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Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2013,11:31) Right on Keith. Last I looked, men do not have the same nature as a cow. The term 'cow' is an identity of sorts but within the cow barn, Old Betsie the cow is a different identity than Old Maggie, another cow, yet they are equally both cows. They both have the same strengths and weaknesses, generally speaking if they are both healthy. They both give white milk and they both jump over the moon…and the little dog laughed to see such a site.
I am glad that you understand that.who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
So whatever species Jesus is, we are too.
Thank you. It has been a long time, but you finally do understand the difference between identity and nature.
Maybe you took a break from drinking Babylon Juice today?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 24 2013,07:35) “Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;” 1Tim 6:15 So are you saying Paul was teaching there is more than one Lord?
Are you now claiming that this scripture is Jesus and not the Father?
You should believe all scripture t8 and not just a select few that fit into your doctrine!
WJ
Thanks WJ. Good to see you nailing your own coffin here. Saves me from doing it.You acknowledge that HIS in that scripture is the Father, I assume.
Maybe you also abstained from drinking false doctrine today? A moment of sobriety perhaps?
I think WJ and KATHi
Were bored away from good conversation and so try again to see it the seed of the weeds that they planted would some how have flourished ,:D
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 23 2013,23:28) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2013,11:31) Right on Keith. Last I looked, men do not have the same nature as a cow. The term 'cow' is an identity of sorts but within the cow barn, Old Betsie the cow is a different identity than Old Maggie, another cow, yet they are equally both cows. They both have the same strengths and weaknesses, generally speaking if they are both healthy. They both give white milk and they both jump over the moon…and the little dog laughed to see such a site.
I am glad that you understand that.who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
So whatever species Jesus is, we are too.
Thank you. It has been a long time, but you finally do understand the difference between identity and nature.
Maybe you took a break from drinking Babylon Juice today?
t8 thinks he is the same species as the Father and Son. Wow, it seems that he is the one tipping the wrong bottle of juice there. You should read the warning label, t8!2 Thess 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessnessb is revealed, the son of destruction,c 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 23 2013,23:19) Prepare yourselves Church. The Binitarians and Trinitarians are attacking us again.
Bring out the Word of God.
The cult leader of the church of three members feels attacked…keep it up guys!Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.
Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2013,22:58) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 23 2013,23:28) Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2013,11:31) Right on Keith. Last I looked, men do not have the same nature as a cow. The term 'cow' is an identity of sorts but within the cow barn, Old Betsie the cow is a different identity than Old Maggie, another cow, yet they are equally both cows. They both have the same strengths and weaknesses, generally speaking if they are both healthy. They both give white milk and they both jump over the moon…and the little dog laughed to see such a site.
I am glad that you understand that.who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
So whatever species Jesus is, we are too.
Thank you. It has been a long time, but you finally do understand the difference between identity and nature.
Maybe you took a break from drinking Babylon Juice today?
t8 thinks he is the same species as the Father and Son. Wow, it seems that he is the one tipping the wrong bottle of juice there. You should read the warning label, t8!2 Thess 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessnessb is revealed, the son of destruction,c 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
That is bearing false witness LU. Another commandment that we should not break.We have the same body as Jesus and he is the image of God in bodily form.
God is invisible, he is Spirit.
See you are wrong again.
Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2013,23:04) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 23 2013,23:19) Prepare yourselves Church. The Binitarians and Trinitarians are attacking us again.
Bring out the Word of God.
The cult leader of the church of three members feels attacked…keep it up guys!Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.
Ha ha. We are a cult because we collectively agree that there is one God the Father and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ who is the son of God and the messiah.Hey you better add Paul and Jesus into our cult too then.
And maybe your jealous because our supposed cult has many members with some of the highest caliber including Jesus, while yours has 1 and perhaps another 32 if you consider all time.
You really should lay of the Babylon Juice. It makes you drunk. And when you are drunk, you always appear different to others than you think you are in your own mind
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2013,01:36) Sons of Kings, Presidents, and Prime Ministers is not a good example of the Father and the Only Begotten Son because we are talking about “nature and identity” You are stuck on identity. But on the other hand all of them have one thing in common; their “nature” is that of a man.
Is “God” a title, like “President”? Or is “God” the name of a “nature”?Which one do you believe, Keith?
Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 24 2013,15:04) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 23 2013,23:19) Prepare yourselves Church. The Binitarians and Trinitarians are attacking us again.
Bring out the Word of God.
The cult leader of the church of three members feels attacked…keep it up guys!Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.
look ,no wander the devil disguise himself in a angel of truth ,and so are his servants ,any one that call the son of God other than the son ,or the WORD of God that was created the first of God creation ,and worship that creation commits a abomination in the eyes of God his father ,honor ,yes,respect yes, recognition yes,but under no condition RENDER THE WORSHIP DO TO HIS FATHER AND GIVE IT TO THE SON ,NOT EVEN MIX THEM TOGETHER AS SOME DO HERE ,
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2013,02:57) Oh that's right like the JWs you believe Jesus is an angel like the seraphim or something.
Well, Jesus IS a spirit messenger of his God, right? What other qualifications does one need to be what we in English call an “angel”?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2013,02:57) Well Mike then you do not believe that Jesus is the “Only Begotten Son of God” and that would mean you are not saved.
I actually DO believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. And as such, he was clearly BEGOTTEN by his God at some point in history.The rest of your post just shows some differences between Jesus and the OTHER spirit messengers of God. But I already know Jesus is different.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2013,02:27) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2013,21:40) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 21 2013,23:39) Of course the Son is not the Father!
And who does scripture says is our only God?1 Cor 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father……..Paul says our one God IS the Father.
Been down this road.If this scripture means that only the Father is God then it must also mean only Jesus is Lord!
WJ
Not at all, Keith. Paul is listing the HIERARCHY of our rulers. Read 1 Cor 8:6 in conjunction with 1 Cor 11:3,
Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.Do you see it now? God is the head OF our Lord Jesus Christ. And in this hierarchy, we have one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ.
Why didn't you address John 20:17? It was also in the post you quoted from me, right? In that verse, Jesus confirms 1 Cor 8:6 that our only God is also his God – and that God is “the Father”.
Do you believe the words of your Lord or not?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2013,11:22) Mike Believes Jesus nature and the angels nature is the exact same as the Fathers nature because they are spirits.
That's correct! God, Jesus, Satan, and all the spirit sons of God have the same nature: SPIRIT NATURE.But I believe Pierre was speaking about “good natured people” versus “bad natured people”.
Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2013,12:43) Quote So the dog(nature) Spot(identity) begets the dog(nature) Rover(identity). Is Rover less Dog than Spot? That is as easy as I can make it Mike. Can't help you see it more than that.
Yes Keith, that is pretty easy to understand! Nice one!!
I agree with you both that like begets like. It means that at one time, there was ONE “like”, and some time later, that ONE “like” beget a DIFFERENT “like”, right?So, using Keith's example, could you guys tell me which was living first: Spot or Rover?
(Obviously, the one who begat the other was alive first, right? Now, go take what you've learned here, and apply it to Jesus and the Father/God who brought him into existence as the first of His works.
)Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 23 2013,12:57) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 23 2013,12:32) Quote (Lightenup @ Sep. 26 2012,01:57) I agree with you William and I am glad that we agree together on the Nicene Creed and both understand the word 'catholic' as meaning universal and not Roman Catholic. I'm not sure, but I think that there are currently maybe four of us active here on HN that agree with the Nicene Creed. Maybe there should be another poll about it. Thanks for answering my question.
Kathi and all others,If my memory is correct the Nicene creed is not just Trinitarian as I do not believe it takes a stand on whether or not the Spirit is a separate person that is part of Yawheh.
The teaching that Yawheh is multiple persons that is one individual sounds more like a disorder than reasonable discovery/revelation. It is a break in the teaching that Jesus is God and God's Word cannot be broken.
Hi Kerwin,
I think you need to reread the Nicene Creed. It doesn't mention the Holy Spirit as a person nor does it teach that YHVH is one individual.Here it is in the traditional wording:
I believe in one God,
the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and of all things visible and invisible;And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only begotten Son of God,
begotten of his Father before all worlds,
God of God, Light of Light,
very God of very God,
begotten, not made,
being of one substance with the Father;
by whom all things were made;
who for us men and for our salvation
came down from heaven,
and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost
of the Virgin Mary,
and was made man;
and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried;
and the third day he rose again
according to the Scriptures,
and ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
and he shall come again, with glory,
to judge both the quick and the dead;
whose kingdom shall have no end.And I believe in the Holy Ghost the Lord, and Giver of Life,
who proceedeth from the Father [and the Son];
who with the Father and the Son together
is worshipped and glorified;
who spake by the Prophets.
And I believe one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church;
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;
and I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. AMEN.
I'm pretty sure the first Nicene Creed ended with, “And we believe in the Holy Spirit”, and left it at that.Kathi, according to the creed you posted, who alone is the maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible?
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 23 2013,22:16) You guys continue to blur the lines between God and his son.
Amen. Trinitarians have been doing this for centuries – sometimes with hilariously illogical results that make the rest of us roll our eyes in bewilderment.I mean, how could they take something so simple, and so clearly taught in scripture, and turn it into such a complex, confusing doctrine that even their own priests don't know how to explain it?
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 23 2013,22:28) who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body. So whatever species Jesus is, we are too.
1 John 3:2
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.If he is God, then perhaps WE will also be God.
2 Peter 1:4
…..that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.Now I'm sure of it!
How long we have to debate with the same clowns?
We have refuted them time and time again, and still they come with old and new tricks up their sleeves.
False teachers love to gatecrash truth parties.
That is one thing among others that I have learned here.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 26 2013,14:56) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 23 2013,22:16)
You guys continue to blur the lines between God and his son.Amen. Trinitarians have been doing this for centuries – sometimes with hilariously illogical results that make the rest of us roll our eyes in bewilderment.
It's just so embarrassing for them.
The Dark Ages displayed in people who live in the 21st century.Quote (t8 @ Jan. 26 2013,17:13) How long we have to debate with the same clowns?
We have refuted them time and time again, and still they come with old and new tricks up their sleeves.
False teachers love to gatecrash truth parties.
That is one thing among others that I have learned here.
t8Quote How long we have to debate with the same clowns? the forum is full of trinity quotes almost 200,000 of them and they come back with the same poor arguments believing that some how we would go their way into the lost and wast land of theirs
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 26 2013,05:13) How long we have to debate with the same clowns? False teachers love to gatecrash truth parties.
That is one thing among others that I have learned here.
Come help me in the “Beginning” thread, t8. Kerwin is currently on a mission to prove that the Holy Spirit of God is the “only begotten Son of God” – because God, for some reason, has TWO “only begotten Sons”.
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