The Angel of the LORD

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
I realise demanding that your terms are met is your style.
But this is not a dictatorship.

If you really are a TEACHER OF GOD why do you offer what is not of Scripture like angels becoming men?

It seems to point to you being a false teacher

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,06:19)

Hi ED, I realise demanding that your terms are met is your style. But this is not a dictatorship.

Hi Nick,

Is this another assumption on your part?
I ain't demanding anything from you.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Those who are CALLED to be teachers should not offer what is not scriptural should they?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,07:30)

Hi ED, Those who are CALLED to be teachers should not offer what is not scriptural should they?

Hi Nick,

Do you mean like talking about what the hereafter might be like?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
We either serve a master and abide in his words or we should reconsider if we were CALLED to be a teacher surely?

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,07:52)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,07:30) Hi ED, Those who are CALLED to be teachers should not offer what is not scriptural should they? Hi Nick, Do you mean like talking about what the hereafter might be like? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Nick,

That doesn't appear to be an answer to my question?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
Perhaps another thread might be appropriate for that discussion.
The angel of the Lord moves and speaks and acts by the Spirit of God.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,09:16)

Hi T8, So do you have any scriptural witnesses to Jesus possibly being an angel? Otherwise the motion lapses. Heb 1.5 makes a point about angels not being THE SON OF GOD

I have provided this scripture a number of times.

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.”

Also, I guess you deny that men can be angels too. But we know that scripture says that some men are angels.

Also, can you honestly say that Jesus is not the Messenger of YHWH or even a messenger of YHWH? If not, then you are admitting that it is at least possible that he is a or the Messenger of YHWH.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ May 13 2012,22:13)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,18:41) Which ANGEL was God speaking about that was made the SON OF GOD or do you now admit you were wrong to say Jesus was an angel? Nick I beleive you are wrong on this. Here is why: “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.” John the Baptist is called a messenger/angel. “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me” Confirmed here. Matthew 11:10 “For this is he, of whom it is WRITTEN, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.” Jesus Christ is also called the angel/messenger in the second part of the verse.

Hi T8,

I disagree with you, and here's why:
John prepared the way, which was the way
of “God's Word” becoming flesh. (see John 1:14)
Matthew 11:10 is entirely about John the baptist!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Ed J @ May 31 2012,00:09)

Quote (t8 @ May 13 2012,22:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,18:41) Which ANGEL was God speaking about that was made the SON OF GOD or do you now admit you were wrong to say Jesus was an angel? Nick I beleive you are wrong on this. Here is why: “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.” John the Baptist is called a messenger/angel. “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me” Confirmed here. Matthew 11:10 “For this is he, of whom it is WRITTEN, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.” Jesus Christ is also called the angel/messenger in the second part of the verse. Hi T8, I disagree with you, and here's why: John prepared the way, which was the way of “God's Word” becoming flesh. (see John 1:14) Matthew 11:10 is entirely about John the baptist! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yes I know you disagree Edj. Thanks for your view..

Your view is that this description is John the Baptist.
“even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come”

Not that it makes it right, but it is widely accepted that this is Jesus Christ, so forgive me if I don't believe your view without question. Of course some decent reasoning or proof could help sway me to how you see it.

[Ed J]

Hi T8, you got the story confused.
The messenger of the covenant is Jesus.

Malachi 3:1 mentions both, John the Baptist:
the messenger that shall prepare the way, for the
messenger of the covenant which is Jesus Christ the Lord.

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I colorized the verse of Mal 3:1 for you to see
the difference between Jesus and John the Baptist:

John the Baptist = Green
and Jesus Christ = Blue

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare “the way”(Jesus Christ) before me(JEHOVAH):
and the Lord (JEHOVAH), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple(John 1:14), even the messenger of the covenant (Jesus Christ),
whom ye delight in: behold, he(My Spirit) shall come, saith (JEHOVAH) the “LORD of Hosts”.

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John the Baptist was a “Host”, Jesus Christ was a “Host” and
we also are “Hosts” to the “HolySpirit” of Jehovah our “GOD”!

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi T8,

You may or may not believe as I do,
but at least I want to to be clear
as to exactly what I believe;
NO MISCONCEPTIONS.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
The HOSTS surely are the angels.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ May 30 2012,22:12)

I colorized the verse of Mal 3:1 for you to see the difference between Jesus and John the Baptist: John the Baptist = Green and Jesus Christ = Blue Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare “the way”(Jesus Christ) before me(JEHOVAH): and the Lord (JEHOVAH), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple(John 1:14), even the messenger of the covenant (Jesus Christ), whom ye delight in: behold, he(My Spirit) shall come, saith (JEHOVAH) the “LORD of Hosts”.

Hi Nick,

Please comment on your understanding of this verse, Nick; OK?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

Mal 3:1
Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare the way before me(God):

and the Lord (God ), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple(God as Spirit in Jesus Christ), even the messenger of the covenant (Jesus Christ),

whom ye delight in: behold, he(My Spirit) shall come, saith (God) the “LORD of Hosts”[Hosts of angels].

John the Baptist does not PREPARE Jesus Christ.
This is the only time Jesus is called the MESSENGER so any witnesses do not exist for developing theories he was an ANGEL.

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

We pretty much see “eye to eye” on this verse then.     …Good!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2012,00:52)

Hi Ed, Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare the way before me(God): and the Lord (God ), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple(God as Spirit in Jesus Christ), even the messenger of the covenant (Jesus Christ), whom ye delight in: behold, he(My Spirit) shall come, saith (God) the “LORD of Hosts”[Hosts of angels]. John the Baptist does not PREPARE Jesus Christ. This is the only time Jesus is called the MESSENGER so any witnesses do not exist for developing theories he was an ANGEL.

Nick, Ed J., and T8;

John the Baptist is the messenger but “me” is Jehovah dwelling in Jesus through the Spirit.

[Ed J]

Quote (kerwin @ May 31 2012,06:07)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2012,00:52) Hi Ed, Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare the way before me(God): and the Lord (God ), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple(God as Spirit in Jesus Christ), even the messenger of the covenant (Jesus Christ), whom ye delight in: behold, he(My Spirit) shall come, saith (God) the “LORD of Hosts”[Hosts of angels]. John the Baptist does not PREPARE Jesus Christ. This is the only time Jesus is called the MESSENGER so any witnesses do not exist for developing theories he was an ANGEL. Nick, Ed J., and T8; John the Baptist is the messenger but “me” is Jehovah dwelling in Jesus through the Spirit.

Hi Kerwin,

That is what both me and Nick have both professed, Kerwin.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

To all;

Matthew 3
New International Version (NIV)

3 In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea 2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.” 3 This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah:

“A voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
   make straight paths for him.’”[a]

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Ed J @ May 31 2012,01:12)

Hi T8, you got the story confused. The messenger of the covenant is Jesus. Malachi 3:1 mentions both, John the Baptist: the messenger that shall prepare the way, for the messenger of the covenant which is Jesus Christ the Lord.

Edj.
Are you joking with me? If not, then you are the one who is confused.

This is exactly what I was saying all a long.
Because you disagreed with what I was saying, I assumed that you denied that Jesus was called a messenger in this scripture because you said it was about John the Baptist and not Jesus at all, when I was saying that both Jesus and John were being referenced.

It appears you are now saying that indeed Jesus was a messenger too which is the same as saying that Jesus was an angel as the English words messenger and angel are the same Greek word.

Why does everything take so long to establish here. If we read what others are actually saying then it would be much easier for all.

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