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What does theophany mean? What is a Christophany?
https://www.compellingtruth.org/theophany-christophany.htmlMe: Christ was expressed in the OT as christophanies. Melchizedek was one of them. There is a good article on this below.
A Mystery Solved
The Identity of MelchizedekQuote: “Finally, the phrase “made like the Son of God” (“bearing the likeness of the Son of God,” REB) is further strong evidence of Melchizedek’s identity. He was “like” the Son of God because He was not yet, in actuality, the Son of God—that is, until He was later begotten by God the Father through the agency of the Holy Spirit”.
Me: Somebody as important as Melchizedek would have a genealogy—if he were a man. Notice, the appearance of Christ was know by Christopanies and dreams.
Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, ONE LIKE THE SON OF MAN came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Me: “one like unto the son of man” is the son of God fully now.
Quote: “The description “without father, without mother” means far more than just the supposition that Melchizedek’s family connections were simply omitted from the Genesis account. He had no physical human parents! In context, the phrase “having neither beginning of days nor end of life” makes that point crystal clear.”
Me: A permanent and real body of the seed of David through his mother’s lineage and the creation of the male chromosomes to make him a little lower than the angels.
Heb 10:9 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Me: The person speaking existed before his permanent body that was a christophany. He in fact was a spirit (mind of the holy spirit) expressed in Christopanies.
Hi All,
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Me: Christ was made a little lower than angels but higher than those descended from Adam. Again, his lineage came from his mother’s side.
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Me: Apparently death is passed on by the male chromosomes. Symbolically, the woman represents the church and her seed represents Christ first and the church through him. I will study the genealogy with you later.
Heb 1:1 God, who [a]at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets. 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had [c]by Himself [d]purged [e]our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 HAVING BECOME SO MUCH HIGHER THAN ANGELS, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Me: He has been made a lot higher than the angels after his resurrection and glorification with his father (Roman 1:4). Christ and his Father have the same unknown name now.
Hi All,
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/5-12.htm
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by ONE MAN sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, (Me: 1909, 3739) by which all have sinned1909. epi: on, upon
Original Word: ἐπί
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: epi
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ee’)
Definition: on, upon
Usage: on, to, against, ON THE BASIS OF, at.3739. hos, hé, ho, hé, ho: usually rel. who, which, that, also demonstrative this, that
Original Word: ὅς, ἥ, ὅ
Part of Speech: Relative Pronoun
Transliteration: hos, hé, ho
Phonetic Spelling: (hos)
Definition: usually rel. who, which, that, also demonstrative this, that
Usage: who, which, what, that.Me: Eve was deceived and ate of the fruit first, her husband was not deceived but ate of the fruit with his wife whom he loved. So by ONE MAN death was passed on to all men. This causes all humans to sin.
John 1:3 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Me: Holy and abundant (John 10:10) life produces righteous, death produces sin. On the other hand, when we follow the holy spirit and not the flesh, we have more life.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not…24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Me: We will be like Christ with a body like his (1 John 3:2).
Hi All,
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Me: The grievous sin of the fallen angels were to pollute pollute the human geno and produce a kingdom of nephiim to supplant the coming Kingeom of Christ. The kingdom of Christ was to occur through the holy spirit after the resurrecting of the righteous dead. The kingdom of the nephilim was to occur through human genes.
1 Thes 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
Me: This is God’s judgement.
Matt 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Me: It will be a surprise to many who are decieved.
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Me: I believe that people will take the nepilim as the kingdom of Christ as priests and kings under the man of sin proclaiming himself to be the Christ (2 Thes 2:2).
There will be a false Armageddon before that.
Hi All,
Article:
Aren’t the Genealogies of Jesus Given in Matthew and Luke Contradictory?
Aren’t the Genealogies of Jesus Given in Matthew and Luke Contradictory?
Quote: “The usual practice of a Jewish genealogy is to give the name of the father, grandfather, etc., of the person in view. Luke follows this pattern, and does not mention the name of Mary, but the name of the legal father. However, Luke is quick to add that Joseph is not, in reality, the father of Jesus, since Jesus had been virgin born (Luke 1:34, 35).
A literal translation of Luke 3:23 would be, “Jesus, when He began, was about thirty years old, being the son of Joseph, as it was thought, of Heli.… ” This does not at all mean that Jesus was the son of Heli, but that Jesus was a descendant, on His mother’s side, of Heli. The word “son” has this wider meaning
The purpose of the two genealogies is to demonstrate that Jesus was in the complete sense a descendant of David. Through His foster father, Joseph, He inherited—by law—the royal line, albeit a deposed line according to Jeremiah 22:28–30. More importantly through His mother He was a flesh and blood descendant of King David through David’s son Nathan. Thus, Jesus had the proper credentials for the throne of David.”
Hi All,
Genealogy of Jesus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_of_JesusMe: Focus on the bottom chart.
See below. Nathan did not have any biological children of his own. So the all the descendants of Nathan is from the seed of his brother Solomon. This is verified by Shealitiel being a descendant of both.
Quote: “At the end of the same letter, Africanus adds: “Matthan, a descendant of Solomon, begat Jacob. After the death of Matthan, Melki [must be: Matthat], a descendant of Nathan (me: according to the law, not biological) , begat Heli by the same woman. Therefore, Heli and Jacob must be uterine brothers (me: of the same mother but different father). Heli died childless; Jacob raised up his seed by begetting Joseph who was his son according to the flesh, and Heli’s son according to the Law. So, we can say that Joseph was the son of them both
— (Eusebius of Cesarea. The History of the Church, 1,7)
This error, however, is uncritical:The explanation offered by Africanus is correct, though he confused Melki with Matthat. The genealogy in Matthew lists births according to the flesh; the one in Luke is according to the Law. It must be added that the levirate links between the two genealogies are found not only at the end, but also in the beginning. This conclusion is obvious because both genealogies intersect in the middle at Zerubbabel, son of Shealtiel (see Mt 1:12-13; Lk 3:27). Nathan was the older brother; Solomon was younger, next in line after him (see 2 Sam 5:14-16; 1 Cron 3:5), therefore he was the first candidate to a levirate marriage (compare Ruth 3-4; Lk 20:27-33). The Old Testament is silent on whether Nathan had children, so we may very well conclude that he had none. Solomon, however, had much capacity for love: «And he had seven hundred wives, “princesses, and three hundred concubines» (1 Kings 11:3). So, in theory, he could have married Nathan’s widow. If this is so, Mattatha (me: In the chart: Matthat) is the son of Solomon according to the flesh and the son of Nathan according to the Law. In light of the above-mentioned circumstances, the differences between the two genealogies no longer present a problem.[44]
Me:
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda (descendant of Solomon); of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
correction of the second to last statement in regards to the letter above.
Did: If this is so, Mattatha (me: In the chart: Matthat) is the son of Solomon according to the flesh and the son of Nathan according to the Law.
“(me: In the chart: Matthat)” should not be in there.
Should have: If this is so, Mattatha is the son of Solomon according to the flesh and the son of Nathan according to the Law.
There were two sets of uterine brothers in the letter, one at the beginning and one at the end. I got a little confused.
Hi All,
There are two Adams, the one in Genesis and the one in 1 Corinthians 15:45
1 Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam (Christ) was made a quickening spirit.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
To continue:
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, (click on the links below: H1223 on account of) also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:2 Interlinear: in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages;Strong’s Greek: 1223. διά (dia) — through, on account of, because of
Me: This tells me that the Messiah had not existed prior to his birth because he did not speak to the prophets at all by the Messiah, but through his Word or expression. This expression was not expressed yet in the flesh of man. After Christ’s resurrection, he became the full expression of God (Revelation 19:12) of God.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Me: The Word of God is the expression of God. No one has every and can every hear or see God (1 Timothy 6:16). We see and hear God through the expression of himself. In the OT, the son of God did not exist. It was not until the Word was expressed in the human Christ born of man do we have the term “son of God” referring to man. Christ did not become the son of God fully until after his resurrection and glorification. There is no son of God or God the son in the OT. Why, because the son of God did not exist until after his resurrection and glorification.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=son+of+God&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten (me: birth) thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten (Colossians 1:18) into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Only in Daniel 3:25 do we have “one LIKE the son of God pertaining to the Messiah to be born from the womb of Mary. This was a theophany or more specifically a Christophany.
What does theophany mean? What is a Christophany?
https://www.compellingtruth.org/theophany-christophany.html
Revelation 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no MAN in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no MAN was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Me: The son of man together with his Father is God (Revelation 21:22-23). God is divine and was expressed fully in his temple, the Messiah. As was elaborated earlier, the first Adam had died in his spirit mind or this aspect of his mind that relates to God (Luke 9:60}. Yet he also had a human mind. The Messiah was born with his spirit mind intact. His father is expressed fully in him. The father in turn has a human mind. This is the Messiah fully expressed in him (John 14:10).
Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead:…
John 14:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Hi All,
Eccl 3: 17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work. 18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Eccl 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Me: All of man is made of the dust (Genesis 3:19), that includes his human spirit. It returns to the elements from which it is made from (Ezekiel 37:9, Genesis 4:10) just like the beasts do.
Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Me: The spirit that goes up to God is the holy spirit with the heart of Christ in it (2 Corinthians 5:8). It is the new generation of man descended from the new Adam, Christ.
Hi All,
Me: Christ is called Immanuel because God was truly expressed fully in the Messiah. God is not with man until Revelation 21:3. He was fully expressed from heaven in the Messiah when he was on earth. The Messiah then became glorified together with his father (John 17:3 below) . Then the Messiah came to earth again in Revelation 21:3)
John 17:3 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Me: The word or expression of God in Christ was with God at the beginning of creation (John 1:1), not as Jesus (John 1:14).
1. The divine mind of God without the Word or expression of himself is God. For the Word of God was expressed in the beginning (John 1:1) and was the instrument in creation.
2. The expression of God himself or word of God plus the divine mind of God = God (John 1:1).
3. The human mind of the Messiah plus the divine mind of his father = God.
The Word became flesh. God expressed himself in the human mind of the Messiah (John 1:14) and not a theophany in the OT..
4. The human mind of the Messiah without the divine mind of his father is NOT God.
http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/trinity.htm
Quote: “Elohim is known in Hebrew grammar as A PLURAL OF MAJESTY. It is derived from the Hebrew verb “el” meaning, “strength,” and thus elohim amplifies the meaning of strength (el). In Hebrew, the literal rendering of elohim would read, “The strongest strength” or even, “the strongest of the strong.” To introduce the polytheistic concept of the Trinity into the monotheistic Hebrew scripture by twisting the meaning of elohim is ignorance, dishonesty or outright deception…
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them. (KJV) Notice the personal pronouns in Genesis 1:27 (“his” and “he”) are all SINGULAR, whereas the personal pronouns in Genesis 1:26 (“Us” and “Our”) are all plural. In Genesis 1:27 only one individual is actually doing the creating…God!Isa 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Me: The Word was in the beginning with God, not Jesus. Christ became fully the Word of God at his resurrection and glorification. He is now the complete expression of his Father.
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Hi All,
The Messiah is part of the holy spirit.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
2 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
The Father is part of that spirit.John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Me: Bottom line, there is one holy spirit (Ephesians 4:4) which has the mind of God and the human mind of the Messiah in it.
Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Me: So John 4:24, 16:13 refer to the mind of the father. The mind is of the spirit and is spirit. 2 Corinthians 3:17 refers to the human mind of Christ in the same spirit. The son bonds with the father. The church members become one with the human mind of Christ in that same spirit.
Hi TC,
It is good to see how you continue to read scripture and when things don’t fit with your previous held belief you are open to change your belief. I have changed my stance on things also through the years from more in depth study of the bible.
I understand “THE WORD” differently from you.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
You:“with God” shows subordination.
ME: I don’t see it that way, I see “with” as representing something carried in you, that then reflects your actions.
You know this expression TC?
“your word is your bond”, which means your word is a promise you intend to keep.
Think about it for a minute, would you please TC.
You have given your word, you have given a promise, that promise is not fulfilled, so as you intend to keep your promise your actions are thus based on your word where you are working to fulfill that word.
Your actions occur because that word or promise is WITH you. If that word or promise leaves you then your actions no longer are working to fulfill your word.
If your word or promise you gave is no longer with you, then you become a liar. If your word however remains WITH you, then your actions reflect your word and as long as your word is in your power to fulfill, your word that has been with you will become true.
Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
God’s word before the beginning of time was eternal life for mankind. If this word did not remain WITH God He would be a liar, and His actions, and His work would not reflect His word.
Praise be to God that His word that He gave before time on earth began is still WITH Him, and we can read of His actions that bring forth His word to fulfillment.
Now eternal life does not come without righteousness. If God is promising eternal life, He is promising righteousness.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word (righteousness), and the Word (righteousness) was with God, and the Word (righteousness) was God.
God’s word is righteous,
God’s word is a promise of righteousness
God’s word of His promise of righteousness has been WITH Him since before the world was, and it has remained WITH Him, or else He would be a liar, and His work would not reflect His word.
Thankfully God IS righteousness and therefore His word is likewise.
TC
Isaiah 11, 42, 45, and 61 is God’s word, and that word became true in the flesh of Jesus of Nazareth.
God is righteous, His word is righteous, His promises are righteous, and His promise revealed to Isaiah that had been WITH God since before time on earth began, was to call a man to righteousness and direct all his ways.
How could God promise eternal life before the world was without a promise likewise to call the son of Jesse to righteousness?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.What we are reading above is of Isaiah 42, which IS God’s word of righteousness that was in the beginning before the world was. The Son of Man called to righteousness for to be a LIGHT was the SAME as God’s WORD in the beginning, this man was IN God’s word from the beginning. This man and the Word of God are one and the same thing, as God’s WORD from the beginning was a promise of righteousness, eternal life for mankind, which comes through the Son of Jesse. We do not have eternal life without this man, when God promised eternal life, in that word of God was the man Jesus who God would anoint and send out into the world to be made perfect and become our source for eternal life.
1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
God’s WORD from the beginning made true in the flesh of Jesus, it could not fit more perfectly, as God’s word from the beginning was to call a human to righteousness for to be a light, a savior for all people.
God made heaven and earth and man. God gave man the breath of life and a spirit to walk therein. When God made heaven and earth and man, as He says ALONE, by Himself, He knew that man could do nothing of himself. God knew that man needs God’s Spirit, that for a man to be righteous and worthy of obtaining eternal life God had to call him to righteousness, God had to have His Spirit abode upon him and direct all his ways, instructing him in all things.
The HIM of John 1 is all according to prophecy, God’s word that had been with God before time on earth began.
the HIM is ONE OF the BRETHREN,
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Don’t turn away from God’s word and invent your own understanding, the truth is given directly to you. The world was made through him, the world was made through HIM that IS THE LIGHT, that LIGHT is one of the brethren, the LIGHT is the son of Jesse who God called to righteousness for to be a LIGHT. He is a LIGHT because God directs all his ways, he is a light because he received God’s Spirit not by measure.
God created all things through/BY REASON of him who is the LIGHT, by reason of him and FOR him. God would not have made all things if it were not for him, the seed of David who God would raise up to be a savior, the seed of David who God would anoint to fulfill all of His will, for God would give him glory like no other from among the people. As God had promised David concerning his son that He would beget him and He would make him into his firstborn son, the highest of the kings.
John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God…
..45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. 46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. 47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! 48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. 50 Jesus answered and said unto him,Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. 51 And he saith unto him,Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
The Son of God as the King of Israel, this is of direct prophecy God’s promise that the angel speaks of also in Luke 1,
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.
TC John 1 is all about prophecy fulfilled, this chapter speaks of multiple prophecies all throughout the OT, prophecies concerning a human that would come. God’s WORD from the beginning, that WORD is the SAME as the MAN JESUS called to righteousness for tobe a LIGHT to all people.
Without that LIGHT God would not have made all things, God made all thing through and for that LIGHT. That LIGHT is a human called to righteousness, that LIGHT would not exist without God’s calling.
Hi TC,
YOU:Christ was made a little lower than angels but higher than those descended from Adam. Again, his lineage came from his mother’s side.
ME: What you say is FALSE, this is truly BAD FORM you have CHANGED the written word of God.
Psalm 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: 7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field; 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas. 9 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
Hebrews 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
TC you say that Christ was made a little lower than the angels this is backward!
You have a human who God is mindful of and visits and makes that human a little lower than the angels. This is a MAN being set apart/anointed through God visiting him and making him a little lower than the angels, NOT an anointed one having God be mindful of an anointed one and visiting this anointed one and making this anointed one lower than the angels.
Let’s get that STRAIGHT.
God promised to visit the son of Jesse,
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
As we are told God visited Jesus of Nazareth, He was WITH him, God anointed a human of the seed of Jesse.
Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
TC God’s angels are His Sons, they are led by the Spirit and they do the will of God, they fulfill God’s will. Jesus had God’s Spirit visit him, an anointing, a calling to righteousness to fulfill all of God’s will, being fully led by God’s Spirit, doing God’s will, he was a Son of God also like the angels.
God’s angels are immortal they cannot die, Jesus tells us that we are to be made like the angles no longer able to die. Jesus was born again, God visited him and made him a Son, however he was not made immortal at that time, the Christ would be made of the seed of Abraham, Jesse, and David, he would be mortal but set apart having God direct all his ways, thus be a Son of God being fully led by God’s Spirit.
Jesus was to condemn sin in the flesh, Jesus was to overcome, Jesus was to destroy the enmity, Jesus was to break the bondage of the fear of death.
Though he were a Son of God he was a man that was in all ways tempted as we are tempted, he feared death, he even asked God to “take this cup” from him. Though he were a Son yet God had him learn obedience through suffering, God tested his faith commanding him to die on the cross. God in Jesus made His power known, the power of His Spirit and what it accomplishes in a man, Jesus broke the bondage of the fear of death, he overcame, and God considered this as making Jesus perfect, and having been made perfect he became our source for eternal life.
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death”
God made Jesus a Son of God, one who is fully LED by God’s Spirit, for the purpose of the suffering of death, for the purpose to destroy the bondage of the fear of death, for an example where God proves His power over that of weak mortal flesh. Because Jesus condemned sin in the flesh he was not worthy of death, God raised him from the dead. The purpose of all this was to build our faith in God, if we believe in the operation of God, His powerful Spirit and the work it has upon a man, we too shall be made perfect and receive eternal life.
Hi TC,
You error in your understanding of Melchisedec.
Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
When Jesus was born again, made a Son of God, he was still mortal, he was still like his brethren of weak flesh able to be tempted. If he was not then he wouldn’t have reconciled us, because the reconciliation comes through him condemning sin in the flesh.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 7 explains the order of Melchisedec how it is different then the order of the Levitical priesthood.
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16 Who is MADE, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
The order of the priesthood came not by mother or father or descendent, not the man himself came without a father or a mother and didn’t have descendants. You are directly told in this chapter that the lord Jesus sprang out of the tribe of Judah.
The priesthood of the lord Jesus was by an order NOT LIKE that of the order of the Levitical priesthood, as that priesthood is according to your mother, father, your descendants.
Jesus was MADE a priest after the power of an endless life. Jesus is a king of righteousness and a king of peace according to Isaiah 11, 42, 45, and 61. A human God called to righteousness to bring forth reconciliation and peace. That calling is ACCORDING to the Holy Spirit, the fruits thereof that God chooses to give according to His mercy. That calling brought forth a man made perfect through suffering and thus having no sin being obedient to God going to the cross he was deserving of an endless life. He DIED and God quickened his spirit and didn’t allow his body to see decay, he rose from the dead receiving the PROMISE of the Holy Spirit for all eternity, receiving the mercies God had promised unto David. That promise was to beget David’s son making him His Son for all eternity, that promise was David’s son would be made God’s firstborn of many brethren, made a king of kings and a lord of lords, bringing peace through destroying all enemies.
Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. ..30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
TC, Jesus was raised up because he condemned sin in his flesh, he was able to do that because God called him, the son of Jesse, to righteousness where God promised to hold his hand, direct all his ways and he would not fail in fulfilling all of God’s commands. Unlike the Levitical priesthood his sacrifice was for all sins and no more sacrifices need thus ever be made by the Levitical priests, as Jesus reconciled all sins for all people.
Let’s go back to this verse,
Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
The passage does not say he was made into a human, he wasn’t made into one of the brethren, the passage says he was one of the brethren and then he was made like his brethren.
When Jesus had God visit him, rest his Spirit upon him, AN ANOINTING, it was a calling to righteousness where Jesus would be LED by God’s Spirit in all things, and thus he was a Son of God, like the angels who likewise are LED by God’s Spirit and follow God’s orders. But Jesus did not take on the nature of angels, he was the Christ as the promised seed of Abraham, Jesse, and David, therefore his nature was that of a mortal human, and as Jesus was made the Christ, the anointed one/set a part to deliver captives, set apart to reconcile the world to God, he was like his brethren where he was tempted in all things like us.
Jesus the Son of Man one of the brethren, when he was anointed, when he was called to righteousness, when God begat him with His Spirit without measure making him a Son by directing all his ways, prophecy concerning Abraham’s seed was fulfilled.
The Christ, the Son of God would come from/out of Abraham’s seed, same as Paul says that the Son of God came from/out of David’s seed. Jesus being the seed of Abraham, Jesse, and David, according to being of the GENESIS and STOCK of Joseph, the betrothed husband of Mary, he was the one promised to be made into God’s Son, and Paul tells us that Jesus of the seed of David is God’s Son according to the Spirit. Jesus tells us that Spirit resting upon him was an anointing, Chrio made into the Christos.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ…18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man….
…16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
He took on him the seed of Abraham, meaning the human JESUS took on him the promise of being made the Christ, as that is WHO the seed of Abraham was promised to be.
Verse 16 is telling us that when Jesus was made a Son of God he took not on the nature of angels being made immortal, he was made lower, he took on the fulfillment of God’s promise, he was made into the Christ, he took on him the promise according to the seed of Abraham.
Jesus was not made into a human of the stock of Abraham, Christ was not made into a human of the stock of Abraham, Jesus was of the stock of Abraham and was the seed of prophecy who would receive the PROMISE. DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE? There are many descendants of Abraham but only one would be made the Christ. Galatians tells us that there is but ONE SEED of Abraham that is to be the Christ, first you have to be of the seed of Abraham then you are chosen to receive the PROMISE, to be set apart from your brethren.
Jesus, the Son of Man, was set apart/anointed TO fulfill all God’s will, to condemn sin in the flesh, and in order to do so he needed to be like his brethren tempted in all things as we are tempted, live in the bondage of the fear of death, so that he could overcome that bondage. He was made like his brethren in that he suffered death like his brethren, he was made into a sinner by the people, being put to grief, mocked and beaten, numbered WITH TRANSGRESSORS as if he was one of them, though there was no sin found in him.
This Jesus was raised from the dead and according to the order of the priesthood of Melchisedec, he was MADE a priest according to that order, which is nothing like that of the order to the Levitical priesthood. Jesus was raised after the power of an endless life, he was raised given the promised Holy Spirit, given the promised mercies of David, to sit on David’s throne according to the flesh for all eternity, being a lord of lords and a king of kings, a righteous priest not by him judging by his own eyes and ears but because the Holy Spirit is upon him where it will never be removed, always being led by God in all things.
To All,
Jesus would still tell us today and he will forever tell us that he does nothing of himself. This is because as when he was mortal and as he is now having been raised incorruptible, he is still a HUMAN with God’s Spirit working in him. It was Jesus’s human spirit that was made perfect and then God gave him a perfect body to go with it, as he received a body unable to tempt him away from following and serving God. Jesus overcame the bondage and God raised him setting him free from it.
When Jesus went to the cross his human spirit displayed his faith and thus his service to God over that of his weak mortal flesh. Jesus fulfills the truth spoken in Deuteronomy 8, that “man cannot live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of God’s mouth.” Such is exactly what Jesus did and it is what brought him to his eternal life. Man cannot live after serving the weak flesh, he will sin and he will die, those who love their lives will loose it. Jesus went to the cross having faith in God’s word, faith in God’s promises that were given to David concerning him. Through God’s Spirit giving Jesus strength, through God’s Spirit teaching Jesus, giving him Knowledge and Fear of the LORD, Jesus was able to overcome his weak flesh and his own will that is drawn to serve that weak flesh. Jesus condemned sin in the flesh because God perfected his human spirit, building unrelenting faith in Jesus.
Jesus as he sits at God’s right hand as the Son of Man, he is a human with a human spirit that follows God in all ways, as he trusts in God in all things and knows not to ever rely on his own understanding, not to let the heart of his own imagination establish truth or direct his ways. He has a body of flesh that is incorruptible, it is of power and glory, not of weakness and dishonor, there is no temptation, the body does not need to serve itself in order to live, it is a body that is free to serve God.
Isaiah’s prophecies are not completely fulfilled. Jesus will return and he judges not by his own eyes and ears, he judges through God directing all his ways, he judges through God’s righteousness.
Such is why Jesus would say today, tomorrow, and when he returns that he does nothing himself.
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
God is to be ALL IN ALL, every human spirit will be like that of Jesus’s human spirit, a human spirit that has faith in God where it follows God in all things as God directs all his ways. We will dwell on earth as God planned from the beginning, living as righteous humans having dominion over all the earth, all creatures great and small that will no longer be wild. Mankind no longer living in fear, but living in God’s image, having the fruits of His Spirit upon us,” love, joy, peace, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance, kindness, meekness, against such there is no law.”
Christ is the man of these fruits raised to eternal life first, receiving the promised Holy Spirit where the fruits thereof are never removed, they are given eternally to dwell within. As he is an eternal heir of God, we are promised to be joint heirs with him being an heir of God, also given the fruits to dwell within for eternity.
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