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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,07:26) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,11:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,03:59) Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,05:32) The one and the same spirit is called: The Spirit of God,
The Holy Spirit,
The Eternal Spirit,
The Spirit of Christ,
The Spirit of the Son.As Paul explained, there is only ONE SPIRIT – it us ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT.
If you do not include the “spirit of the antichrist” in with this “one spirit”, then what makes you think you can include the “spirit of Christ” with the “Holy Spirit”?
Hi Mike,I don't think 2Besee will understand your question. This is an easier way to put it…
“Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,
and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in
subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Heb 12:9)Which of these spirits is “the spirit of Christ”?
1. The Father of Spirits
2. Spirits that the Father of spirits is father of.I say the “HolySpirit” is #1, and
“the spirit of Christ” is #2;
what say you Mike?
Well done, Ed.I agree that the spirit of Christ is one of the many spirits the Father of Spirits is the Father of.
I disagree that the Holy Spirit IS the Father of Spirits. Instead, it is the spirit OF the Father of Spirits.
Hi Mike,Amen.
Ec.12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Peace brother……
Quote (abe @ Aug. 05 2013,11:57) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,07:26) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 03 2013,11:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,03:59) Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,05:32) The one and the same spirit is called: The Spirit of God,
The Holy Spirit,
The Eternal Spirit,
The Spirit of Christ,
The Spirit of the Son.As Paul explained, there is only ONE SPIRIT – it us ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT.
If you do not include the “spirit of the antichrist” in with this “one spirit”, then what makes you think you can include the “spirit of Christ” with the “Holy Spirit”?
Hi Mike,I don't think 2Besee will understand your question. This is an easier way to put it…
“Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,
and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in
subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Heb 12:9)Which of these spirits is “the spirit of Christ”?
1. The Father of Spirits
2. Spirits that the Father of spirits is father of.I say the “HolySpirit” is #1, and
“the spirit of Christ” is #2;
what say you Mike?
Well done, Ed.I agree that the spirit of Christ is one of the many spirits the Father of Spirits is the Father of.
I disagree that the Holy Spirit IS the Father of Spirits. Instead, it is the spirit OF the Father of Spirits.
Hi Mike,Amen.
Ec.12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Peace brother……
abewhat about the wicked men does his corrupted spirit goes to God as well
if you say yes ,where in scriptures it says that God collects wickedness
if you say no ,then were do they go
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 03 2013,12:07) So if David refers to it as “YOUR spirit”, then he is listing the Spirit of God as something OTHER THAN God Himself.
Nice spin Mike!You are there!
Read the whole quote.
Ps 139:7 Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
Ps 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.When you understand that God is Spirit and where the Spirit is there he is then it will make sense to you.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:3
Here we see his Spirit will not “strive” with man which is another way of saying Jehovah will not strive with man.
Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul. Job 7:11
Here we see Jobs Spirit felt anguish. Again meaning Job felt anguish.
As for me, is my complaint to man? and if it were so, why should not my spirit be troubled? Job 21:4
He we see that Jobs Spirit was troubled, another way of saying Job was troubled.,
I remembered God, and was troubled: I complained, and my spirit was overwhelmed. Psalm 77:3
Here we see the Psalmist Spirit was overwhelmed meaning he was overwhelmed himself.
And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Luke 1:46, 47
Here we see Mary's spirit “Rejoiced” in God meaning she rejoiced in God.
So you see Mike, our Spirit is who we are and you cannot separate the Soul from the Spirit of man, only Gods word can. Heb 4:12
When you see that according to scriptures man is a tri-part being made up of Spirit, Soul and Body then it will make more sense to you.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2013,21:34) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 03 2013,12:07) So if David refers to it as “YOUR spirit”, then he is listing the Spirit of God as something OTHER THAN God Himself.
Nice spin Mike!You are there!
Read the whole quote.
Ps 139:7 Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
Ps 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.When you understand that God is Spirit and where the Spirit is there he is then it will make sense to you.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:3
Here we see his Spirit will not “strive” with man which is another way of saying Jehovah will not strive with man.
Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul. Job 7:11
Here we see Jobs Spirit felt anguish. Again meaning Job felt anguish.
As for me, is my complaint to man? and if it were so, why should not my spirit be troubled? Job 21:4
He we see that Jobs Spirit was troubled, another way of saying Job was troubled.,
I remembered God, and was troubled: I complained, and my spirit was overwhelmed. Psalm 77:3
Here we see the Psalmist Spirit was overwhelmed meaning he was overwhelmed himself.
And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Luke 1:46, 47
So you see Mike, our Spirit is who we are and you cannot separate the Soul from the Spirit of man, only Gods word can. Heb 4:12
When you see that according to scriptures man is a tri-part being made up of Spirit, Soul and Body then it will make more since to you.
WJ
WJQuote Ps 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.DID DAVID GO TO HEAVEN
HOW AND WITH WHAT DID DAVID GO TO THE DEEP
HOW AND WITH WHAT PLEASE IN THIS I AM CURRIOUS
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 05 2013,15:25) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2013,07:10) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,16:52) Edj (7)Does God as a spirit
(7A)If yes what kind is it 7) Does God have a spirit? – Yes, we are created in his image.
7A) HolyGod bless
Ed J
EdjCould you explain the number 7
Hi Pierre,We have a spirit, soul, and mind; and since we were created in God's image so does he.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 05 2013,15:27) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2013,07:10) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,16:52) Edj (4) Is the truth a spirit
(7)Does God as a spirit
(7A)If yes what kind is it 4) Yes, it's the spirit of GOD
7) Does God have a spirit? – Yes, we are created in his image.
7A) HolyGod bless
Ed J
EdjCould you show me the difference between number 4 and 7
Hi Pierre,“The Truth” comes from God and is Holy; God's words are spirit and are truth.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2013,11:20)
WJQuote Ps 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.DID DAVID GO TO HEAVEN
HOW AND WITH WHAT DID DAVID GO TO THE DEEP
HOW AND WITH WHAT PLEASE IN THIS I AM CURRIOUS
TNo but David said where Gods Spirit was there he is!
WJ
Keith,
From what you are saying, the spirit of a person is actually a part of the person. I agree with that. It also seems that you are saying that the Spirit of God is a part of God which I agree with also. Do you still believe the Spirit of God is a third person in the Godhead though as opposed to a united part of the two persons in the Godhead-the Father and the Son? The spirit of a man is not a separate person from that man but instead a part of that man. So, why would the Spirit of God be a distinct person from the person of the Father or the person of the Son?Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2013,12:34) Keith,
From what you are saying, the spirit of a person is actually a part of the person. I agree with that. It also seems that you are saying that the Spirit of God is a part of God which I agree with also. Do you still believe the Spirit of God is a third person in the Godhead though as opposed to a united part of the two persons in the Godhead-the Father and the Son? The spirit of a man is not a separate person from that man but instead a part of that man. So, why would the Spirit of God be a distinct person from the person of the Father or the person of the Son?
You are close Kathi.The scriptures declare the Holy Spirit as a living entity that recieves, hears, speaks, glorifies, teaches, comforts, grieves, can be blasphemed and is subject to Jesus and the Father. The definition of something with those attributes is a living person and not some force or power.
Therefore I believe that the three are inseparable as One Spirit and One God.
There is only “One Spriit” or essence of God according to the scriptures. God is Spirit, not a Spirit that has a Spirit. The essence of God is Spirit. So what we have is three persons in One Spirit just as there are many persons yet one flesh of man.
We are tri-part beings but we are one person whereas God is manifested in three. Math 18:19
Blessings Keith
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. John 16:13, 14
Keith,
Our spirit which is common to man, is directed by the man but is not considered a separate person. So, I don't see the validity of your explanation.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2013,22:56) Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2013,11:20)
WJQuote Ps 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.DID DAVID GO TO HEAVEN
HOW AND WITH WHAT DID DAVID GO TO THE DEEP
HOW AND WITH WHAT PLEASE IN THIS I AM CURRIOUS
TNo but David said where Gods Spirit was there he is!
WJ
WjIt is David that talks about himself NOT GOD
David only could look at the heaven like we see it today as a man,
So what he said was related to what he could see and understandKeith,
you said:Quote The scriptures declare the Holy Spirit as a living entity that recieves, hears, speaks, glorifies, teaches, comforts, grieves, can be blasphemed and is subject to Jesus and the Father. The definition of something with those attributes is a living person and not some force or power. Our spirit (the one common to man) is also a living entity that receives, hears, speaks, glorifies, teaches, comforts, grieves, can be abused and is subject to our will also, yet our spirit is not another person or some non-personal force or non-personal power.
David's regenerated spirit is with the LORD but his body remains in the grave-decayed. Is death not the separation of spirit from the body? In a casket at a funeral, there lies a body without the spirit…right?
Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2013,13:35) Keith,
Our spirit which is common to man, is directed by the man but is not considered a separate person. So, I don't see the validity of your explanation.
OkFair enough, but what part of my explanation is not scriptural?
Keith
Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2013,14:57) Keith,
you said:Quote The scriptures declare the Holy Spirit as a living entity that recieves, hears, speaks, glorifies, teaches, comforts, grieves, can be blasphemed and is subject to Jesus and the Father. The definition of something with those attributes is a living person and not some force or power. Our spirit (the one common to man) is also a living entity that receives, hears, speaks, glorifies, teaches, comforts, grieves, can be abused and is subject to our will also, yet our spirit is not another person or some non-personal force or non-personal power.
But we are not God Kathi, and I never said the Holy Spirit is some non-personal force or non-personal power. That is what the JWs believe.I simply believe God is Spirit and the Lord is that Spirit, yet we read that the Father and Jesus will send the Holy Spirit and we read that there is only “One Spirit”.
Coupled with Math 28:19 where Jesus puts the Holy Spirit there with him and the Father as having a name as well and many other scriptures that imply the Spirit is a person, IMO the only way to reconcile all the scriptures is the Trinitarian view.
Keith
Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2013,15:00) David's regenerated spirit is with the LORD but his body remains in the grave-decayed. Is death not the separation of spirit from the body? In a casket at a funeral, there lies a body without the spirit…right?
Yes, when my Body dies my Spirit/Soul goes to be with the Lord.My Spirit/Soul does not die!
Blessings
Keith
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2013,15:42) Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2013,14:57) Keith,
you said:Quote The scriptures declare the Holy Spirit as a living entity that recieves, hears, speaks, glorifies, teaches, comforts, grieves, can be blasphemed and is subject to Jesus and the Father. The definition of something with those attributes is a living person and not some force or power. Our spirit (the one common to man) is also a living entity that receives, hears, speaks, glorifies, teaches, comforts, grieves, can be abused and is subject to our will also, yet our spirit is not another person or some non-personal force or non-personal power.
But we are not God Kathi, and I never said the Holy Spirit is some non-personal force or non-personal power. That is what the JWs believe.I simply believe God is Spirit and the Lord is that Spirit, yet we read that the Father and Jesus will send the Holy Spirit and we read that there is only “One Spirit”.
Coupled with Math 28:19 where Jesus puts the Holy Spirit there with him and the Father as having a name as well and many other scriptures that imply the Spirit is a person, IMO the only way to reconcile all the scriptures is the Trinitarian view.
Keith
I believe that there is another way to reconcile those scriptures and that is by equating the Holy Spirit as the united omnipresence of the Father and the Son. A spirit that is within them as well as flows from them.As far as the Spirit being mentioned as part of the great commission with the Father and the Son…I believe the Spirit may be mentioned with the Father and Son because it is their united omnipresent Spirit which we are immersed in (baptized in). That is how we can have fellowship with the TWO and how the TWO dwell within us…by their united omnipresent Spirit, yet They remain in heaven.
Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 07 2013,03:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2013,15:42) Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2013,14:57) Keith,
you said:Quote The scriptures declare the Holy Spirit as a living entity that recieves, hears, speaks, glorifies, teaches, comforts, grieves, can be blasphemed and is subject to Jesus and the Father. The definition of something with those attributes is a living person and not some force or power. Our spirit (the one common to man) is also a living entity that receives, hears, speaks, glorifies, teaches, comforts, grieves, can be abused and is subject to our will also, yet our spirit is not another person or some non-personal force or non-personal power.
But we are not God Kathi, and I never said the Holy Spirit is some non-personal force or non-personal power. That is what the JWs believe.I simply believe God is Spirit and the Lord is that Spirit, yet we read that the Father and Jesus will send the Holy Spirit and we read that there is only “One Spirit”.
Coupled with Math 28:19 where Jesus puts the Holy Spirit there with him and the Father as having a name as well and many other scriptures that imply the Spirit is a person, IMO the only way to reconcile all the scriptures is the Trinitarian view.
Keith
I believe that there is another way to reconcile those scriptures and that is by equating the Holy Spirit as the united omnipresence of the Father and the Son. A spirit that is within them as well as flows from them.As far as the Spirit being mentioned as part of the great commission with the Father and the Son…I believe the Spirit may be mentioned with the Father and Son because it is their united omnipresent Spirit which we are immersed in (baptized in). That is how we can have fellowship with the TWO and how the TWO dwell within us…by their united omnipresent Spirit, yet They remain in heaven.
KathiI see a lot of “i believe ” in you quotes but hardly SCRIPTURES SAYS ” or ” JESUS SAYS AND PREACHED ” it s amazing what men can think of NOT TO BELIEVE THE TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES,
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