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Quote Thinker………I worship the FATHER (ONLY) as the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, as Jesus said, YOU on the other hand worship Three MYSTERIOUS FORMS of GOD. The GOD I worship is SPIRIT and Has NEVER Been FLESH. He lives vicariously through His creation His spirit is in all things that has Life in them. He operates through the MINDS of HIS Childern and that includes Jesus and all who Have His Spirit in them. NO TRIUNE ANYTHING, ALL WHO TEACH AND PREACH THE TRINITY ARE (IDOLATERS) and false teachers.; TO ALL:
Gene claims that he worships the Father only. But the whole creation worships the Father and the Son:
“And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
'Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!' “Gene and others here pride themselves that they are dissenters from the Catholic Church. But in reality they dissent from the rest of creation which worships both the Father and the Son. While the rest of creation worships in God's way Gene and others decide for themselves how they will worship God. This is what dissenters do. They go their own way.
thinker
Hi TT,
So for you there are two gods and one is the Son?
So why do you hold to BINITY and keep claiming you worship one God?
You follow the leaders of the great apostasy away from the simplicity of God's Word.
2Cor 11Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 30 2009,04:45) Hi TT,
So for you there are two gods and one is the Son?
So why do you hold to BINITY and keep claiming you worship one God?
You follow the leaders of the great apostasy away from the simplicity of God's Word.
2Cor 11
You're a dissenter Nick. Admit that you chose your own way over God's way.“They have each turned to His own way” (Paul).
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 30 2009,05:40) Hi TT,
God's way does not include man's derived trinity.
That insults Him.
God's way includes worshiping the Son with the Father as shown in the OP. All creation submits except the Arain dissenters.thinker
Hi TT,
But you tell us there are three but somehow you cannot be consistent about this?
You have yet to obey the Lord Jesus and uphold his teachings against the speculations of men.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 30 2009,06:41) Hi TT,
But you tell us there are three but somehow you cannot be consistent about this?
You have yet to obey the Lord Jesus and uphold his teachings against the speculations of men.
When did I ever say that there were less than three persons in the godhead?thinker
Hi TT,
What you say is not that relevant compared with what scripture says.
God is one and has a monogenes son.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 30 2009,09:03) Hi TT,
What you say is not that relevant compared with what scripture says.
God is one and has a monogenes son.
So I never said that there were less than three pesrsons in the godhead right?thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 30 2009,09:19) Hi TT,
You often mention two gods but sometimes three.
God is one.
I never have mentioned more than one God. It is by your calculations I speak of more than one God. If that was the case then you have mentioned more than one Lord. You have said that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all Lord.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 30 2009,09:19) Hi TT,
You often mention two gods but sometimes three.
God is one.
Will you worship the Father AND the Lamb with all of creation? Or will you continue to number yourself among the dissenters?thinker
Hi TT,
WILL YOU you ask?But you do now.
We bow to and give obesience to the given authority of the Son of God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 30 2009,09:59) Hi TT,
WILL YOU you ask?But you do now.
We bow to and give obesience to the given authority of the Son of God.
The whole creation gives to the Lamb what is given to the Father:“And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
'Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!' “Note that all of creation gives to the Lamb what is given to the Father and nothing less.
So you are a dissenter Nick
thinker
thinker……Why not worship who Jesus said to worship and who He worshiped, GOD the FATHER ONLY. Unless you believe Jesus went to himself and worshiped Himself. The Trinity is not only a FALSE teaching it is Blasphemous, to the SPIRIT. Where did Jesus ever say He was a GOD? or where did he ever say (HE) Created everything. Or Where did He ever say to worship HIM. Surely if He were a GOD he would have required it of US. The closest he came to say any thing was that were should Honor the Son even as we HONOR the FATHER. HONOR Means (RESPECT HIM) not WORSHIP HIM. Even when we Honor in submission it is the the GLORY of the FATHER, NOT HIM. GOD the FATHER has said we Should not worship any other GOD as a GOD, but HIM ALONE and He Told Us there Is NO OTHER GOD BESIDES HIM> What part of that, you trinitarians cant stand to Believe. But you brazen Trinitarians think you can trample under foot GOD'S Direct Commandments to US, and CREATE another GOD, When HE (PLAINLY) SAYS THERE IS (NO) OTHER GOD BESIDES HIM ALONE. ARE you deaf to scripture can you not read the simple truth, or has a spirit of (DELUSION) over taken you?
gene
Quote (Gene @ Dec. 29 2009,18:09) ARE you deaf to scripture can you not read the simple truth, or has a spirit of (DELUSION) over taken you? gene
GeneWe are kinda wondering the same about you!
It must hurt your ears that the scritpures says Jesus is God or he is the “Only Lord and Master” or that he sits in the throne with the Father being worshipped or that he has not yet subjected himself to the Father or the Kingdom!
These scriptural facts must really bother you seeing that your theology disagrees with them!
WJ
WJ………..TO simplify this JUST SHOW US A SINGLE SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS EVER SAID HE WAS GOD. My Bible says He was going to His FATHER and OUR FATHER, HIS GOD and OUR GOD, interestingly He seem to forgot to includes his self as a GOD in that Statement, And When Jesus was Praying to HIS GOD and OUR GOD, He said FOR THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD. So tell us who you TRINITARIANS can just ignore those as if the do not exist in you own bibles. AMAZING< the degree of disillusionment, that you can't even understand simple straight forward scriptures , but just continue to deny they even exist in your bibles. Truly Amazing
Quote (Gene @ Dec. 29 2009,18:28) WJ………..TO simplify this JUST SHOW US A SINGLE SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS EVER SAID HE WAS GOD. My Bible says He was going to His FATHER and OUR FATHER, HIS GOD and OUR GOD, interestingly He seem to forgot to includes his self as a GOD in that Statement, And When Jesus was Praying to HIS GOD and OUR GOD, He said FOR THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD. So tell us who you TRINITARIANS can just ignore those as if the do not exist in you own bibles. AMAZING< the degree of disillusionment, that you can't even understand simple straight forward scriptures , but just continue to deny they even exist in your bibles. Truly Amazing
GeneYou didn't as usuall address my points but instead continue with your pre-ressurection claims.
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:7
Do you see it Gene?
He didn't say Thomas should have known God in him or henceforth he knows God in him or he has seen God in him, did he? Now couple this with the Apostles personally calling him God and you have your proof!
Gene is my points in scripture or not! Why do you not answer them?
WJ
Quote (Gene @ Dec. 30 2009,10:09) thinker……Why not worship who Jesus said to worship and who He worshiped, GOD the FATHER ONLY. Unless you believe Jesus went to himself and worshiped Himself. The Trinity is not only a FALSE teaching it is Blasphemous, to the SPIRIT. Where did Jesus ever say He was a GOD? or where did he ever say (HE) Created everything. Or Where did He ever say to worship HIM. Surely if He were a GOD he would have required it of US. The closest he came to say any thing was that were should Honor the Son even as we HONOR the FATHER. HONOR Means (RESPECT HIM) not WORSHIP HIM. Even when we Honor in submission it is the the GLORY of the FATHER, NOT HIM. GOD the FATHER has said we Should not worship any other GOD as a GOD, but HIM ALONE and He Told Us there Is NO OTHER GOD BESIDES HIM> What part of that, you trinitarians cant stand to Believe. But you brazen Trinitarians think you can trample under foot GOD'S Direct Commandments to US, and CREATE another GOD, When HE (PLAINLY) SAYS THERE IS (NO) OTHER GOD BESIDES HIM ALONE. ARE you deaf to scripture can you not read the simple truth, or has a spirit of (DELUSION) over taken you? gene
Gene,
Hebrews 6:1-2 says that we are to abandon the “elementary teachings of Christ.” Faith in God as you understand it is old covenant and to is to be abandonedQuote Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary doctrines of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. New covenant faith in God requires us to have faith in Christ.
Quote These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. We are under the apostolic requirement now which is faith in Christ. Get with God's new covenant program Gene. Your old covenant ways amount to disobedience. The whole creation worships the Father AND the Lamb (Revelation 5:13). If this is “blasphemy” then I blaspheme with all of creation.
Don't be a dissenter Gene!
thinker
thinker……The elementary teachings of or (ABOUT)Christ has nothing to do with the Old Testament, it has to do with the fundamental or basic teachings about Jesus, (him dying for our sins and raising from the dead and etc) But you trinitarians cant understand that so you try to push the Old Testament away, as if its teachings were not relevant, But interestingly the Beraens did not think that way and Paul commended them as being more Noble then those in Thesolnica because they searched the Scriptures (old Testament) to see if these things were so or not. Is there no end to you Trinitarian tricks to twist the plain words of GOD? YOU WHO PREACH Jesus as a GOD , go read 2 Ths 2 and see what happens to those who have turned the IMAGE of the man Jesus into the Man of SIN by preaching a LIE, and that LIE is that Jesus is GOD, and Jesus will abolished it at His return by His very own Mouth, as It say He will. Then that LIE will never again be taught and that LIE (IS) the JESUS IS A GOD. That should cause you and WJ some very deep concern thinker. IMO
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