The biblical cannon

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  • #285031
    Ed J
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    Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 15 2012,17:07)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,18:09)
    To All,

    Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them
    (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
    Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
    (that is English) will he speak to this people.

    1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic),
    or at the most by three
    (Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].

    “The Bible” we have today was no accident, it is exactly the way YHVH wanted it!

    God bless
    Ed J


    It doesn't matter which version it is, it is God's word.

    ” And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come”.

    Fullfilled.


    Hi Shimmer,

    Does it matter who's opinion you listen to on these forums? Are we not all Christians?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #285036
    shimmer
    Participant

    What does that have to do with the topic?  You're continuing the conversation we were having on another thread here – sorry Jodi.  Ed, get back to topic, I was just giving my two cents about the topic.  We'll talk about the other issue elsewhere.

    #285045
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 15 2012,17:07)

    It doesn't matter which version it is, it is God's word.


    Hi Shimmer,

    Why would what they say what the bible means be trustworthy,
    but not what we say what the bible means? Do you not see my point?

    The AKJV Bible was combed through at least 14 times, by hundreds of people;
    do you not think that would be a more trustworthy way of handling God's word??

    By the way, this thread is about what is considered canon.
    And modern translations DO NOT FIT THE BILL!  Sorry :(

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #285145
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Jodi Lee @ Mar. 14 2012,21:59)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2012,13:27)

    Quote (Jodi Lee @ Mar. 14 2012,07:50)
    The book of John makes Jesus out to be a god……………..


    Didn't Jesus' Father foretell through Isaiah that Jesus would be called a mighty god?


    and Moses was made a god as well!


    And Deborah was called a god.  And Satan.  And those to whom the word of God came.

    So why do you doubt the authenticity of John's gospel because Jesus is called “god” in it?

    #285149
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 16 2012,01:25)

    Quote (shimmer @ Mar. 15 2012,17:07)

    It doesn't matter which version it is, it is God's word.


    Hi Shimmer,

    Why would what they say what the bible means be trustworthy,
    but not what we say what the bible means? Do you not see my point?

    The AKJV Bible was combed through at least 14 times, by hundreds of people;
    do you not think that would be a more trustworthy way of handling God's word??

    By the way, this thread is about what is considered canon.
    And modern translations DO NOT FIT THE BILL!  Sorry :(

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    eddy

    Quote
    By the way, this thread is about what is considered canon.
    And modern translations DO NOT FIT THE BILL!  Sorry

    come on man wake up their is at the least 7 or 10 good bible translations but none can be 100% trusted

    any thing that is written in a language not common to today is questionable why ???? why not leave it in Hebrew or Greek got it

    :)

    #285310
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,16:09)
    To All,

    Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them
    (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
    Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
    (that is English) will he speak to this people.

    1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic),
    or at the most by three
    (Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].

    The “AKJV Bible” we have today was no accident, it is exactly the way YHVH wanted it!

    God bless
    Ed J


    PIERRE,

    What you consider good is irrelevant!
    The question is what is canon?
    The “AKJV Bible” is canon!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #285369
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 17 2012,03:26)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,16:09)
    To All,

    Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them
    (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
    Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
    (that is English) will he speak to this people.

    1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic),
    or at the most by three
    (Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].

    The “AKJV Bible” we have today was no accident, it is exactly the way YHVH wanted it!

    God bless
    Ed J


    PIERRE,

    What you consider good is irrelevant!
    The question is what is canon?
    The “AKJV Bible” is canon!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    GOOD that is another opinion

    #285500
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 16 2012,03:26)
    PIERRE,

    What you consider good is irrelevant!


    Ed,

    Couldn't we say the same thing about your love of the KJV?

    How do you deal with 1 John 5:7, Ed?

    This is the footnote from the NIV:
    1 John 5:8 NU-Text and M-Text omit the words from in heaven (verse 7) through on earth (verse 8). Only four or five very late manuscripts contain these words in Greek.

    The verse has been determined as spurious – added in at a later date by a scribe/scribes. Yet your KJV has these added words because the mss available in its day had those words.

    The words were never in the original scriptures, Ed – yet your KJV has them. What say you?

    #285521
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2012,14:06)
    Ed,

    How do you deal with 1 John 5:7, Ed?

    The words were never in the original scriptures, Ed – yet your KJV has them.  What say you?


    Hi Mike, I say…

    The “Textus Receptus” is a master copy of the more than 5,000 Greek manuscripts
    being passed around by the early Church; also called the “Majority Texts”.
    The “AKJV Bible” Greek was translated from the “Textus Receptus”.

    I believe that verse was added to some very early copies.
    And copied and copied until it was in the Majority
    of the Greek texts being passed around.
    That must be how it got in there.


               How do we know this verse is spurious?

    1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven,
    the Father, the Word, and the HolySpirit: and these three are one.

    1. God does not need three witness to bear record Heaven,
        because his word is forever settled in Heaven. (see Psalm 119:89)

    2. “The Word” is the HolySpirit, so this wording is clearly incorrect. (see Eph.6:17)
         It would have to be worded as the Father, the Word, and Jesus for it to be correct.

    3. The “HolySpirit” is God the Father, so listing them as two entities is a definite error. (Eph.4:4-6)

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #285526
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    Exodus 3:14 is an even bigger blunder, as this mistranslation (based on the Septuagints blunder
    of translating [אהיה] to {εγω ειμι} ego eimi) has inadvertently created the false god of religion. (Link)


                      YHVH means: Causes to become.

               When Moses asked God His name, God said…
    [אהיה אשר אהיה] ěhyäh ăsher ěhyäh, which translates into English as…
          “I will be what I will be”  or  “I will be that I will be


                   YHVH=63 and “will be”=63

    Theomatics(numbers relating to God) clearly illustrate who God is.
    The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.
    [יהוה] translates directly into English as YHVH.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
    (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)

    #285554
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 16 2012,22:26)
    I believe that verse was added to some very early copies.
    And copied and copied until it was in the Majority
    of the Greek texts being passed around.


    My source says that ONLY four or five of the VERY LATEST mss contain those words, Ed. That doesn't add up to a “majority” – as you put it.

    The words are in NONE of the more recently discovered, older mss. Why?

    #285699
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2012,01:45)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 16 2012,22:26)
    I believe that verse was added to some very early copies.
    And copied and copied until it was in the Majority
    of the Greek texts being passed around.


    (1)My source says that ONLY four or five of the VERY LATEST mss contain those words, Ed.  That doesn't add up to a “majority” – as you put it.

    (2)The words are in NONE of the more recently discovered, older mss.  Why?


    Hi Mike,

    1)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2012,13:45)
    No Ed.  I don't watch the videos you post – sorry.

           Likewise, what your sorcers say doesn't concern me.

    2) I explained on the ninth post of the last page.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #285707
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 17 2012,19:13)
    I explained on the ninth post of the last page.


    I didn't read any explanation that I could understand.

    Ed, believe what you want. Many people on this site seem to do that anyway – despite what the scriptures or evidence says.

    In this case, the evidence says those words are spurious, and were never a part of the holy scriptures. But like I said, believe what you want to.

    #285720
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    I agreed with you that 1John 5:7 was added, did
    you somehow manage to miss that in my post?
    Do you not even bother to read my posts?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #285724
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    If the post has all the numbers, I usually don't read it – sorry. Other than that, I do usually read your posts – unlike some others here. I'm sorry that I missed that part. :( Forgive me?

    #285740
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    That's what happens when people don't read others posts,
    they miss critical information. I read what people post to me.

    What I ignore is imported posted opinions,
    unless they are very short or in video form.
    That includes your sources as you call them.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #285869
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Okay Ed,

    I tried to let you off graciously, but you are attempting to scold me.

    Okay, if the words of 1 John 5:7 are spurious, then how can your KJV be perfect – since it includes those spurious words that are no part of scripture?

    (Or was that also answered in your last post?  I seem to recall words to the effect of “Well, since the words are true in my own opinion, then it's okay that the KJV added these spurious words into their translation.”)

    #285870
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2012,03:09)
    Okay Ed,

    I tried to let you off graciously, but you are attempting to scold me.

    Okay, if the words of 1 John 5:7 are spurious, then how can your KJV be perfect – since it includes those spurious words that are no part of scripture?

    (Or was that also answered in your last post?  I seem to recall words to the effect of “Well, since the words are true in my own opinion, then it's okay that the KJV added these spurious words into their translation.“)


    Hi Mike,

    I assume you mean the the “AKJV Bible”; right?
    How do you define “perfect”? Two questions.

    What are you talking about here? Now three questions.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #285874
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    You insist that the “AKJV” is the “exact word of God”.

    How can that be when they've inadvertently added spurious words to their text?

    #285876
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 15 2012,16:09)
    To All,

    Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them
    (in the AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
    Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
    (that is English) will he speak to this people.

    1Cor.14:27 (AKJV) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two(Hebrew, Aramaic),
    or at the most by three
    (Greek), and that by course; [and let one (“AKJV Bible”) translate].

    The “AKJV Bible” we have today was no accident, it is exactly the way YHVH wanted it!

    God bless
    Ed J


    Hi Mike,

    Here is what I said. When quoting me,
    please quote me accurately; OK?
    Your filters get in the way.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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