Stoning in afghanistan

[bodhitharta]

The ancient practice of death by stoning has been abandoned in all but a handful of countries. It is still a legal punishment in some countries, like Iran, which justify it under Shariah, or Islamic law, although human rights activists say the Quran never specifically prescribed stoning for adultery.

Where is it accepted than that stoning is a punishment for Adultery?

The Bible

Yet, today this practice is most likely 100% practiced by those who practice Islam even though this is not the punishment prescribed in the Quran

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2010,06:03)

Where is it accepted than that stoning is a punishment for Adultery?

The Law.

An eye for an eye.

We are in a new testament now.

But Islam looks like a copy of the Old Testament.

[Ed J]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 17 2010,23:14)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2010,06:03) Where is it accepted than that stoning is a punishment for Adultery? The Law. An eye for an eye. We are in a new testament now. But Islam looks like a copy of the Old Testament.

Hi T8,

Not a “full copy”, but a very 'twisted (satanic) version' of it!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[princess of the king]

BD, can we use this article as a comparison to your opening post

[bodhitharta]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 17 2010,23:14)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2010,06:03) Where is it accepted than that stoning is a punishment for Adultery? The Law. An eye for an eye. We are in a new testament now. But Islam looks like a copy of the Old Testament.

The Jews were still stoning after Jesus came:

And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Acts 7:58-60

Stoning is not mentioned as a penalty in the Quran

And when Jesus used mercy and wisdom to prevent the stoning of the woman he did not say anything to reject stoning

John 8:10-11 (King James Version)

10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

But still as I said Islam today in many parts of the world looks exactly like the Old Testament (not the Quran) so why is it those who believe in the Bible don't look at those actions as favorable?

Was the Old Testament “wrong” for condemning homosexuals, Adulterers and other “gross sins” with the death penalty?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2010,06:13)

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 17 2010,23:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2010,06:03) Where is it accepted than that stoning is a punishment for Adultery? The Law. An eye for an eye. We are in a new testament now. But Islam looks like a copy of the Old Testament. Hi T8, Not a “full copy”, but a very 'twisted (satanic) version' of it! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I don't mind you making such comments but here's the thing, you should follow through by showing how it is sick and twisted and then show there is no biblical equivalent

What I mean is if you think stoning is sick that would mean you disagree with the Bible but Islam does not have this as a punishment so looking at your own religion you detest what it looks like when acted out in actual reality.

Look at Islam today and it is like reading the Old testament

The Islam of The Quran is quite different and looks more like the New Testament of the Bible

Christianity today looks like the Pagan cultures they even have gay churches and openly gay priests

[kejonn]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/001-adultery_punishment.htm

[bodhitharta]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 21 2010,20:55)

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/001-adultery_punishment.htm

Did you not see in clear writing in the link you yourself provided:

The Qur'an:
Stoning is not prescribed. (See Additional Notes).

Additional notes would be rendered meaningless since it is The Quran which is to be followed in Islam.

Many Arab countries who say they are practicing sharia law are not practicing Quranic Law. Sharia does not translate into Quranic.

As I have said it is Sharia Law in Judaism so If it occurs in Islam anyone who is a Christian and accepts the teachings of the Torah as coming from God cannot speak against it as something “wrong”

[Stu]

So muslims who follow the hadiths are not real muslims?

From the Holy Wikipedia (that promotes neither stoning nor beheading):

Hadith are regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Qur'an and in matters of jurisprudence.

Stuart

[Stu]

BD rather than fatuously boasting about converting atheists to islam, shouldn't you be spending your time converting muslims to islam?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (princess of the king @ Aug. 21 2010,12:57)

BD, can we use this article as a comparison to your opening post

I wonder if the US president has little chats with the Saudi royal family about human rights like he supposedly does with the Chinese president.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 24 2010,20:10)

So muslims who follow the hadiths are not real muslims? From the Holy Wikipedia (that promotes neither stoning nor beheading): Hadith are regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Qur'an and in matters of jurisprudence. Stuart

It's not a matter if they are real Muslims it is a matter of knowing the law or not knowing it.

Gay Marriage is being allowed all over America and most would like to call America a Christian nation. The Americans who have followed the constitution find themselves not following the Bible

[kejonn]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 21 2010,12:09)

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 21 2010,20:55) http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/001-adultery_punishment.htm Did you not see in clear writing in the link you yourself provided: The Qur'an: Stoning is not prescribed.  (See Additional Notes). Additional notes would be rendered meaningless since it is The Quran which is to be followed in Islam. Many Arab countries who say they are practicing sharia law are not practicing Quranic Law. Sharia does not translate into Quranic. As I have said it is Sharia Law in Judaism so If it occurs in Islam anyone who is a Christian and accepts the teachings of the Torah as coming from God cannot speak against it as something “wrong”

Judaism has the Talmud.
Christianity has extra works that define “Trinity” and “rapture” among many other things.
Zoroastrianism didn't stop with the Gathas, but added more with the Avesta.

You might think you are being “pure” by exclaiming the Quran does not prescribe death by stoning, but Islam has grown beyond just the Quran, just as the above religions have gone beyond their original texts.

Deal with it.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 25 2010,11:57)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 21 2010,12:09) Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 21 2010,20:55) http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/001-adultery_punishment.htm Did you not see in clear writing in the link you yourself provided: The Qur'an: Stoning is not prescribed.  (See Additional Notes). Additional notes would be rendered meaningless since it is The Quran which is to be followed in Islam. Many Arab countries who say they are practicing sharia law are not practicing Quranic Law. Sharia does not translate into Quranic. As I have said it is Sharia Law in Judaism so If it occurs in Islam anyone who is a Christian and accepts the teachings of the Torah as coming from God cannot speak against it as something “wrong” Judaism has the Talmud. Christianity has extra works that define “Trinity” and “rapture” among many other things. Zoroastrianism didn't stop with the Gathas, but added more with the Avesta. You might think you are being “pure” by exclaiming the Quran does not prescribe death by stoning, but Islam has grown beyond just the Quran, just as the above religions have gone beyond their original texts. Deal with it.

Yes, you are correct but being a purist does not mean not growing, Nay, it means to grow in purity.

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 25 2010,02:17)

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 24 2010,20:10) So muslims who follow the hadiths are not real muslims? From the Holy Wikipedia (that promotes neither stoning nor beheading): Hadith are regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Qur'an and in matters of jurisprudence. Stuart It's not a matter if they are real Muslims it is a matter of knowing the law or not knowing it. Gay Marriage is being allowed all over America and most would like to call America a Christian nation. The Americans who have followed the constitution find themselves not following the Bible

You are just defining islam as following only the koran. It is a matter of opinion as to whether that is islam or not. Most of the world disagrees with you.

What point are you trying to make using the example of gay marriage? The US is NOT a christian nation, the constitution is not founded on the bible, and it is every American's right to lobby for laws that match whatever biblical principle he feels should be enacted in law. Of course he should expect to defend that view robustly against the opposing views of others. In the case of gay marriage all christians tend to have is “it is an abomination against my Imaginary Friend” which has recently been shown up in a courtroom to be the laughable nonsense that it is. There is no robust argument at all against gay marriage.

Stuart

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 25 2010,18:39)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 25 2010,02:17) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 24 2010,20:10) So muslims who follow the hadiths are not real muslims? From the Holy Wikipedia (that promotes neither stoning nor beheading): Hadith are regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Qur'an and in matters of jurisprudence. Stuart It's not a matter if they are real Muslims it is a matter of knowing the law or not knowing it. Gay Marriage is being allowed all over America and most would like to call America a Christian nation. The Americans who have followed the constitution find themselves not following the Bible You are just defining islam as following only the koran.  It is a matter of opinion as to whether that is islam or not.  Most of the world disagrees with you. What point are you trying to make using the example of gay marriage? The US is NOT a christian nation, the constitution is not founded on the bible, and it is every American's right to lobby for laws that match whatever biblical principle he feels should be enacted in law.  Of course he should expect to defend that view robustly against the opposing views of others.  In the case of gay marriage all christians tend to have is “it is an abomination against my Imaginary Friend” which has recently been shown up in a courtroom to be the laughable nonsense that it is.  There is no robust argument at all against gay marriage. Stuart

Stu,

Do you argue just for the sake of argument itself. I clearly stated that in reference to being a Christian and follow the constitution may conflict but nonetheless they would still be an American and a Christian.

A Gay person can also be a Gay American Christian but if the tenants of his religion disallow for him being gay then he is simply not practicing his religion to the best of his ability.

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 25 2010,21:43)

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 25 2010,18:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 25 2010,02:17) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 24 2010,20:10) So muslims who follow the hadiths are not real muslims? From the Holy Wikipedia (that promotes neither stoning nor beheading): Hadith are regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Qur'an and in matters of jurisprudence. Stuart It's not a matter if they are real Muslims it is a matter of knowing the law or not knowing it. Gay Marriage is being allowed all over America and most would like to call America a Christian nation. The Americans who have followed the constitution find themselves not following the Bible You are just defining islam as following only the koran.  It is a matter of opinion as to whether that is islam or not.  Most of the world disagrees with you. What point are you trying to make using the example of gay marriage? The US is NOT a christian nation, the constitution is not founded on the bible, and it is every American's right to lobby for laws that match whatever biblical principle he feels should be enacted in law.  Of course he should expect to defend that view robustly against the opposing views of others.  In the case of gay marriage all christians tend to have is “it is an abomination against my Imaginary Friend” which has recently been shown up in a courtroom to be the laughable nonsense that it is.  There is no robust argument at all against gay marriage. Stuart Stu, Do you argue just for the sake of argument itself. I clearly stated that in reference to being a Christian and follow the constitution may conflict but nonetheless they would still be an American and a Christian. A Gay person can also be a Gay American Christian but if the tenants of his religion disallow for him being gay then he is simply not practicing his religion to the best of his ability.

Your statement of clarification is not an English sentence. You use the word “clearly” ironically.

You can decide for yourself what the tenets of your religion are obviously, as you have done with islam. Why can a gay person not simply decide that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality in christianity? After all it was not Jesus whose invented script decries against homosexuality.

Stuart

[theodorej]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 21 2010,13:56)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2010,06:13) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 17 2010,23:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 17 2010,06:03) Where is it accepted than that stoning is a punishment for Adultery? The Law. An eye for an eye. We are in a new testament now. But Islam looks like a copy of the Old Testament. Hi T8, Not a “full copy”, but a very 'twisted (satanic) version' of it! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org I don't mind you making such comments but here's the thing, you should follow through by showing how it is sick and twisted and then show there is no biblical equivalent What I mean is if you think stoning is sick that would mean you disagree with the Bible but Islam does not have this as a punishment so looking at your own religion you detest what it looks like when acted out in actual reality. Look at Islam today and it is like reading the Old testament The Islam of The Quran is quite different and looks more like the New Testament of the Bible Christianity today looks like the Pagan cultures they even have gay churches and openly gay priests

Greetings B….. It is undeniable that your observation with respect to the devience in so called christianity is correct,however,I feel compeled to say that the same type of devience is replete in Islam….The point to this discussion is simply this….these are two man made institutions both claiming authority through the word of God….One who is truly seeking God starts with his commandments and the obedience or submission there to….Gods true church is very small in number and will carry his name…”And they will be known as The Church of God”….They will be recognized by their fruits not their retoric,rituals or size….They will not be trying to save anybody….They will be a group of believers called out by God…Let me know when you find them…

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 25 2010,22:07)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 25 2010,21:43) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 25 2010,18:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 25 2010,02:17) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 24 2010,20:10) So muslims who follow the hadiths are not real muslims? From the Holy Wikipedia (that promotes neither stoning nor beheading): Hadith are regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Qur'an and in matters of jurisprudence. Stuart It's not a matter if they are real Muslims it is a matter of knowing the law or not knowing it. Gay Marriage is being allowed all over America and most would like to call America a Christian nation. The Americans who have followed the constitution find themselves not following the Bible You are just defining islam as following only the koran.  It is a matter of opinion as to whether that is islam or not.  Most of the world disagrees with you. What point are you trying to make using the example of gay marriage? The US is NOT a christian nation, the constitution is not founded on the bible, and it is every American's right to lobby for laws that match whatever biblical principle he feels should be enacted in law.  Of course he should expect to defend that view robustly against the opposing views of others.  In the case of gay marriage all christians tend to have is “it is an abomination against my Imaginary Friend” which has recently been shown up in a courtroom to be the laughable nonsense that it is.  There is no robust argument at all against gay marriage. Stuart Stu, Do you argue just for the sake of argument itself. I clearly stated that in reference to being a Christian and follow the constitution may conflict but nonetheless they would still be an American and a Christian. A Gay person can also be a Gay American Christian but if the tenants of his religion disallow for him being gay then he is simply not practicing his religion to the best of his ability. Your statement of clarification is not an English sentence.  You use the word “clearly” ironically.   You can decide for yourself what the tenets of your religion are obviously, as you have done with islam.  Why can a gay person not simply decide that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality in christianity?  After all it was not Jesus whose invented script decries against homosexuality. Stuart

because in the tenants of Christianity and it's roots which lie in Judaism both consider homosexuality an abomination therefore to practice homosexuality(it seems to mention only males in this regard) would be to violate the principles of your own religion.

[Stu]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 26 2010,02:25)

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 25 2010,22:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 25 2010,21:43) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 25 2010,18:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 25 2010,02:17) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 24 2010,20:10) So muslims who follow the hadiths are not real muslims? From the Holy Wikipedia (that promotes neither stoning nor beheading): Hadith are regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Qur'an and in matters of jurisprudence. Stuart It's not a matter if they are real Muslims it is a matter of knowing the law or not knowing it. Gay Marriage is being allowed all over America and most would like to call America a Christian nation. The Americans who have followed the constitution find themselves not following the Bible You are just defining islam as following only the koran.  It is a matter of opinion as to whether that is islam or not.  Most of the world disagrees with you. What point are you trying to make using the example of gay marriage? The US is NOT a christian nation, the constitution is not founded on the bible, and it is every American's right to lobby for laws that match whatever biblical principle he feels should be enacted in law.  Of course he should expect to defend that view robustly against the opposing views of others.  In the case of gay marriage all christians tend to have is “it is an abomination against my Imaginary Friend” which has recently been shown up in a courtroom to be the laughable nonsense that it is.  There is no robust argument at all against gay marriage. Stuart Stu, Do you argue just for the sake of argument itself. I clearly stated that in reference to being a Christian and follow the constitution may conflict but nonetheless they would still be an American and a Christian. A Gay person can also be a Gay American Christian but if the tenants of his religion disallow for him being gay then he is simply not practicing his religion to the best of his ability. Your statement of clarification is not an English sentence.  You use the word “clearly” ironically.   You can decide for yourself what the tenets of your religion are obviously, as you have done with islam.  Why can a gay person not simply decide that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality in christianity?  After all it was not Jesus whose invented script decries against homosexuality. Stuart because in the tenants of Christianity and it's roots which lie in Judaism both consider homosexuality an abomination therefore to practice homosexuality(it seems to mention only males in this regard) would be to violate the principles of your own religion.

But all you have to do is redefine your own version of non-homophobic christianity, in the same way you have defined your own version of islam.

Romans 1:26 has Saul of Tarsus disgusted at the prospect of female homosexuality.

Stuart

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