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  • #289681
    journey42
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    I don't like answering on page no 1001, because there's too many posts to catch up on.  So I'll just start a new post.  
    This is how I see the scripture and I hope you can see it too.

    1John 4:1   Beloved believe not every spirit but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    1John 4:2   Hereby know ye the Spirit of God:  Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

    1John 4:3   And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    Beloved, believe not every spirit
    what spirit?  we know if someone worships budah, krishna, of the queen of heaven then they are not of the spirit of God. So was God referring to them?  maybe a little, but I think not, because that's an easy one to pick….obvious
    what about the spirit of the 7 churches in Rev 2-3?  these are “christian churches” and nearly all of them had something wrong with them.  They were given heavy warnings to overcome.

    but try the spirits whether they are of God
    test them.  See what they are preaching.  Does it line up with the Word of God? What is their doctrine?

    because many false prophets are gone out into the world
    where do these false prophets end up?  In churches.  They produce a belief system, a doctrine, and they have followers, and the followers multiply.

    Hereby know ye the Spirit of God

    Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
    I believe the Son of God came in the flesh, do you?

    And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
    well that's the whole unbelieving world isn't it?…no not really.  This includes christians as well, because you say
    God came in the flesh
    or you can re-word it if you like;
    Christ came in the flesh, but it was really God?

    and this is that spirit of antichrist
    this is the one. That spirit.
    The one that went into the false prophets that spread this false doctrine.
    The false prophets who started their churches.
    The ones teaching & denying the glory that God gave his only son.
    Denying that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
    What an accomplishment for Christ. What an example to us he was!  To come in the flesh, and endure the hatred, the poverty, the pain, the sorrow and even die for us.
    He did it all by himself, was obedient to his Father till death….it was really him.  That's why he receives the crown of glory,
    …because he deserves it.  
    …..He earn't it.  
    It wasn't just because of grace,
    …….it was because of his deeds as well.  His self control, his faith,
    his trust & honour for the Father.
    And you don't even realise it
    because you think he was God the Father all along?
    …and God rewarded himself?
    are you giving the Son of God the glory he deserves?
    ..the glory God gave his son?

    and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
    this is no new spirit, it's been around for a while, for it goes in and corrupts the truth

    1John 4:3   And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
    so what spirit are you going to listen to?

    Test the spirits

    #289684
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Journey 42…………….believe you not that the Father is (IN) Me? if Not then believe in the Miracles   and again, The Son of Man can do “NOTHING” of HIMSELF , the Father who is (IN) Me “HE” does the WORKS God was truly (IN) Jesus, remember What Thomas said, My Lord (AND) my GOD. God's Presence was truly there. Your spirit has be tried and found wanting, Before i accuse others i would make sure what i was saying was true or not> IMO

    peace and love…………………………………………………….gene

    #289695
    terraricca
    Participant

    1TH 2:4 but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who examines our hearts.

    #289721
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi J42,
    The theory that there were two, Father and Son, together in heaven underlies most traditional theology in various ways.

    Do you support this idea and, if so, on what basis?

    #289723
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi J42,
    God identified His prophesied Son[ps2, pr 30]at the Jordan after the anointing.
    Then the Son was sent into the world.

    #289728
    terraricca
    Participant

    J42

    Quote
    I don't like answering on page no 1001, because there's too many posts to catch up on. So I'll just start a new post.
    This is how I see the scripture and I hope you can see it too.

    some say that with the bible ,

    but I see you like to teach ,not learning from others but make others learn from you right ???

    #289840
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 03 2012,23:31)
    Journey 42…………….believe you not that the Father is (IN) Me? if Not then believe in the Miracles   and again, The Son of Man can do “NOTHING” of HIMSELF , the Father who is (IN) Me “HE” does the WORKS God was truly (IN) Jesus, remember What Thomas said, My Lord (AND) my GOD. God's Presence was truly there. Your spirit has be tried and found wanting, Before i accuse others i would make sure what i was saying was true or not> IMO

    peace and love…………………………………………………….gene


    Hi Gene

    Of course the Father was in Christ.  Everything Christ learn't was from his Father.  The Father commanded and the word obeyed.  That word was God's.  His own word. No one else's. Then he turned his word into flesh, and that flesh became the man Jesus Christ, his son, a human being who dwelt on this earth and suffered for the love of the truth which comes from his father. Christ has his own mind & identity, and the ability to make choices, and he chose to obey the will of the Father completely.
    He is the perfect example to us, without fault, that if we take heed to God's word, then we can also receive the crown of life and overcome anything, just like he did

    ….but there is a different spirit out there Gene, the one who says that Jesus was really God the Father.  This deny's that Christ came in the flesh.  Can you see my point?

    but they will twist it and say to me, you deny the diety of Christ, when they are the ones who are in fact, because they refuse to acknowledge the glory that God gave his son, and because of this spirit that has gone out into the world, they cannot believe that Christ can accomplish such a feat, that he must of been really God the Father?

    I am not accusing anybody.  My post is about that spirit that we were warned about, that has gone into the false prophets, and infiltrated a lot of churches.  This is the spirit of the antichrist…..this spirit is against Christ, distorting the truth and spreading deceit.

    I'm concerned that you find this offensive?

    #289841
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ April 04 2012,02:19)
    1TH 2:4 but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who examines our hearts.


    Thats right Pierre,
    hang on, let me get my King James….

    …but God who tries our hearts
    tries, put to the test.

    and your point is?

    #289842
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi j42,
    The Father did not come in the flesh but the Word OF God did and became Jesus Christ at the Jordan.
    So by the prophetic ways of scripture Jesus Christ, the Son of God, has come in the flesh

    #289843
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,07:32)
    Hi J42,
    The theory that there were two, Father and Son, together in heaven underlies most traditional theology in various ways.

    Do you support this idea and, if so, on what basis?


    Hi Nick

    Greetings to you.  Long time no speak.

    For starters, I do not call it a theory that there were two, Father and Son.  I call it a fact.  This other so called “theory” or teaching of the trinity has corrupted the truth.  Mainstream christianity comes from the churches, churches come from the world, and this is where that spirit has gone into.  The larger flock.  Can you name one person that has not been church taught that believes in the trinity?  

    I support this truth because of many verses.  Too many to name.

    Matthew 3:17   And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    Matthew 8:29   And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

    Matthew 11:27   All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

    Matthew 16:16   And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. [/b]

    Matthew 27:43   He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

    Matthew 27:54   Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

    Mark 1:1   The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

    John 5:19  Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

    John 5:20   For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

    John 5:21   For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

    John 5:22   For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

    John 5:23   That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

    John 5:25   Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

    John 5:26   For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

    John 3:18   He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    John 3:35  The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

    #289844
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,18:20)
    Hi j42,
    The Father did not come in the flesh but the Word OF God did and became Jesus Christ at the Jordan.
    So by the prophetic ways of scripture Jesus Christ, the Son of God, has come in the flesh


    I believe as you do, but do not know what you are talking about when you say the Word of God became Jesus Christ at the Jordon Can you please explain to me?

    #289845
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ April 04 2012,08:17)
    J42

    Quote
    I don't like answering on page no 1001, because there's too many posts to catch up on.  So I'll just start a new post.  
    This is how I see the scripture and I hope you can see it too.

    some say that with the bible ,

    but I see you like to teach ,not learning from others but make others learn from you right ???


    Hi Pierre

    I am not a teacher, but like to share. This is a christian chat site. We chat, we talk, we discuss, we rebuke, we love, and we can sometimes be mean to each other…right Pierre?

    I do not have many to talk to in my little world regarding our Lord, the truth, the bible and everything associated with his heavenly name, so I'll talk to the ones who like talking about the same thing, right from the privacy of my own room. I also make stupid little errors because I type faster than I think, but the Lord always corrects me straight away, and as you have probably gathered, I am not a bright spark, but very simple, yet weaned off the milk.

    So if you want to join in the conversation you are more than welcome.

    #289846
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Georgie,

    Nice to see you starting threads and participating now
    in more than just speculative futuristic Prophecies.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #289851
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ April 04 2012,18:49)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,18:20)
    Hi j42,
    The Father did not come in the flesh but the Word OF God did and became Jesus Christ at the Jordan.
    So by the prophetic ways of scripture Jesus Christ, the Son of God, has come in the flesh


    I believe as you do, but do not know what you are talking about when you say the Word of God became Jesus Christ at the Jordon  Can you please explain to me?


    Hi j42,
    Jesus of Nazareth was not the Word.

    He was an ordinary man and since the strength of God shows up best in weak vessels he was unlikely to have been strong[Is53]

    But guided and disciplined by his Father[heb12]he loved scripture and obeyed the Law and was cleansed by it. Chosen and called by God to the Jordan he submitted to the requirement to be washed by the prophet who identified his situation and his future role.

    The plan of God was to send the Holy Spirit [the Word who was of God and with Him and self emptied to be a servant spirit] and the Word was made flesh when Jesus was anointed and became Jesus Christ[the anointed one, the messiah].

    Firstborn of the Spirit as the Son of God, Jesus was transformed as Jesus Christ. The Word is of the Spirit, and God is in the Word and the Word is in God. Thus when the Word[Spirit of Christ ] came so also did the Father's Spirit too.

    Then the Father fully used the submitted vessel Jesus Christ to be as God on earth teaching and healing and preaching the way of salvation. The servant Spirit in Jesus called God His Father and prayed to Him and for us. Their unity is eternal in that Spirit.

    #289857
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 04 2012,19:08)
    Hi Georgie,

    Nice to see you starting threads and participating now
    in more than just speculative futuristic Prophecies.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org


    Thanks for your encouragement Ed. Now what are your thoughts about this topic?

    #289858
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,20:55)

    Quote (journey42 @ April 04 2012,18:49)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,18:20)
    Hi j42,
    The Father did not come in the flesh but the Word OF God did and became Jesus Christ at the Jordan.
    So by the prophetic ways of scripture Jesus Christ, the Son of God, has come in the flesh


    I believe as you do, but do not know what you are talking about when you say the Word of God became Jesus Christ at the Jordon  Can you please explain to me?


    Hi j42,
    Jesus of Nazareth was not the Word.

    He was an ordinary man and since the strength of God shows up best in weak vessels he was unlikely to have been strong[Is53]

    But guided and disciplined by his Father[heb12]he loved scripture and obeyed the Law and was cleansed by it. Chosen and called by God to the Jordan he submitted to the requirement to be washed by the prophet who identified his situation and his future role.

    The plan of God was to send the Holy Spirit [the Word who was of God and with Him and self emptied to be a servant spirit] and the Word was made flesh when Jesus was anointed and became Jesus Christ[the anointed one, the messiah].

    Firstborn of the Spirit as the Son of God, Jesus was transformed as Jesus Christ. The Word is of the Spirit, and God is in the Word and the Word is in God. Thus when the Word[Spirit of Christ ] came so also did the Father's Spirit too.

    Then the Father fully used the submitted vessel Jesus Christ to be as God on earth teaching and healing and preaching the way of salvation. The servant Spirit in Jesus called God His Father and prayed to Him and for us. Their unity is eternal in that Spirit.


    Hi Nick

    Thanks for your explanation.

    I'm trying to understand how you understand this.
    You say Jesus of Nazareth was not the Word?

    John 1:1   In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    John 1:14   And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we behold his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

    I believe the verses above indicate that the Word became Jesus, as soon as he was conceived, he was made flesh…and dwelt among us as soon as he was born, and of course he did not start his ministry in the womb, but much later, however, the Word was transformed into Christ at conception.
    He was an ordinary man yes, born just like us, but you are forgetting that he was born according to the will of God, and not according to the will of man.  His seed is of his Father, planted into Mary.

    I don't really know how to comment on Christ being cleansed?  As no sin was found in him…unlike us.  But if you can give me scripture then maybe I can understand this better.

    When Christ was baptised, he was not washed clean, because he was already clean…
    This was an example for our sakes….
    first be baptised with water,
    to openly declare that we accept & wish to follow him,  
    then with the holy spirit later…
    a far more superior type of baptising for those who wish to feed on the truth with a pure heart,
    hunger for God,
    and a thirst for spiritual knowledge
    The water baptism had to be done to fulfil the scriptures yes you are right,
    but it was a stepping stone
    because
    the holy spirit was not given out until afterhis death,
    so water baptism was the only way for them then, but for us now, theres the better way.  
    I don't believe that water baptism is necessary in this day of age,
    because water baptism doesn't save,
    but baptism of the holy spirit does,
    because it comes straight from Christ
    who has the power to give it,
    and water baptism is from men,
    and not a holy approved chosen disciple who was prophesied, endorsed & certified in writing.

    but if some want to be baptised in water, I am not against it. It's like when you give up smoking…
    you put a patch on,
    everyone sees it,
    you know it's there
    you rub it with your hand when you are craving,
    to remind you that you made a choice
    to change.

    #289859
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 04 2012,19:08)
    Hi Georgie,

    Nice to see you starting threads and participating now
    in more than just speculative futuristic Prophecies.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org


    Hello again Ed,

    Why don't you answer wakeup's questions in the prophesy question. He's waiting. Have you given up, or run out of scriptures?

    #289866
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ April 05 2012,01:59)

    Quote (terraricca @ April 04 2012,08:17)
    J42

    Quote
    I don't like answering on page no 1001, because there's too many posts to catch up on.  So I'll just start a new post.  
    This is how I see the scripture and I hope you can see it too.

    some say that with the bible ,

    but I see you like to teach ,not learning from others but make others learn from you right ???


    Hi Pierre

    I am not a teacher, but like to share.  This is a christian chat site.  We chat, we talk, we discuss, we rebuke, we love, and we can sometimes be mean to each other…right Pierre?

    I do not have many to talk to in my little world regarding our Lord, the truth, the bible and everything associated with his heavenly name, so I'll talk to the ones who like talking about the same thing, right from the privacy of my own room.  I also make stupid little errors because I type faster than I think, but the Lord always corrects me straight away, and as you have probably gathered, I am not a bright spark, but very simple, yet weaned off the milk.

    So if you want to join in the conversation you are more than welcome.


    J42

    what was wrong with the old golden chest  full of good stones ???

    keep building a new one each time does not help ,its like going back to first grade ,each time you are overwhelmed,

    and for your info ,try only to consider the first 10 pages of a topic after that it is repetition,

    #289880
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ April 05 2012,00:16)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 04 2012,19:08)
    Hi Georgie,

    Nice to see you starting threads and participating now
    in more than just speculative futuristic Prophecies.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J


    Hello again Ed,

    Why don't you answer wakeup's questions in the prophesy question.  He's waiting.  Have you given up, or run out of scriptures?


    Hi Georgie,

    I have answered his yes/no questions, have I not?
    Seems he wants to argue about his speculations.
    I do not believe that is productive in the least.

    If however he wants to discuss fulfilled Prophecy,
    I would certainly be willing to do that, as that
    would bring greater understanding to us all.

    Please pass on this information to your uncle for me; OK?
    As for a response to this topic, I will give you one soon.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #289882
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ April 05 2012,00:03)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,20:55)

    Quote (journey42 @ April 04 2012,18:49)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2012,18:20)
    Hi j42,
    The Father did not come in the flesh but the Word OF God did and became Jesus Christ at the Jordan.
    So by the prophetic ways of scripture Jesus Christ, the Son of God, has come in the flesh


    I believe as you do, but do not know what you are talking about when you say the Word of God became Jesus Christ at the Jordon  Can you please explain to me?


    Hi j42,
    Jesus of Nazareth was not the Word.

    He was an ordinary man and since the strength of God shows up best in weak vessels he was unlikely to have been strong[Is53]

    But guided and disciplined by his Father[heb12]he loved scripture and obeyed the Law and was cleansed by it. Chosen and called by God to the Jordan he submitted to the requirement to be washed by the prophet who identified his situation and his future role.

    The plan of God was to send the Holy Spirit [the Word who was of God and with Him and self emptied to be a servant spirit] and the Word was made flesh when Jesus was anointed and became Jesus Christ[the anointed one, the messiah].

    Firstborn of the Spirit as the Son of God, Jesus was transformed as Jesus Christ. The Word is of the Spirit, and God is in the Word and the Word is in God. Thus when the Word[Spirit of Christ ] came so also did the Father's Spirit too.

    Then the Father fully used the submitted vessel Jesus Christ to be as God on earth teaching and healing and preaching the way of salvation. The servant Spirit in Jesus called God His Father and prayed to Him and for us. Their unity is eternal in that Spirit.


    Hi Nick

    Thanks for your explanation.

    I'm trying to understand how you understand this.
    You say Jesus of Nazareth was not the Word?

    John 1:1   In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    John 1:14   And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we behold his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

    I believe the verses above indicate that the Word became Jesus, as soon as he was conceived, he was made flesh…and dwelt among us as soon as he was born, and of course he did not start his ministry in the womb, but much later, however, the Word was transformed into Christ at conception.
    He was an ordinary man yes, born just like us, but you are forgetting that he was born according to the will of God, and not according to the will of man.  His seed is of his Father, planted into Mary.

    I don't really know how to comment on Christ being cleansed?  As no sin was found in him…unlike us.  But if you can give me scripture then maybe I can understand this better.

    When Christ was baptised, he was not washed clean, because he was already clean…
    This was an example for our sakes….
    first be baptised with water,
    to openly declare that we accept & wish to follow him,  
    then with the holy spirit later…
    a far more superior type of baptising for those who wish to feed on the truth with a pure heart,
    hunger for God,
    and a thirst for spiritual knowledge
    The water baptism had to be done to fulfil the scriptures yes you are right,
    but it was a stepping stone
    because
    the holy spirit was not given out until afterhis death,
    so water baptism was the only way for them then, but for us now, theres the better way.  
    I don't believe that water baptism is necessary in this day of age,
    because water baptism doesn't save,
    but baptism of the holy spirit does,
    because it comes straight from Christ
    who has the power to give it,
    and water baptism is from men,
    and not a holy approved chosen disciple who was prophesied,  endorsed & certified in writing.

    but if some want to be baptised in water, I am not against it.  It's like when you give up smoking…
    you put a patch on,
    everyone sees it,
    you know it's there
    you rub it with your hand when you are craving,
    to remind you that you made a choice
    to change.


    Hi J42,
    Could the Law be fulfilled and men become righteous by obedience to it?
    Yes.

    God was not playing frustration games and Jesus was His example to the Jews that they could have found salvation by so doing.

    Does feeding on and loving the Word cleanse?
    Yes
    jn15.3 ,Eph 5.26
    Even as a teen Jesus displayed scriptural wisdom.
    When he came to John the prophet recognised he did not need baptism for forgiveness but was already clean.

    You say
    “I believe the verses above indicate that the Word became Jesus, as soon as he was conceived, he was made flesh…and dwelt among us as soon as he was born, and of course he did not start his ministry in the womb, but much later, however, the Word was transformed into Christ at conception.”

    This is the traditional view.
    It is the wider path but I ask you to ponder more deeply.
    It denies the value of the Jordan anointing at which God spoke and denies the transforming power of God's Spirit.

    You say
    “He was an ordinary man yes, born just like us, but you are forgetting that he was born according to the will of God, and not according to the will of man.  His seed is of his Father, planted into Mary.”

    Mary was his true mother by conception. God does not share parenthood from above so it was not when he became the type of Son we can follow. That happened by baptism in the Spirit at the Jordan.

    You say
    “This was an example for our sakes….
    first be baptised with water,
    to openly declare that we accept & wish to follow him,  “

    Knowing the plan of God you then say

    “I don't believe that water baptism is necessary in this day of age,
    because water baptism doesn't save,
    but baptism of the holy spirit does,
    because it comes straight from Christ
    who has the power to give it,
    and water baptism is from men, “

    Was the baptism of John from men or from God?

    Can we toss aside the commands of God?[jn3]

    If Peter said in Acts 2.38 it is for the forgiveness of sins are we denying rom 3 that says all have sinned and declaring we are sinless? WHO decides?

    Peter also explained it's purpose in 1Peter 3. Again it has become popular to deny the need for water baptism but THAT is from men, not the baptism. Jesus said we could not see the kingdom till we obeyed.[Jn3]

    I hope this helps and please raise any questions that arise.

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