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Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 08 2013,14:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 08 2013,12:39) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 07 2013,19:33) Why did the king, who chose to believe the other 400 who prophesied the same thing not believe Micaiah when he said what the servant told him to?
When he said what? Please rephrase the question.
Mike B.You show me the flaws: I will proof to you that
it's not flawed.wakeup.
Wakeup,In our discussion about Easter your proof is a bunch of lies that even some of those who are part of the KJV movement do not agree with.
Stop believing everything you hear that supports what you want to believe. Such “evidence” lowers the creditability of your claims and the claims of those that agree with your conclusion.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 09 2013,03:52) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 08 2013,14:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 08 2013,12:39) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 07 2013,19:33) Why did the king, who chose to believe the other 400 who prophesied the same thing not believe Micaiah when he said what the servant told him to?
When he said what? Please rephrase the question.
Mike B.You show me the flaws: I will proof to you that
it's not flawed.wakeup.
Wakeup,In our discussion about Easter your proof is a bunch of lies that even some of those who are part of the KJV movement do not agree with.
Stop believing everything you hear that supports what you want to believe. Such “evidence” lowers the creditability of your claims and the claims of those that agree with your conclusion.
Kerwin.Commonsense should tell you that the Romans and jews are not celebrating Jesus death and resurrection.
The apostles dont worship the goddess asteroth/ester.Acts 12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; **intending after Easter** to bring him forth to the people.
Do you really think that the Romans were waiting for the
apostles celebration to be over?
Jews dont celebrate easter the goddess of fertility either.
But the Romans do.Wakeup,
Herod, a Jew and descendant of Esau, was out to please the Jews and not anger them by celebrating a pagan holiday. I can look up these things and find that what you were told is a lie.
The truth is the AKJV translators regarded Passover as a Jewish holiday before Jesus' death and as a Christian holiday afterwords. They also regarded the name Easter as the correct English name for that holiday. It is Passover in Latin as well as Greek and Hebrew.
The Roman Catholic Church just changed the dates of Passover and among them and the Jews the dates of the Jewish and Catholic Passover are never to be the same.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 07 2013,20:22) Mike, Quote Where is it written that Micaiah didn't live and prophecy by the Spirit of God? Micaiah prophesied by the Spirit of God but he was unable to live by it as that is a gift of the new covenant.
Haggai 2
4 But now be strong, Zerubbabel,’ declares the LORD. ‘Be strong, Joshua son of Jozadak, the high priest. Be strong, all you people of the land,’ declares the LORD, ‘and work. For I am with you,’ declares the LORD Almighty. 5 ‘This is what I covenanted with you when you came out of Egypt. And my Spirit remains among you. Do not fear.’Numbers 11:29
But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!”There are more, but this should suffice to prove my point.
Are you saying that people like Moses, Samuel, and David didn't live by the Spirit of God?
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 07 2013,20:27) Knowing these things, Why do you think the the king accused Micaiah of lying in the name of God?
Going from memory, it seems the king told Jehoshaphat that Micaiah ALWAYS prophesied bad for him.So when Micaiah prophesied good, I suppose he was suspicious and because of that implored Micaiah to tell the truth.
I don't think Ahab accused him of lying, but suspected that a good prophecy from Micaiah might not be the real prophecy.
Why? What point are you trying to make?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2013,03:22) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 07 2013,20:22) Mike, Quote Where is it written that Micaiah didn't live and prophecy by the Spirit of God? Micaiah prophesied by the Spirit of God but he was unable to live by it as that is a gift of the new covenant.
Haggai 2
4 But now be strong, Zerubbabel,’ declares the LORD. ‘Be strong, Joshua son of Jozadak, the high priest. Be strong, all you people of the land,’ declares the LORD, ‘and work. For I am with you,’ declares the LORD Almighty. 5 ‘This is what I covenanted with you when you came out of Egypt. And my Spirit remains among you. Do not fear.’Numbers 11:29
But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!”There are more, but this should suffice to prove my point.
Are you saying that people like Moses, Samuel, and David didn't live by the Spirit of God?
Mike,Haggai is a better passage for you as Mosses is expressing a wish. Even then Haggai is speaking of the Spirit before the time when God writes his law on his peoples' minds and places it in them. That time is the time of the new covenant.
So if Haggai was not speaking of the Spirit in the same sense as it is spoken of in the writing of the law on a believer's mind then how was he speaking of it?
People like Moses, Samuel, and David were carried along by the Spirit but they did not have the Law of God written on their minds and placed within their inward beings as that is a gift of the new covenant.
That is why it is written:
Hebrews 11:39-40
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 08 2013,02:18) Mike B. You show me the flaws: I will proof to you that
it's not flawed.wakeup.
journey's already doing that job, Wakeup. All you have to do is PAY ATTENTION. Take the verse journey listed about the TEMPLE prostitutes, for example.The Hebrew word SPECIFICALLY refers to TEMPLE prostitutes, and not regular old “whores” and “sodomites” like the KJV translated it.
So there's one of them right there.
Just keep watching, Wakeup. If journey continues to compare the KJV with the newer translations, I'll bet dollars to dimes that the KJV will be the translation at fault virtually every time.
And remember, I'm not here to SLAM the KJV – which I think is one of MANY fine translations. I'm only showing you guys that we now know more stuff about the Hebrew language and culture, and we now have much better and older Hebrew and Greek mss from which to translate.
In other words, the newer translators have a lot better info to go off of, and much more of it. It's like the deck is stacked. The KJV people did the best they could with their limited knowledge and resources. But today, we have more of both.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2013,03:30) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 07 2013,20:27) Knowing these things, Why do you think the the king accused Micaiah of lying in the name of God?
Going from memory, it seems the king told Jehoshaphat that Micaiah ALWAYS prophesied bad for him.So when Micaiah prophesied good, I suppose he was suspicious and because of that implored Micaiah to tell the truth.
I don't think Ahab accused him of lying, but suspected that a good prophecy from Micaiah might not be the real prophecy.
Why? What point are you trying to make?
Mike,There is much that may not be revealed with typeface. Micaiah may have used a tone that implied disbelief of his own words and we would not know it. Your speculation is good as well.
The way it sounds it that King Jehoshaphat already knew what God would say but was already committed to disobeying it. He just wanted it on the record.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 08 2013,15:36) Mike, Haggai is a better passage for you as Mosses is expressing a wish.
And what was the context, Kerwin? Wasn't that after God placed His Holy Spirit on 70 elders, and someone said something to Moses about it? And Moses responded that he wished ALL of God's prophets would have the Spirit?I don't have time to check right now, but I believe that is the context of that verse.
So, God PLACED His Holy Spirit in SEVENTY Israelites besides Moses. Yet they didn't live by Spirit?
Kerwin, you are confused about a lot of things. For example, the new covenant is NOT the time that God will write His Law on the hearts of all men. If it was, then all men RIGHT NOW would have God's Law written on their hearts. That prophecy is yet to be fulfilled.
Mike,
The Seventy Elsers were carried along by the Spirit and manifest a gift of the Spirit but any walking they might have done by the Spirit was brief indeed. This command is the command to walk by the Spirit and is not written in the Law of Mosses.
Galatians 5:22-25
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Mike,
Hebrews 8:7-13
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
The new covenant is here, we are not taking advantage of it.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 09 2013,08:12) Wakeup, Herod, a Jew and descendant of Esau, was out to please the Jews and not anger them by celebrating a pagan holiday. I can look up these things and find that what you were told is a lie.
The truth is the AKJV translators regarded Passover as a Jewish holiday before Jesus' death and as a Christian holiday afterwords. They also regarded the name Easter as the correct English name for that holiday. It is Passover in Latin as well as Greek and Hebrew.
The Roman Catholic Church just changed the dates of Passover and among them and the Jews the dates of the Jewish and Catholic Passover are never to be the same.
Kerwin.Quote
The truth is the AKJV translators regarded Passover as a Jewish holiday **before Jesus' death** and as a Christian holiday afterwords. They also regarded the name Easter as the correct English name for that holiday. It is Passover in Latin as well as Greek and Hebrew.Did Jesus celebrate easter with his apostles?
wakeup.
Wakeup,
The word is passover. The KJV has it wrong. He was waiting until the passover celebration was over to please the JEWS, as is implied from verse 3.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 08 2013,15:58) The new covenant is here, we are not taking advantage of it.
The new covenant has been established. The day of all men having God's law written in their hearts has not yet arrived.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2013,10:16) Wakeup, The word is passover. The KJV has it wrong. He was waiting until the passover celebration was over to please the JEWS, as is implied from verse 3.
Mike B.I dont think that those scholars could not make the difference between passover and easter.
Easter is pagan,and passover is jewish
Easter is celebrating the goddess ester.
Passover is celebrating the passover in egypt.
I think they both fall on the same time.Easter is much older than passover.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2013,05:20) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 08 2013,15:58) The new covenant is here, we are not taking advantage of it.
The new covenant has been established. The day of all men having God's law written in their hearts has not yet arrived.
Mike,Read that passage from Hebrews I quoted.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 09 2013,11:44) Wakeup, Easter is a Saxon Holiday which is why the word is English.
Kerwin.The roots are of Babylon.And the king is called king of babylon.(bab.the great).
Of which all false religion is based on.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 08 2013,19:01) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2013,05:20) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 08 2013,15:58) The new covenant is here, we are not taking advantage of it.
The new covenant has been established. The day of all men having God's law written in their hearts has not yet arrived.
Mike,Read that passage from Hebrews I quoted.
Yes Kerwin,Read verse 13 of that passage. The old covenant is fading away as the new covenant takes root.
The new covenant has been established, but will not be complete until the resurrection. It is after that time that all men will have God's laws written on their hearts so that one man will not have to tell his neighbor about God.
Clearly this hadn't yet been completed at the time Paul wrote those words in the passage you quoted, for the commission from Jesus was to preach the gospel to the four corners of the earth.
And clearly the covenant is still not completed, for there are many who don't know God, and there are many who continue to tell their neighbors about Him.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 09 2013,03:45) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 09 2013,11:44) Wakeup, Easter is a Saxon Holiday which is why the word is English.
Kerwin.The roots are of Babylon.And the king is called king of babylon.(bab.the great).
Of which all false religion is based on.wakeup.
Ed J and I once had this discussion because he is also one of the “KJV ONLY” people.We employed some online translators and found out that the Greek word used, if translated from modern Greek, means “Easter”. But when the same word was translated from ancient Greek, the translation came up as “Passover”.
So the word USE TO mean “Passover”, but now means “Easter”, – which makes sense seeing how the pagan holiday of Easter is now thought by most Christians to be a Christian holiday corresponding to the Passover.
At any rate, when Luke wrote the word, it meant “Passover”.
Verse 3 gives us the answer, Wakeup. Herod was trying to please the JEWS by arresting Peter and bringing him out for public trial and, most likely, execution. But the JEWS would have no part of this activity during THEIR holy Passover celebration……… so Herod was waiting until after this JEWISH celebration to bring Peter out for trial.
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