The Beast Revelation

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 03 2011,07:36)

mikeboll64,Aug. wrote:

Hi Michael,

Then who are these members of mankind that were created on the 6th day?

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

mike

I realize there are those who say people came from monkeys, or apes, but that is just ignorant. The people who were created on the sixth day are all the races of people, who are not of Jewish lineage. Adam and Eve are of Jewish lineage. When it says that Eve is the mother of all living, it means that Christ would eventually come, be born, and save all those who believed. Eve is figuratively the mother of all living, because without Christ none would have eternal life. Eve was not literally the mother of all living. There were people living on the Earth when they were put into the garden. This is how Cain could go out and find a wife. He married someone who was not of the Jewish lineage, or those of the sixth day creation. Now, just because a person is not Jewish does not make him any less of a person. I am not Jewish. Christ was to come from the lineage of Adam, and so he did…Michae1

August 3, 2011 at 1:04 am#254835

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The reason I mentioned the first sentence of my last post is because, you don't get a Chinese man from a Jew. You don't get a an Indian from a Jew. The races were made on the sixth day….

August 3, 2011 at 1:31 am#254838

mikeboll64

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Quote (michael777 @ Aug. 02 2011,19:01)

There were people living on the Earth when they were put into the garden. This is how Cain could go out and find a wife. He married someone who was not of the Jewish lineage, or those of the sixth day creation.

Hi Michael,

I have pondered this myself hard and long. I have been scoffed at and reminded that Adam is said to be the first man ever, and that Eve is the mother of all living.

But it never set well with me that when Cain was banished, he was afraid that “others” would kill him; and so God put a sign on him so the “others” wouldn't bother him.

WHO WERE THESE “OTHERS”?

You have pointed out that he obtained a wife from somewhere. So that's the second thing I've wondered about.

People are quick to point out that not every child of Adam and Eve were mentioned by name, so they may have had hundreds of children by the time Cain murdered Abel. But WHY were these already living in the land of Nod (Wandering), since it seemed a bad punishment for Cain to be sent to that place?

And how does that add up to Eve saying this in 4:25:
“God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.”

That seems to me an odd statement if the couple already had hundreds of unmentioned children.

And I've wondered why the story of man's creation is told once in Genesis 1, and then again, mentioning Adam and Eve, in Genesis 2.

I'll let you in on a secret: I've always thought in my own mind that these “men” created on the sixth day were more like the cavemen of old. And Adam represented the first man in which God placed His own Spirit.

Should we move this to another thread, since it's off-topic here?

mike

August 3, 2011 at 1:58 am#254840

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I would agree that this line of questioning is straying from the topic slightly, but in order for my letter to make complete sense, this issue cannot be ignored. I mean, I use it in my figures and thoughts about the timing of Revelation, so it is fair game. I have to be able to support all portions of my letter. Although, it is not really the issue I am concerned with. I'm more concerned with discernable events of the living, then issues about ancient history. michae1

August 3, 2011 at 2:11 am#254842

mikeboll64

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Quote (michael777 @ Aug. 02 2011,19:58)

I'm more concerned with discernable events of the living, then issues about ancient history.

Fair enough.

As for your understanding of prophecies, I am still on milk concerning them – and so won't venture a guess.

I will offer that it seems every generation looks for signs from their own time period that will fit into Revelation and Daniel. Much like a person can make a horoscope fit into the circumstances of their current life if they try hard enough.

I don't think the horoscope people actually knew anything more about your current life than you really know about these prophesies.

These could be things that will happen 10,000 years from now, for all we know.

I say this with the utmost respect to you and for the product you've worked so long and hard to produce. For all I know, you could have hit the nail right on the head.

peace to you “Lucky Mike”,
mike

August 3, 2011 at 2:20 am#254844

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Peace also to you Mikeboll64. Thanks for the chat…

August 4, 2011 at 1:11 am#254914

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Quote (michael777 @ Aug. 03 2011,19:04)

The reason I mentioned the first sentence of my last post is because, you don't get a Chinese man from a Jew. You don't get a an Indian from a Jew. The races were made on the sixth day….

M777

are you believing that it is you who saves?

I always was under the impression that it was the word of God ,

the gospel that moves us toward Gods truth and so be saved.

Pierre

August 5, 2011 at 10:54 am#255056

ftk

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For All: If the revelation of Jesus is an event of the future it will never happen! Past has happened and can't be changed, future has not come and there is no guarantee it will come. Future may never be! Now, the present now is all we actually have. Now, Jesus is here. Now, we are saved from sin and death! Now, we take on God and become one with God! Now, God has cleansed us from foolish doctrines that put off to some ominous date, what God has given us for now. Everything Jesus did for God and mankind is for RIGHT NOW!!

What God has given us now, dictates what the future can be! There is no guarantee of the future so if Gods Kingdom is for the future it may never be! The truth is the Kingdom is now, rising up in mental awareness in any or all who will hear, accept and hold fast to the words of Jesus.

The revelation of Jesus was IMO an overview of “the word of God” to the end, which was the Kingdom of God, established by Jesus. Jesus gave us Gods words which were a river of life (holy spirit truth) coming to earthen vessels called man, on earth, to fill them with the water of the word of God, the truth of who they really are in God.

Rulers of darkness, some in high religious places, taint and distort the words of God and the plan of God to keep their congregations bound and fearful, needing guidance and help. Distorted doctrines such as a misinterpreted revelation put Gods work off to a future that doesn't even exist. If you believe the truth of Jesus is for future you will never see it in your life.

Out of mankind's belly/heart shall flow rivers of living water from the throne of God. Gods work then ended with Jesus, God's future for man was given by Jesus for now for whosoever will accept and believe his words. The works of today are to work to believe. IMO, TK

August 5, 2011 at 2:49 pm#255066

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Quote (ftk @ Aug. 05 2011,17:54)

What I have done in writing, “The Beast Revelation” is in effect write a book report. I have read the whole Bible and summed up the details. The only thing I can see from your words is the comment “now.” I just want you to know. I wrote the words, I stand behind them, and I will answer for them. Just as you will answer for your's. I don't apologize for what I have written, and I don't want anyone else to apologize for me either. Michae1

August 10, 2011 at 2:57 pm#255490

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Quote (michael777 @ Aug. 02 2011,12:15)

The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

The following letter is a summary of Revelation 13. Its purpose is to show the method used in finding the conclusions which have been stated. Nothing new has been added from my previous letters. It is more of a compilation of them all. This writing is the same material in different words. The Bible uses this same method of explanation. There are four Gospels. In each you see a different view of the same material. This can be beneficial because the meaning becomes more exact. Although, if this is a first time reader, then this will all be news to you. With that in mind, here we go.

The first thing that should be addressed when doing any study of Bible prophecy is what questions do I intend to answer. Some of these questions can seem a little simplistic, but their answers are much more complicated. In my studies there were only a few questions that I saw as needing an answer. My questions were very simple. First, who is this individual who is identified by the number 666? Second, who is the false prophet and how does he make the whole world worship the beast whose number is 666. Another question has to do with these same individuals. Could these two individuals be the same person, or for that matter Satan himself? Where is Satan during all this? That last question is very important. It actually goes straight to the answer of all the questions. Finally, when would someone expect to see these individuals on the Earth? Literally, what time frame should I see them? Those are the questions. The answers are much more involved.

This narrative will attempt to show how the answers are figured out. These answers can be seen from events that happen in the nightly news. This leads me to a key, which most of us know, but most of us forget. The Bible is a history book. Some events have happened, while some are waiting to happen. It is the ones that have not happened that we are most concerned with. Here is another key. By the way, these keys I speak of are keys to understanding. The Lord spoke in parables. The reason he gave was that it was for some to know the mysteries of God, while it was for some to know not. In hearing, they do not hear. In seeing, they do not see. I compare it to telling the truth, while hiding it at the same time. Many of the parables that the Lord spoke he immediately gave an answer to. He showed how he used certain symbols and words to describe subjects and then gave their meanings. Now for the punch line. The Lord also spoke in parables that he did not identify. These parables go straight to the hidden meaning of these end times. Another key is word substitution. An example of this is a pretty well-known item from Revelation. This word substitution deals with Revelation 13:1. The beast has seven heads and ten horns. In Revelation 17 those heads and horns are defined. The heads are identified as mountains, while the horns are identified as kings. This changes the whole picture of what the beast is symbolically to what it is literally. Now Rev.13:1 can be read as follows with just the items discussed thus far. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven mountains and ten kings. That is a simple and easy word substitution. Know that this will happen many times throughout the Bible.

Now, getting back to the questions. The question is, where is Satan? If this question can be answered, you can eliminate some others. Some prophecy teachers believe that Satan is the beast, or that Satan is the false prophet. This interpretation is misleading, and it also creates a stumbling block in the path to a proper interpretation. I almost always get this question. How can you know who the beast is when he cannot be revealed? 2nd Thess. Chapter 2 states that he cannot be revealed, until something is removed first. Most scholars have this part right. That is a picture of the Rapture. What they have wrong is that Satan and the beast are not the same individual. Satan cannot be revealed until after the rapture, but he is not the beast. Therefore, I can identify the beast and his false prophet. People say prove it. So I did. I told them how to understand using the keys that I have mentioned. Revelation 13 is a parable, but God is not giving the definition, or the explanation. This one is for us to figure out. Ok, so where is Satan? In the book of Job, we get a view of Satan's abilities. In one scene, he is discussing with God about Job. Question, where is God? He is in heaven. Also, in his conversation with God Satan is talking as if he knows and has seen Job. God declares that he can do whatever he wants to Job, but he was not allowed to kill him. Now we know something else about Satan. He also has access to the Earth, and can affect peoples lives. So, it appears that Satan can be everywhere he wants to be, on Earth or in heaven. We know Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven as per Revelation 12. This would further the idea that he is now in heaven. We also see Satan one other time, when he tempted Christ during his time on Earth. It says that he was taken to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan? Most people, and rightly so, have thought the wilderness to be a place on Earth, but this is a parable I believe. The Lord was in the wilderness and was tempted by Satan, but the wilderness is in heaven. This parable is read in Isaiah 35. It is the wilderness and the solitary place where the redeemed of the Lord walk. So, this last item being the most hard to prove, suffice it to say, that when Rev.12 says Satan will be cast out, he must be there in heaven to be cast out. Alright, now we can answer a couple questions. One, Satan is himself, and he is in heaven. Therefore, he is not the beast or the false prophet. These three work together, but each has his own identity.

Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word “all.” They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word “all” to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their
right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.

Back to Rev.13. We have seven mountains and ten kings. Prophecy teachers want us to believe that a city with seven mountains is the seat of the antichrist and he rules with ten nations. Their logical conclusion was the Europe Union and the Vatican. This started the revived Roman empire theory. This theory has been around since the reformation. It is hard to believe this charade has gone on so long. Teachers are still preaching the Revived Roman Empire. This theory had some validity before the twentieth century and now has to be eliminated. None of these teachers could have predicted the fall of the Ottoman Empire and its division into so many separate sovereign nations. Back to our word substitution. There is an interesting item here concerning the word mountains in scripture. The word mountains can have two meanings. It can be either a mountain range, or a nation. This is the hardest part of this whole exercise, trying to figure out what mountains are describing. Teachers will have you believe it is a city with seven mountains. In actual fact, mountains here are referring to nations. This also pertains to the head wound. The wound was not a literal head wound at all, but was a nation that was wounded. The beast's head or nation was wounded and was healed. This is the Palestinian Authority after the beginning of the Oslo Accords. The land that Israel possessed was now being given back to the Palestinians and the beast's nation is being healed. Ok, so now I have seven nations and ten kings, Rev.13:1. Why do I have three more kings than nations? It seems I have a king for each nation, but three left over. In Daniel in says the beast subdued three kings. These three kings don't necessarily have to be from different countries. It seems so, but is not expressly mentioned. It is another parable. The three kings who were subdued by the beast were Israeli Prime Ministers. These three Prime Ministers all served during the seven years of the Oslo Accords and were voted out of office because of terror perpetrated during Yasser Arafat's rule. Now, I am down to seven nations. These seven nations will wage war. I can easily see seven nations that will wage war here very soon; Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iran and the Palestinian Authority or Iraq, and there opponent Israel. This is exactly the same beast that is presented in Rev.17:10, just in a slightly different appearance. There are seven kings, five are fallen. This means five kings were defeated in war. Israel is referred to the “one that is,” and the one that came later is the Palestinian Authority. This is a description of Israel's war for Independence. Literally, this was the beast being born. The war in 1967 is the beast rising up out of the sea in Rev.13:1. It was the unresolved issues of this conflict that resulted in the Oslo Accords of 1993. This seven year peace treaty was confirmed by Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

Now, there is another beast in Rev.13:11. This beast has two horns or kings. This is a picture of the Palestinian Authority after the elections of January 2006. This is when Hamas ran in the elections and won a majority in parliament. Now the P.A. was a country with two kings. Abbas was the President and Ismail Haniyeh was the Prime Minister. Here is where the problem with money came about. Western Nations did not want to donate money to a known terrorist organization so looked for a way they could still fund Abbas's P.A., but not let any money get to Hamas. This is when the number 666 identified an individual. The temporary international mechanism was adopted on June 16, 2006. This program allowed Western Nations to donate funds directly to Abbas, while bypassing Hamas. If you were a member of Fatah, or on Abbas's payroll you got paid. This is how the people were allowed to buy and sell. They received salaries, whereas before the mechanism, they had no way of getting paid from the Government. Hamas did not receive salaries. Also, Hamas did not receive the mark of the beast. They boycotted the elections for President in Jan. 2005.
It is more obvious who is being talked about the closer you get to the end.

In conclusion, to my three beast definitions. Mahmoud Abbas fits all three definitions. He was a member of the P.A. when it was formed. He took over from Yasser Arafat after his death. He was one of the two kings of the second beast in Rev.13:11. Lastly, he is the one identified by the number 666, which could have been Arafat had he lived.

Now, concerning the the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

Rev.13:11- and I beheld another beast coming up out of the Earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev.13:12- And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev.13:13- “And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the Earth in the sight of men”.
Rev.13:15- And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast, should be killed.

Hamas exercised all the power of the first beast (Abbas's P.A.) because they were now an equal partner in the Government. Also, the leader of Hamas caused them to worship or honor the first beast because Hamas would not honor the first beast. The first beast was the PA without Hamas as a member. The image of the beast is what the Government of Mahmoud Abbas represented. Verse 12 does not mention the image yet, we are just informed that the false prophet caused them to worship the first beast. Verse 14 and 15 gives the details of how that worshipping or honor was to commence. An image was created of the first beast that he (the false prophet) caused to be honored. This image of the beast is three items; the recognition of Israel, the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and a renunciation of terror.

The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similtude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistant with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to i
t happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

May God bless all who read this letter.

Michae1

777

How can you possibly try to explain something you have no understanding of?
The seven heads on all three beasts; Rev. 12; Rev. 13; and Rev. 17; all have the same meaning; they represent the seven kingdoms of the Bible.
Have you noticed that in Rev. 12 the beast has seven heads, ten horns, and “seven” crowns?
Have you noticed the beast in Rev. 13 has seven heads, ten horns, and “ten” crowns?
Have you noticed the beast in Rev. 17 has seven heads, ten horns, and “NO” crowns?
Explain that to me, and I will tel you more.

Georg

August 10, 2011 at 4:03 pm#255495

Ed J

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Hey Georg,

Glad to see you posting again!
I hope all is well with you and Irene?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

August 10, 2011 at 4:51 pm#255496

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Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2011,03:03)

Hey Georg,

Glad to see you posting again!
I hope all is well with you and Irene?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

All is well, I,m just bored.

Georg

August 10, 2011 at 5:27 pm#255501

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Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 11 2011,10:51)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 11 2011,03:03)

Hey Georg,

Glad to see you posting again!
I hope all is well with you and Irene?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

All is well, I,m just bored.

Georg

glad to see you even if you are bored

Pierre

August 11, 2011 at 6:22 pm#255589

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Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 11 2011,01:57)

Quote (michael777 @ Aug. 02 2011,12:15)

The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word “all.” They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word “all” to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All
people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.

Now, concerning the the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similtude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistant with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the correct timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak
Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

May God bless all who read this letter.

Michae1

777

Georg

Thank you for the greetings, how about taking on these questions?

Georg

August 11, 2011 at 6:42 pm#255590

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georg

Thank you for the greetings, how about taking on these questions?

Georg

what you think it means ?that some have crowns and some do not,?

horns means i believe ruling kings ,

Pierre

August 14, 2011 at 7:22 pm#255936

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Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 12 2011,05:42)

georg

Thank you for the greetings, how about taking on these questions?

Georg

what you think it means ?that some have crowns and some do not,?

horns means i believe ruling kings ,

Pierre

Yes, a horn symbolizes power, ruler or king.

A crown symbolizes power to rule.

So why are there seven crowns on the one beast; ten crowns on the second, and no crowns on the third?

All three beasts have seven heads, and ten horns.

Georg

August 14, 2011 at 7:31 pm#255941

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Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 15 2011,13:22)

terraricca,Aug. wrote:

georg

Quote

Thank you for the greetings, how about taking on these questions?

Georg

what you think it means ?that some have crowns and some do not,?

horns means i believe ruling kings ,

Pierre

Yes, a horn symbolizes power, ruler or king.

A crown symbolizes power to rule.

So why are there seven crowns on the one beast; ten crowns on the second, and no crowns on the third?

All three beasts have seven heads, and ten horns.

Georg

I got a question how many hornes are on the seventh head ?

since it says that they are ten horns,

Pierre

August 15, 2011 at 1:20 am#255972

mikeangel

Participant

Official accepting Statue on behalf of US: President Grover Cleveland

Date of Acceptance by President: October 28, 1886

Part of Acceptance Statement by President Cleveland:

“We will not forget that liberty here made her home;
nor shall her chosen altar be neglected.”

Some highlights of the Statue Inscription:

…a mighty woman with a torch
and her name Mother of Exiles.
“Keep ancient lands your storied pomp!”
cries she with silent lips.
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

Emma Lazarus (1849-1887)

The idol Ishtar (represented by the Statue of Liberty) was known, in ancient Babylon, as the goddess of personal freedom and the goddess of immigrants. The following was taken from, “America the Babylon” by Richard Coombs:

Ishtar was called the matron goddess of prostitution because she promoted sexual freedom. Indeed, she had invented the concept. Slaves considered her their goddess in the hopes of winning their freedom. Many women who gained freedom later turned to prostitution to survive and thereby retained Libertas as their goddess, especially if they became priestesses in the Libertas cult. Libertas was also a goddess of war in order to fight for freedom. She was also referred at times as the goddess of victory because freedom must have victory in order to survive. This goddess was also the goddess of immigrants. The whole idea of immigration connoted the idea of freedom. Her popularity was also unique because of her unique doctrine of hearing personal prayers. This unique doctrine was something that most of the pagan deity doctrines were not disposed towards.

We know that this goddess existed because of the records left behind to us. We have the ancient writings of Cicero who writes of this goddess and her Temple on the Aventine Way in Rome. She was depicted on some Roman coins as wearing a freedom cap and having a wreath along with a spear or sometimes a sword. Such coin images were not the only depictions. Sometimes she was well robed and at other times seductively unclothed in both sculptures and paintings. We know of Libertas being referred to as the Mother of Harlots by the famous Roman historian (and senator) Cicero's writings. Cicero indicates that she was also a very early goddess of the Greeks even before early Roman civilization developed.

This very freedom has brought to these shores (America) every false religion known to man. Even if one were to have the wisdom of Solomon, they would still be vulnerable to the snares of false religions. Solomon committed fornication with the whore of Revelation 17…

1 Kings 11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other elohim: and his heart was not perfect with YHWH his Elohim, as was the heart of David his father. 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

Again, Revelation 17, verses 1 and 15 call her a whore that sits upon many waters, which seems to represent the entire world!

Revelation 17:16-17 talks about ten kings hating the whore and making her desolate…

17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For YHWH hath put in their hearts to fulfil His will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of YHWH shall be fulfilled.

The Beast is going to be a one world religion/government that will not tolerate religious freedom of any kind. (see 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)

Notice how the following verse in Revelation ties chapter 17, religious Babylon, with chapter 18, commercial Babylon…

Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

I'm just sayin. It's getting close my friends……

August 15, 2011 at 8:17 pm#256055

mikeangel

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The Beast Revelation

This letter is dedicated to all Christians.

Now to dissect Revelation 13. As I have already stated, Revelation 13 is a word substitution parable. The seven heads are seven mountains and the ten horns are ten kings. Ok, we know from this description that the beast as described is a group of possibly ten countries. This brings me to another point. There are three definitions for the beast in Revelation 13. The first is a group of countries rising up out of the sea. The second is in Rev.13:11 and is a beast with two horns (kings). Remember horns are kings as per Rev. 17. Finally, there is a beast who is identified by the number 666. It is this last beast that causes all to receive a mark and that no man can buy and sell save he who has the mark, his number, or his name. There are three items here. Nowhere does it say that the mark is the number 666. This might have been a good guess 20 yrs. ago , but it is pretty hard to believe. Imagine people running around with a mark of 666 on their right hands. It sounds like a cartoon, but this is what the prophecy teachers want you to believe. Ok, another problem that sounds like a cartoon is the interpretation of the word “all.” They want you to believe that no man could buy or sell if they did not worship the beast and take his mark. Interpreting the word “all” to mean everyone in the world. This is not the case. For one, we know that the beast is made up of only possibly ten countries. Everyone in this world lives in roughly 190 countries. I don't think we could
possibly mean everyone. How about, all of those people concerned with the mark. Also, how do you cause all people concerned to receive a mark, and why? The most obvious way to mark everyone is at the voting booth. All people, rich and poor, small and great, or free and bond are potential voters. So, Mahmoud Abbas was elected president of the Palestinian Authority, and in the process all voters received an indelible ink mark on their right hands. This mark was to prevent double voting and corruption in the election. Ok, we have a mark. It is not 666. At this point he fits the part, but not completely. Still, there is no ready identification of 666 concerning him. This election was in January 2005.

Now, concerning the the false prophet. The following four verses below all refer to the false prophet, Ismail Haniyeh.

The last question I think that needs addressed is how do you know the timing is right? Meaning, there have been so many translations, how do you know that this one is correct? This is a question I always get asked. The answer, in my mind, is sort of a mix between two different prophecies. The first is the seven day prophecy as recorded in Genesis. It is a similtude between this and the amount of recorded time that has already happened on Earth. In the book of Peter, God says one day to him is as a thousand years. If that idea is applied to the Genesis creation, everyday that God created something one thousand years passed. Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam. Starting with Adam, it was approximately 4000 years to the time of Christ. Also, we know that Christ was here roughly 2000 years ago. If God was to be consistant with his one week schedule, then we could expect his day of rest to fall somewhere after the year two thousand. 4000 plus 2000 is six days and on the seventh he rested for one thousand years. This is not an exact estimate, but it can put you in the right ballpark when searching for the corr
ect timing of Revelation. This is the estimate. The next item is more exact. Daniel 9:27 says that he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Many in Hebrew is Rab. This was a covenant confirmed with Yitzhak Rabin. It was the beginning of land for peace, or the Oslo Accords. When you see this agreement happen you should be aware that this prophecy will last seven years. There is only one problem with this item. Prior to it happening, everyone thought that the end of the seventh year of the agreement God would return and begin his rest. Well, that did not happen. The reason was a logical misinterpretation. It just mentions that this agreement must occur along with the prophecies mentioned, not that they would all happen and end on the last day of the seventh year. This has thrown everyone watching off-course for a time. Although, this was not such a terrible mistake if the watcher could see the right answer and get his, or her perspective back. When you have these two items coinciding at the expected time, then you know Revelation can be interpreted with accuracy. The events should start happening, as they have, as I have recorded in this letter.

May God bless all who read this letter.

Michae1

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Georg

Thank you for the greetings, how about taking on these questions?

Georg

How can you possibly try to explain something you have no understanding of?
This could be you too. Peace

August 15, 2011 at 9:37 pm#256063