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Hi Jodi,
You: I just read all of 1 Peter 1 and then read Romans 8, they speak directly against your doctrine.
Me: you have quoted nothing I have said in this post and the next post. Then you claim to answer me.
Prov 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
Hi Jodi,
You:
1 Peter 1:1, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers (me: 1290. diaspora) scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
You: This doesn’t seem to fit with your doctrine TC.
Me: What doctrine? You didn’t even give your understanding on it. Anyway, I will give my understanding on it. Paul was the apostle to the gentiles. Peter on the hand was the apostle to the chosen of the diaspora.
https://biblehub.com/greek/1290.htm
1290. diaspora: a dispersion (Israelites in Gentile countries)
New American Standard Bible1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside (1290) as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen. 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be (Me: 313:BORN in a new life) to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
313. anagennaó
Usage: I beget again, beget into a new life.
This corresponds with:Young’s Literal Translation
John 3:7 ‘Thou mayest not wonder that I said to thee, It behoveth you to be born from above (509. anóthen);Me: Actually, 509. anóthen can be rendered either born again or born from above. Born above fits more in line with 1 Peter 1:3 whereas born again fits in more with John 3:7.
Hi Jodi,
You:
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Me:
A better translation:https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/8-19.htm
New American Standard Bible
Romans 8;19 For the anxious longing of the CREATION waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the CREATION was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope. 21 that the CREATION itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.Me; Like us, the animals with breath as their life will be changed incorruptible.
1 Cor 15:29 Else what shall they do which are BAPTIZED FOR THE DEAD, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
Me: We are baptized so we as the sons of God can deliver the whole non human creation from death. The sons of God will have complete dominion over the creatures (Gen 1:26). They do not repent and be baptized. We are not baptized for other people (Matt 25:8-9). It is through man being born again that the whole non-human animal kingdom will be saved. There will be one spirit in all—the holy spirit (Eph 4:4) All truly worship God by the holy spirit.
New International Version
1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Me: In the end, no one can say Jesus is TRUELY Lord but by the holy spirit. There will be only one spirit–the holy spirit (Eph 4:4)
Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
1 Cor 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be ALL IN ALL.
Me: All the creatures in heaven and earth will worship the Messiah through the spirit of God which will be all. There will be only one spirit or life force throughout the universe—the holy spirit (Eph 4:4), All will be in all through the holy spirit.
Prov 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
Me: I’ve had a yellow lab and golden retriever. I had loved them to pieces. I know what is like to be close to them. So probably does Anthony and Dig for Truth.
New International Version
Matt 19:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care.Jodi:
Please tell me what these verses mean:
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Matt 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven
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Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR.Jodi
The problem I perceive about you and Gene are that you refuse to believe anything that would be in contradiction to what you have already posted. Gene has acknowledged me to have changed or modified my posts somewhat. Then he put a spins on it like I have changed many things, which I have not but have modified only one or two. One would be did the Word exist from eternity, did he exist from just before the creation of the universe but existed in the bosom of God from eternity? I am willing to change my view points on scripture if I receive added light from whatever the source. You and Jodi will not. So the churches of the world are like minded. A lot of churches when they have received a new revelation to refute their own understanding, they will not change it, especially if they have been teaching error or near error for centuries. This is because they have too much pride and vanity to do so. Their empire would crumble. Let the truth take the low road. So God will not give them any new revelation. They are dead in the water.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/hebrews/5-9.htm
New American Standard Bible
Heb 5:9 And having been made (5048 complete), He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,https://biblehub.com/greek/5048.htm
5048. teleioóto bring to an end, to complete, perfect
Usage: (a) as a course, a race, or the like: I complete, finish (b) as of time or prediction: I accomplish, (c) I make perfect; pass: I am perfected.Matt 5:48 (KJV) Be ye therefore perfect (5048), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect (5048),.
Weymouth New Testament
Matt 5:48 You however are to be complete (5048), in goodness, as your Heavenly Father is complete (5048),.Me: Which rendition of Matt 5:48 makes more sense? Are we to become perfect as God. Are we to become as good as him.
New American Standard Bible
Phil 2:2 make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose.Me: Our heavenly father is completed in us, united with him. We are complete in him.
Hi Jodi,
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect (2005 complete) by the flesh?
Strong’s Concordance
2005. piteleó: to complete, accomplish
Original Word: ἐπιτελέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: epiteleó
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ee-tel-eh’-o)
Definition: to complete, accomplish
Usage: I complete, accomplish, perfect.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from epi and teleó
Definition
to complete, accomplishMe: Is anyone made perfect in the flesh? Was Christ made as perfect as his father in the flesh? We are made complete in the spirit. Christ was not made perfect or in the flesh.
Hi TC,
You : The IMAGE OF GOD EXISTED FROM ETERNITY and is the Expression of God. The image of God existed as the WORD OF GOD and was responsible for all creation and revelation. It still is. It is the image of the MIND OF GOD.
ME: God exists with Powers, His Spirit is the source of all truth and righteousness, His Spirit is Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge, it is love, patience, kindness, generous, sympathy, forgiveness..etc..
Man is a creature that God is mindful of, He visits him, He instructs him, He has mercy on him, He shares with man His Wisdom, His Understanding, His love, His kindness, etc.. it enters our hearts and minds and we are able to do good by it. Such is why Jesus calls him OUR Father, as in his Father and my Father.
YOU:
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is NO LAW. 24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Jodi tell me, had the prophets crucified their flesh without the advent of Christ? First of all, please answer yes or no. I say no. The prophets had NOT crucified the flesh. Only after Pentecost has the baptism of the holy spirit done that.
Were the prophets under the law? Are we under the law? Please answer yes or no (hint read Gal 5:22 above).
The prophets could follow the holy spirit but without the human mind and soul of Christ in it. They could not resurrect from the dead with Christ until Pentecost.ME: TC, at Pentecost men received the promise of the Holy Spirit to be sent out into the world to preach the Gospel of God, to perform signs and miracles, bringing people into repentance and faith. Such is why Jesus said that as he was sent his brethren were sent out. THIS promise of receiving the Holy Spirit is not the same as as the promise of eternal life. Paul as an apostle who received of the Holy Spirit to be an apostle, had FAITH and HOPE to become a JOINT heir of God with Christ, that he would also receive the same glory that Jesus received. The apostle Paul ALSO teaches us, “13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
If Christ is in us, the one who condemned sin in the flesh through God’s calling of him to righteousness, then we mortify the deeds of our flesh and desire to have sin no more. We know that it takes God’s Spirit, that no man can follow the law through himself, and we desire that Spirit that was in Christ, to be in us, we looked to Christ and desire his life that God has given him.
The prophets saw the resurrection of Jesus and knew that it meant their own resurrection. This resurrection occurs as we are directly told in multiple places, at the second coming of Jesus. As Hebrews 11 tells you those of the OT long before Jesus died and was raised again to life, those who were of FAITH in God it is counted to them as righteousness, deserving of the promise of which they will all receive together when the Son of Man returns in his glory.
The PURPOSE of Jesus the Christ was to establish FAITH in the One True God TC, if the prophets were given God’s Gospel of which Jesus was IN that word of God, and they are said to have FAITH, their faith is true from believing in that Gospel and thus they are worthy of receiving the PROMISE of the Spirit, to be fully led by the Spirit and thus not be worthy of death, and thus be a Son of God.
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
The glory of Jesus is OUR SAME glory TC, we look to Christ to see what God will do in us through His Spirit that was in Jesus. For the END that was declared FROM the beginning was that God would be ALL in ALL. Jesus IS the firstborn of many brethren.
Hi Jodi,
You have produced a lot of words but with little understanding.
You: The PURPOSE of Jesus the Christ was to establish FAITH in the One True God TC, if the prophets were given God’s Gospel
Me: You miss the whole purpose of Christ. The purpose of Christ was to die for our sins. In the baptism of the holy spirit, we die and resurrect with him in our human minds. We receive a heart of the human mind and soul of Christ. That was his whole purpose. The saints of old died not receiving that PROMISE until Christ died and was resurrected from the dead and gloried for us.
You: of which Jesus was IN that word of God, and they are said to have FAITH, their faith is true from believing in that Gospel and thus they are worthy of receiving the PROMISE of the Spirit, to be fully led by the Spirit and thus not be worthy of death, and thus be a Son of God.
Me:
No, the Word was in God, not God was in the Word.
Col 1:15 (NKJV) He is the image of the invisible God (me: John 1:1-2 above) , the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by (me: or IN) Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, whether thrones or dominions or [e]principalities or [f]powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
John 1 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Eternal Word1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the WORD WAS GOD 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [a]comprehend it
Me: God created all things, visible and invisible through his Word which has become one with the humanity of Christ and is IN CHRIST. God created our salvation through Christ.
John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal (me: or one) with God. 19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. 20 For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel. 21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
Me: We should honor the son as God just as much as we honor the father as God. God does all things through his son who was the Word prior. The Word of God is fully in the son of God. The Word is the express image of the mind of God.
Hi Jodi,
You still have not stated what you think the below means to you.
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Matt 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR.
Hi TC,
Humans are called all sorts of things in the bible, when we sin we are called brute beasts. When we lie or are deceitful we are called a serpent or viper. Humans are called lions, and dogs among other creatures. Humans are called stars, trees, roots, stumps.
God is LIGHT it is symbolic of His righteousness, if we are called to righteousness we take on that light and are like the stars in heaven.
You take words out of scriptures and say they mean something that is against the direct word given in other passages. All you do TC is make scripture into lies.
Jesus is the firstborn human from the dead of many brethren, he is the Last Adam OF THE RED EARTH, his FLESH was not allow to see decay BECAUSE he had condemned sin in his flesh, his flesh remained PURE, that flesh was deserving of being made incorruptible, and God WOULD NOT ALLOW to DECAY for a REASON, it was PURE, made PERFECT.
Paul tells you in 1 Corinthians 15, Jesus was RAISED in HIS GLORY, the glory of a human having eternal life.
Jesus is still of the offspring of David, he is still a human of the genes of David, genes are made up of the elements of the RED EARTH, we are a magnificent creation of God. God from the beginning wanted to call man, who He made in His own image, to righteousness. God doesn’t want to change what type of creature we are and make us into a different kind of creature, He wants to make us into a NEW man, a new human, one that follows Him without missing a mark, a perfect man.
Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and GLORY.
MAN – anthropos –a human being, whether male or female
If Jesus were to return you would fore sure DENY him, as you have made the TRUE CHRIST as your antichrist.
Hi Jodi,
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.Me: Spirit body means a body of the holy spirit.
Hi Jodi,
Your explanation is not holy but full of holes. It doesn’t hold water.
Matt 17:1 (NKJV) Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured (3339) before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, [a]let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” … 9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the VISION to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.”
Me: This is a VISION of what is to occur of Christ, Moses , Elijah of what our bodies will be like at the resurrection of our bodies. .
Strong’s Concordance
3339. metamorphoó
to transform
Original Word: μεταμορφόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metamorphoó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-am-or-fo’-o)
Definition: to transform
Usage: I transform, transfigure.
HELPS Word-studies
3339 metamorphóō (from 3326 /metá, “change after being with” and 3445 /morphóō, “changing form in keeping with inner reality”) – properly, transformed after being with; transfigured.
[3339 (metamorphóō) is the root of the English terms “metamorphosis” and “metamorphize.”]
met•a•mor•pho•sis
/ˌmedəˈmôrfəsəs/
noun1. (in an insect or amphibian) the process of transformation from an immature form to an adult form in two or more distinct stages.
o a change of the form or nature of a thing or person into a completely different one, by natural or supernatural means.Me; could an ordinary man have transform himself like the Messiah in Matt 17:2?
This was a vision of what would occur at the resurrection of the body into a new body.A Glorious Body
1 Cor 15:35 (NKJV) 35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” 36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.Matt 9:17 Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins [f]break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”
Me: Your body that the saints will receive are bodies that reflect their inner characters. It is the body of the seed of the holy spirit in them, not the seed of the spirit that pervades the animal kingdom that will die. We receive need wine in our spirit minds and a new wineskin to hold it.
Luke 21:18 (NKJV) But not a hair of your head shall be lost.
Me: Our old bodies die, but we inherit new bodies in the spiritual image of the old.
Hi All,
I believe that there is only one God. I do not believe in the trinity as Jodi and Gene outright lie about. They know better. The word eschad can mean either one in number, or it can be a plurality in substance, depending on the context. Yachid, on the other hand can only mean a singular God, period.
Duet 6:4 Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God is one (eschad) YHWH:
Me: The argument from a Christian prospective is why would not the verse use Yachid if it meant absolute one in number period. There have been accusations that Yachid was changed eschad by the apologetics and that the Jews had to change it back in their oral traditions to solidify the belief in monotheism. There is no proof of this change. Yet according to their oral traditions which was later composed in written form in the Talmud and others, they describe their true messiah as still yet to come in word of eschad but in belief of yachid. They belief that God is one in substance of many parts, i.e. wisdom, power, holiness, etc. and not one of more than one person.
I believe in both. Yahweh is one God who expresses or reveals himself through the Word first and then the Messiah. Thus he is absolutely one and also one in substance with his revelation. Both are definitions of eschad. Thus, the “spirit of fear of YHWH” in Isa 11:2 is the human mind of Christ in YHWH.
Hi All,
1 Tim 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amien
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_timothy/1-17.htmMe: There is no “only wise God” in the Greek text. So let us leave it out although it may be true. But there is “only one God”. The king James version would have you believe that there are other Gods that are equivalent but not all wise. Yes, I believe there are other “might ones” but only ONE TRUE GOD. and the Word is the exact expression of that one God IN the Messiah, and as the Word is still God.
New American Standard Bible
1 Tim 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever.Hi All,
6 Tim 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amien.
Me: This means that only God is immortal. This means only he existed from eternity. This means we can never see God nor can we ever approach him. You would think that since man is to higher than the angels, the angels nor anyone can approach God. They may have approached the Word in heaven.
Hi All,
Col 1:16 For IN him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and IN (me 1722): him all things consist.
2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was (me: in: 1722) Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1722. en : in, on, at, by, with
Original Word: ἐν
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: en
Phonetic Spelling: (en)
Definition: in, on, at, by, with
Usage: in, on, among.Me: God (the Word) in Christ created all. God created all before he was in Christ.
Hi All,
THE EXPRESSION of GOD
Expression One—the WORD OF GOD
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Me: The Word in Christ was the expression of God in Christ. God created all by the Word before the Word was in Christ. But if the Word created all, how could he have created himself if he had not existed, if he was a creation himself.
THE WORD WAS NOT CREATED BY GOD. THE WORD WAS AN EXPRESSION OF GOD HIMSELF. God could have expressed himself anytime from eternity. But why and who would he have expressed himself to if nothing or no one was around to express himself to?
Hi All,
Expression Two—the MESSIAH
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_timothy/1-17.htm1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
John 14: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Me: Instead of seeing and knowing God directly, we will see and know the Messiah as he is.
Hi All,
Young’s Literal Translation
Rev 21:3 and I heard a great voice out of the heaven, saying, ‘Lo, the tabernacle (me: Christ)of God is with men, and He will tabernacle with them, and they shall be His peoples, and God Himself shall be with them — their God. 23 and the city hath no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they may shine in it; for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamp of it is the Lamb;Me: The Word in Christ is an exact representation or image of the person of the Almighty. His temple is the representation of his father in visible form.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
The son is the exact representation of his Father, for no one will or can see the Father–ever.
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