you would like it ,but it is the truth anyway,

this story is years old with Kathy, I like her ,but I do not like some of her teachings because they are unscriptural

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Mark 8:33 
He turned, looked at his disciples and rebuked Peter, and said: “Get behind me, Satan, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.”

Perhaps Jesus should have also been a little “nicer” to Peter in this instance?

My emotions are divided about your comment, journey.

1.  Yes, you are right that we, as IMPERFECT Christians ourselves, should never demean others.

2.  On the other hand, Pierre, in his own way, is fighting the good fight – for the truth of scriptures over the doctrines of men.

3.  On a side note, I genuinely like Kathi.  Her and I go round and round about this “Jesus is God” thing – and we have for years.  Sometimes we even get a little nasty with each other. But I still like her and consider her an avid student of scripture – despite the fact she sometimes let's her own wishes overrule what those scriptures actually teach.

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 07 2013,15:47)

Mark 8:33  He turned, looked at his disciples and rebuked Peter, and said: “Get behind me, Satan, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.” Perhaps Jesus should have also been a little “nicer” to Peter in this instance? My emotions are divided about your comment, journey. 1.  Yes, you are right that we, as IMPERFECT Christians ourselves, should never demean others. 2.  On the other hand, Pierre, in his own way, is fighting the good fight – for the truth of scriptures over the doctrines of men. 3.  On a side note, I genuinely like Kathi.  Her and I go round and round about this “Jesus is God” thing – and we have for years.  Sometimes we even get a little nasty with each other.  But I still like her and consider her an avid student of scripture – despite the fact she sometimes let's her own wishes overrule what those scriptures actually teach.

Hi Mike

If you guys have been going on about this subject for years now, do you think anyone is going to budge? Has anyone made any progress?

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Quote (journey42 @ April 07 2013,10:28) Quote (terraricca @ April 06 2013,14:59) I start to believe that Kathy is like a car salesman ,that as a rotten car to sell ,he knows but it does not stop him from trying to sell it to an unaware individual ,:D Pierre, From what I've read, Kathy is a real lady, and doesn't have spite in her heart.  If she believes different to us, then you shouldn't demean her. J42 wen you teach others ,you have to bear the consequences of your teaching if you preach the truth in scriptures you will have God on your side and always come on top, if not ,truth will be given to you ,some times not the way you would like it ,but it is the truth anyway, this story is years old with Kathy, I like her ,but I do not like some of her teachings because they are unscriptural

Pierre

Well give her something solid then, as insults wont help. Don't take this personal. And if you run out of solid food, then walk away or else you will get bogged down.

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Quote (terraricca @ April 07 2013,15:46) Quote (journey42 @ April 07 2013,10:28) Quote (terraricca @ April 06 2013,14:59) I start to believe that Kathy is like a car salesman ,that as a rotten car to sell ,he knows but it does not stop him from trying to sell it to an unaware individual ,:D Pierre, From what I've read, Kathy is a real lady, and doesn't have spite in her heart.  If she believes different to us, then you shouldn't demean her. J42 wen you teach others ,you have to bear the consequences of your teaching if you preach the truth in scriptures you will have God on your side and always come on top, if not ,truth will be given to you ,some times not the way you would like it ,but it is the truth anyway, this story is years old with Kathy, I like her ,but I do not like some of her teachings because they are unscriptural Pierre Well give her something solid then, as insults wont help.  Don't take this personal.  And if you run out of solid food, then walk away or else you will get bogged down.

J42

why do you even ask me that question ,;Well give her something solid then,

you can bring a horse to the water but you can never make him drink it ,right you are probably acquainted with this saying ;

as I say before if you want to preach you have to stand for the consequences of your teaching ;if you teach some thing different from scriptures I will ask you questions ,and your answers will establish your view into the light of scriptures or in the darkness of men that have rejected the truth ,Mike pointed the scripture about Peter and Jesus and yet Jesus and Peter loved each other well displayed and documented in scriptures ,

now I do not put my authority upon her ,it is not for me to do so ,we all are facing the judgement of God ,but it would be in our own interest to be judged for preaching the truth rather than our own views over the truth of God what would make us being judged unfit for the kingdom,so if no one stands and face her and her wrong views ,and knows better then he would be guilty of not tell the sinner of his sin ,and so lose his own live as well (EZeK) but by telling that her view is wrong it is on her head not mine

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Quote (journey42 @ April 07 2013,18:28)

Pierre, From what I've read, Kathy is a real lady, and doesn't have spite in her heart.  If she believes different to us, then you shouldn't demean her.

Will we not know people by their fruits. She teaches falsely and teaches men to break the first commandment.

What gives a person the right to redefine YHWH? Nothing. YHWH reveals things about himself and we are very fortunate that he does that. What is holy is holy and God created us in his image. Not the other way round. Do we all have a free licence to create God in our image or imagine him from our own understanding and then teach others that in order to get them to follow?

It is the fallen nature of man that creates Gods from his own mind. This is why we see God's wrath against idols because they are gods made by men. And Elijah taunted the prophets of Baal for good reason because false gods and teaching false things about YHWH is not good for anyone.

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Quote (journey42 @ April 08 2013,04:29)

Pierre Well give her something solid then, as insults wont help.  Don't take this personal.  And if you run out of solid food, then walk away or else you will get bogged down.

You are obviously not aware of all the good arguments and scriptures that she has been given. In spite of that, she just adds words here and there, and cares not for the truth, but more about what her truth is.

In the end, when light is rejected, when scripture is rejected, then what is left to do? I will tell you. You can only laugh.

For example, if you gave her this scripture:

Jesus said, “I pray that they will know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent”. She will add the words, true God the Father, and then true God the son. But the scripture is not saying that. Thus what can you do but laugh at her answer. It is all that is left to do.

If she has no respect as a teacher, then there could be a legit reason as to why.

James 3:1
Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

If she wants respect, then she should stop teaching and do what it is that God intended for her to do. As a teacher no one gives her respect and for good reason.

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