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Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 14 2008,04:36) Quote (Adam Pastor @ Aug. 10 2008,06:21) Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 09 2008,17:18) Quote (Adam Pastor @ Aug. 09 2008,21:54) Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 09 2008,09:18) If God can create woman from Man in the beginning why not the same God can not create man from woman alone ?
Amen! Adam. I totally agree.
No mysticism needed!!
Is the process of simply conception “mysticism”? Why?Many are offended that God could father his own Son. I don't understand why?
Mandy
It maybe because of the way you're describing it.
It has paganistic overtones.Greek/Roman/Egyptian Pagans & Polytheists have for centuries been teaching that their gods “fathered” children with mortal women via the use of “male agents”.
However Luke & Matthew don't even come close to describing anything similar;
Gabriel explained to Mary that she would miraculously conceive a son! And because the conception/begetting is miraculous, that is, no “male agent” has touched her; the child will be call “the Son of GOD”.Personally, I don't believe that there was any “miraculous insemination” or such like.
The same GOD that made the first sinless couple;
i.e. made Adam from dust & Eve from Adam's rib;
is more than capable of making a new, sinless man from Mary's egg;
Almighty GOD, Creator of Heaven and earth,
is more than capable of making a “male” from Mary's XX chromosomes!
Genetically impossible? Yes, I guess so.
That is why Christ's conception is miraculous in more ways than one!! It truly was a miracle.
No “male agent” involved!
Hi Mandy,
This is for you from AP. I meant you should base your unique beliefs on certain scholarly work like Sir Anthony Buzzard or some Biblical theologian who could prove them. I am sorry to say this because you don't want give up even after so many questions we put on your beliefs. We are here to release our inhibitions but not to stick to them. You know how I have unlearned many of my beliefs like Trinity, preexistence, Jesus as God etc. to understand truth from you and other brothers & sisters here. Please, this one deviation is bothering me much about you Sis.Love to you
Adam
Brother,Don't be troubled about me. Just trust God and his dear One to guide you. If the Spirit that is in Christ lives in each one of us we will surely all find our way. There are many beliefs out there but only one pure truth of God. We will know what that pure truth is on that Day. It is something to look forward to. Until then, press on towards the goal.
Love to you,
MandyHi all,
Here is a wonderful article on 'God and Jesus' by N.T. wright.
http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htmThanks
AdamQuote (gollamudi @ Aug. 14 2008,20:31) Hi all,
Here is a wonderful article on 'God and Jesus' by N.T. wright.
http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htmThanks
Adam
Hi GM,
Your intellectual colleague writes.
“We could only ask the “kenotic” question in the way we normally do—did Jesus “empty himself” of some of his “divine attributes” in becoming human?—if we were tacitly committed to a quite unbiblical view of God, a high and majestic God for whom incarnation would be a category mistake and crucifixion a scandalous nonsense. The NT, on the contrary, invites us to look at this Jesus—the earthly Jesus, the Jesus of Second Temple Judaism, the kingdom-movement man, the ambiguous double revolutionary, the parabolic teaser, the healer, the man who wept over Jerusalem and then sweated drops of blood in Gethsemane—to look at this Jesus and to say with awe and wonder and gratitude, not only “Ecce Homo,” but “Ecce Deus.”GOD?
I thought you realised Jesus is the son of God?Is it offending you if he revealed God fully on this earth as the 'word' which was called God dwelled in him and is permanently living in him now, which also made him 'son of God' ?
Hi GM,
He fully revealed God in his vessel but was not that God though your colleague suggests he is.
Scripture says he is the Word and not that God dwelled in him as that Word.
John said he heard, he saw and he even touched the Word.1Jn1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;Jesus is the perfect dwelling for the true God, he is not a so-called god as you think that is what you and others make him. He is the savior of the world because God was fully in Jesus and reconcilled the whole world to Himself. Jesus is called as the 'word of God' not that he himself is that 'word' it is God's expression. John heard of the 'word of life' since it was not a person prior to Jesus birth. but after his birth the same 'word of life' became 'living word' in Jesus the man so that John could see him or touch him.
There is difference in what I believe and what you just quoted my brother.
Thanks
AdamOne more thing brother Nick, I am not supporting fully what N.T. Wright has wirtten there but I wanted you to see God and Jesus from different perspectives.
Thanks
AdamQuote (gollamudi @ Aug. 14 2008,21:44) Jesus is the perfect dwelling for the true God, he is not a so-called god as you think that is what you and others make him. He is the savior of the world because God was fully in Jesus and reconcilled the whole world to Himself. Jesus is called as the 'word of God' not that he himself is that 'word' it is God's expression. John heard of the 'word of life' since it was not a person prior to Jesus birth. but after his birth the same 'word of life' became 'living word' in Jesus the man so that John could see him or touch him. There is difference in what I believe and what you just quoted my brother.
Thanks
Adam
Hi GM,
Can you see how you have had to add your theology to the text to try to explain yourself?
I prefer the simplicity of John.
His wisdom was deeper.Nick………The best explanation to this is what Jesus said about the Father, He said God is Spirit, He said the words weren't His, He said the words were Spirit and life, He said the Father was (IN) Him, He said He could do nothing by Himself, He said the Father was greater then Him, He said he came to do the Fathers Will, not His. So if we put it together what do we get . The word is Spirit and GOD is Spirit . Now God to John “in the BEGINNING was the word and the word was with GOD and (WAS) GOD. Back to Jesus again, WORD= SPIRIT, GOD=SPIRIT. So WORD and GOD are referencing the same GOD.
Peace …………gene
Hi GB,
But you have just told us in another thread that Jesus understanding about demons was primitive so how do you now say his words were of God?Nick……..I never said Jesus understanding about demons were primitive, but i did say in a thread that Jesus dealt with them in their understanding level and the ones relating these event certainty related them in there own understanding of that day. Read Jodi's post and think about it Nick, she posted lots of scriptures to back up her thoughts. I personally agree with Her as well as Sir Isaac Newton also and there are others who believe this way also. We have to realize what those people understood at the time these things were taking place. Knowledge has greatly increased since then. You hardly ever hear of people bing demon possessed anymore. We understand this as mental illnesses they didn't have that understanding then.
peace………..gene
Hi GB,
Jesus's teachings were of God.
So where do you lay the fault for the untruths you claim he taught?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 15 2008,09:00) Quote (gollamudi @ Aug. 14 2008,21:44) Jesus is the perfect dwelling for the true God, he is not a so-called god as you think that is what you and others make him. He is the savior of the world because God was fully in Jesus and reconcilled the whole world to Himself. Jesus is called as the 'word of God' not that he himself is that 'word' it is God's expression. John heard of the 'word of life' since it was not a person prior to Jesus birth. but after his birth the same 'word of life' became 'living word' in Jesus the man so that John could see him or touch him. There is difference in what I believe and what you just quoted my brother.
Thanks
Adam
Hi GM,
Can you see how you have had to add your theology to the text to try to explain yourself?
I prefer the simplicity of John.
His wisdom was deeper.
Hi brother Nick,
Where I have added my theology ? infact many people are adding so many things to prove their philosophy and dogma. I am explaining what the Bible talks about the Monotheism but not Polytheism as many non-trinitarians are interpreting the scriptures to prove Arianism and preexistence.If we don't unlearn our preconceived ideas we can not learn any thing that is of full truth.
Please take care
AdamNick…….the people of Jesus day had no idea about mental illness, and you need to remember Jesus did (NOT) write the bible but people who have some preconceived Ideas did. History plainly bears this out.They had pagan idolatrous minds they believed in demons as separate beings who went around jumping in and out of people, do you also believe that. Jesus spoke to them on their level much like we speak to our children on their levels. Please quite trying to make me say Jesus was a lier and misrepresenting of truth. Read and think about what Jodi posted and you might get to see the truth regarding demons and devils.
peace………gene
Hi GM,
So the apostles did not write down exactly what Jesus said but adjusted it for the local yokels?
So they are liars and nothing that they wrote is trustworthy
but you are?
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