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The word “spirit” refers to many things, Gene. In some cases, it refers to the animation by which we human beings live – as in the spirit on loan from God which is in each of us, and returns to God when we die.
Sometimes, it refers to spirit beings, such as angels.
Sometimes, it refers to Satan, who is also an angel of God who rebelled against his God.
Sometimes it refers to the demon minions of Satan, who are also angels who have gone against God by following their commander, Satan.
Sometimes, it refers to God's Holy Spirit, which is not an individual being, but God's active force, by which He accomplishes many things.
These are some of the things “spirit” refers to in scripture.
Quote (terraricca @ May 25 2013,00:37) Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,13:13) Quote (terraricca @ May 24 2013,15:06) Jamin Quote you deny these three verses. 1) you do not believe what thomas said to jesus. he is LORD AND GOD
2) you do not believe that john said the WORD was GOD
3)you do not believe PAUL SAID HE WAS IN THE FORM OF GOD.
# 1) why is it that of all the apostle only Thomas would have recognized what you claim is so true
2) why would the word be God if he his with God
3) the fact that Christ was ,his the first born over all creation MAKE HIM THE ONLY SPIRIT BEING CREATED OR BORN OR BRING FORTH BY GOD ALMIGHTY HIS FATHER AND GOD,AND SO HIS OF THE NATURE /FORM OF GOD AND YES CHRIST is a god but
NOT GOD THE FATHER
you said why would the WORD be GOD.the bible said that
John 1:1
New Living Translation (NLT)
Prologue: Christ, the Eternal Word1 In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.do you see that?
the WORD WAS GOD
jAMINsorry but you did not answer my questions,
and here is one more ;
why is the son of God an IMAGE AND NOT THE REAL THING
paul said that and i cant change that.
what is wrong if Christ is the image of the invisible GOD? there is nothing wrong with that.that does not mean that Christ is not GOD by nature.
just like his father, he is GOD.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 25 2013,02:19) Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,09:41) gene, Thomas did not say to JESUS in john 20.28 GOD WAS IN YOU.
make your own bible LIL
Jammin……….He did not Say “MY LORD GOD” either, He said My lord “AND” my God. God was “IN” Jesus but that never made the Man Jesus a God of any kind. Tell us this Jammin.
If Jesus was GOD why would he say Father was “IN” Him that would make no sense now would it, he would have said He was GOD the Father Himself, where is that written in scriptures. Saying you are a son of God is far from saying you are a GOD.You problem Jammin is, you don't understand what a Spirit IS. As a result you make metaphysical assumptions. Here is one for you to chew on.
Acts 2:22…> You men of Israel, hear these word; Jesus of Nazareth, “A MAN” approved of GOD among you by Miracles and wonders and signs, which (now notice jammin) GOD DID “BY” HIM, in the midst of you as you yourselves know; (23) Him (the man Jesus) being delivered by the determinate council and for knowledge of GOD, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain; (24) whom (now notice again Jammin) GOD has raised up……> Now who Raised the MAN JESUS UP, was it the MAN JESUS or GOD the FATHER who RAISED UP, the MAN JESUS.
I see no where there where it says a God Jesus, raised up a God Jesus, do you?, GOD cannot die boy. And if God were to die who would bring him back to life Boy?
Trust me Jammin, you have bought into nothing but Lies of false Trinitarian teachers, and unless you turn away form it you will suffer the same fate they will. Rejection from the SON OF MAN Jesus Christ, when HE returns. If you have made Jesus your God, you are an IDOLATER rather you realize it or not Boy.
Jesus had a GOd and it was not himself boy.
peace and lvoe to you and yours……………………………gene
make your own bible. LOLthomas said MY LORD AND MY GOD and not GOD WAS IN YOU
make your own version of john 20.28
LOLQuote (kerwin @ May 25 2013,05:15) Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,04:40) thomas did not say in john 20.28 to JESUS THAT GOD WAS IN YOU. make your own bible boy LOL
Jammin,Thomas did not say “You are my Lord and my God”.
if im going to follow your argument then CHRIST IS NOT LORD.
well that is not the doctrine of the bibleChrist is LORD>
make your own bible
Quote (jammin @ May 27 2013,04:49) Quote (kerwin @ May 25 2013,05:15) Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,04:40) thomas did not say in john 20.28 to JESUS THAT GOD WAS IN YOU. make your own bible boy LOL
Jammin,Thomas did not say “You are my Lord and my God”.
if im going to follow your argument then CHRIST IS NOT LORD.
well that is not the doctrine of the bibleChrist is LORD>
make your own bible
Jammin,The Lord said to my Lord “I will make your enemies a footstool”.
Quote (jammin @ May 27 2013,04:47) Quote (terraricca @ May 25 2013,00:37) Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,13:13) Quote (terraricca @ May 24 2013,15:06) Jamin Quote you deny these three verses. 1) you do not believe what thomas said to jesus. he is LORD AND GOD
2) you do not believe that john said the WORD was GOD
3)you do not believe PAUL SAID HE WAS IN THE FORM OF GOD.
# 1) why is it that of all the apostle only Thomas would have recognized what you claim is so true
2) why would the word be God if he his with God
3) the fact that Christ was ,his the first born over all creation MAKE HIM THE ONLY SPIRIT BEING CREATED OR BORN OR BRING FORTH BY GOD ALMIGHTY HIS FATHER AND GOD,AND SO HIS OF THE NATURE /FORM OF GOD AND YES CHRIST is a god but
NOT GOD THE FATHER
you said why would the WORD be GOD.the bible said that
John 1:1
New Living Translation (NLT)
Prologue: Christ, the Eternal Word1 In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.do you see that?
the WORD WAS GOD
jAMINsorry but you did not answer my questions,
and here is one more ;
why is the son of God an IMAGE AND NOT THE REAL THING
paul said that and i cant change that.
what is wrong if Christ is the image of the invisible GOD? there is nothing wrong with that.that does not mean that Christ is not GOD by nature.
just like his father, he is GOD.
JamninI did not ask you to change the scriptures but to explain it ;
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 25 2013,21:26) Mike ………Well then tell us what a SPIRIT “IS” if you Know, or perhapse you could get you Co-hart Pierre to give you some tips and between the both of you you could come up with something > 
Genelook I open a new TOPIC called “THE SPIRIT ” have a look
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2013,11:51) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,23:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2013,10:43)
Christ never said the words, “I am not God”. But neither did Michael, Gabriel, Samuel, David, Satan, or anyone else in the entire scriptures.Are all those people “God” just because they never explicitly said, “I am not God”? Of course not.
michael, gabriel etc.those characters are not GOD. we know that bec the bible said that.
michael is an angel
gabriel is an angel
But you believe Jesus is the “angel of the LORD” who went before the Israelites in a pillar of cloud and fire, right?So if you believe Michael and Gabriel are not God BECAUSE they are angels……. and you believe Jesus is also an angel, there must be some wires getting crossed somewhere.
jammin, I agree with the premise of your argument, ie: if they are angels OF God, then they can't actually BE God.
I just don't understand why you change the rules when it comes to that angel of God named Jesus.
can you read in the bible that michael and gabriel are GOD?
you cant read that boy.but we can read in the bible that CHRIST IS GOD.
angel means messenger so there is nothing wrong with that.that does not mean that he is not GOD BY NATURE.
he is like his father. he is GOD>
they are both GOD>
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2013,11:57) Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,01:11) paul did not say Christ was created.
he said he is the firstborn of all creation. that is figuratively.
it does not mean that Christ was created by his father.=it means supremacy over all creation.
If firstborn means “supremacy over all creation”, then is the Father also “the firstborn of every creature”? YES or NO?
why would you ask question that is not written in the bible?
that is non sense boy. LOLcan you ask that the melon is an animal?
of course not, that is a fruit,.
study hard boyQuote (jammin @ May 27 2013,05:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2013,11:51) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,23:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2013,10:43)
Christ never said the words, “I am not God”. But neither did Michael, Gabriel, Samuel, David, Satan, or anyone else in the entire scriptures.Are all those people “God” just because they never explicitly said, “I am not God”? Of course not.
michael, gabriel etc.those characters are not GOD. we know that bec the bible said that.
michael is an angel
gabriel is an angel
But you believe Jesus is the “angel of the LORD” who went before the Israelites in a pillar of cloud and fire, right?So if you believe Michael and Gabriel are not God BECAUSE they are angels……. and you believe Jesus is also an angel, there must be some wires getting crossed somewhere.
jammin, I agree with the premise of your argument, ie: if they are angels OF God, then they can't actually BE God.
I just don't understand why you change the rules when it comes to that angel of God named Jesus.
can you read in the bible that michael and gabriel are GOD?
you cant read that boy.but we can read in the bible that CHRIST IS GOD.
angel means messenger so there is nothing wrong with that.that does not mean that he is not GOD BY NATURE.
he is like his father. he is GOD>
they are both GOD>
Jammin,Paul is called a god by the people of Melita, Acts 28:6.
Quote (jammin @ May 27 2013,05:46) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2013,11:57) Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,01:11) paul did not say Christ was created.
he said he is the firstborn of all creation. that is figuratively.
it does not mean that Christ was created by his father.=it means supremacy over all creation.
If firstborn means “supremacy over all creation”, then is the Father also “the firstborn of every creature”? YES or NO?
why would you ask question that is not written in the bible?
that is non sense boy. LOLcan you ask that the melon is an animal?
of course not, that is a fruit,.
study hard boy
Jammin,Healer, heal yourself.
I agree with you on this but your answer to Mike reveals that you lack knowledge and seek to hide it instead of seeking to correct your lack of understanding.
Jacob's firstborn had supremacy over all that was Jacob's. Is Jacob also firstborn.
Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2013,15:36) Quote (jammin @ May 27 2013,05:46) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2013,11:57) Quote (jammin @ May 24 2013,01:11) paul did not say Christ was created.
he said he is the firstborn of all creation. that is figuratively.
it does not mean that Christ was created by his father.=it means supremacy over all creation.
If firstborn means “supremacy over all creation”, then is the Father also “the firstborn of every creature”? YES or NO?
why would you ask question that is not written in the bible?
that is non sense boy. LOLcan you ask that the melon is an animal?
of course not, that is a fruit,.
study hard boy
Jammin,Healer, heal yourself.
I agree with you on this but your answer to Mike reveals that you lack knowledge and seek to hide it instead of seeking to correct your lack of understanding.
Jacob's firstborn had supremacy over all that was Jacob's. Is Jacob also firstborn.
what you need to do is study the verse and the context before asking me.if you want, you can give me the verse and ill tell you the meaning of it
Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2013,15:29) Quote (jammin @ May 27 2013,05:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2013,11:51) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,23:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2013,10:43)
Christ never said the words, “I am not God”. But neither did Michael, Gabriel, Samuel, David, Satan, or anyone else in the entire scriptures.Are all those people “God” just because they never explicitly said, “I am not God”? Of course not.
michael, gabriel etc.those characters are not GOD. we know that bec the bible said that.
michael is an angel
gabriel is an angel
But you believe Jesus is the “angel of the LORD” who went before the Israelites in a pillar of cloud and fire, right?So if you believe Michael and Gabriel are not God BECAUSE they are angels……. and you believe Jesus is also an angel, there must be some wires getting crossed somewhere.
jammin, I agree with the premise of your argument, ie: if they are angels OF God, then they can't actually BE God.
I just don't understand why you change the rules when it comes to that angel of God named Jesus.
can you read in the bible that michael and gabriel are GOD?
you cant read that boy.but we can read in the bible that CHRIST IS GOD.
angel means messenger so there is nothing wrong with that.that does not mean that he is not GOD BY NATURE.
he is like his father. he is GOD>
they are both GOD>
Jammin,Paul is called a god by the people of Melita, Acts 28:6.
god and not God.Christ is God and not god.
Quote (jammin @ May 27 2013,10:55) Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2013,15:29) Quote (jammin @ May 27 2013,05:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2013,11:51) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,23:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2013,10:43)
Christ never said the words, “I am not God”. But neither did Michael, Gabriel, Samuel, David, Satan, or anyone else in the entire scriptures.Are all those people “God” just because they never explicitly said, “I am not God”? Of course not.
michael, gabriel etc.those characters are not GOD. we know that bec the bible said that.
michael is an angel
gabriel is an angel
But you believe Jesus is the “angel of the LORD” who went before the Israelites in a pillar of cloud and fire, right?So if you believe Michael and Gabriel are not God BECAUSE they are angels……. and you believe Jesus is also an angel, there must be some wires getting crossed somewhere.
jammin, I agree with the premise of your argument, ie: if they are angels OF God, then they can't actually BE God.
I just don't understand why you change the rules when it comes to that angel of God named Jesus.
can you read in the bible that michael and gabriel are GOD?
you cant read that boy.but we can read in the bible that CHRIST IS GOD.
angel means messenger so there is nothing wrong with that.that does not mean that he is not GOD BY NATURE.
he is like his father. he is GOD>
they are both GOD>
Jammin,Paul is called a god by the people of Melita, Acts 28:6.
god and not God.Christ is God and not god.
Jammin,Translators do the capitalizing. Koine Greek is caseless. god and God is the same thing with translator bias and context determine which to use in English.
Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2013,16:11) Quote (jammin @ May 27 2013,10:55) Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2013,15:29) Quote (jammin @ May 27 2013,05:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2013,11:51) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,23:11) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2013,10:43)
Christ never said the words, “I am not God”. But neither did Michael, Gabriel, Samuel, David, Satan, or anyone else in the entire scriptures.Are all those people “God” just because they never explicitly said, “I am not God”? Of course not.
michael, gabriel etc.those characters are not GOD. we know that bec the bible said that.
michael is an angel
gabriel is an angel
But you believe Jesus is the “angel of the LORD” who went before the Israelites in a pillar of cloud and fire, right?So if you believe Michael and Gabriel are not God BECAUSE they are angels……. and you believe Jesus is also an angel, there must be some wires getting crossed somewhere.
jammin, I agree with the premise of your argument, ie: if they are angels OF God, then they can't actually BE God.
I just don't understand why you change the rules when it comes to that angel of God named Jesus.
can you read in the bible that michael and gabriel are GOD?
you cant read that boy.but we can read in the bible that CHRIST IS GOD.
angel means messenger so there is nothing wrong with that.that does not mean that he is not GOD BY NATURE.
he is like his father. he is GOD>
they are both GOD>
Jammin,Paul is called a god by the people of Melita, Acts 28:6.
god and not God.Christ is God and not god.
Jammin,Translators do the capitalizing. Koine Greek is caseless. god and God is the same thing with translator bias and context determine which to use in English.
are you saying that you are better than those translators??why dont you make your own bible. make your bible all small letters LOL
Quote (jammin @ May 26 2013,16:47) Quote (terraricca @ May 25 2013,00:37)
why is the son of God an IMAGE AND NOT THE REAL THING
paul said that and i cant change that.
You seem capable of finding translations that change many other teachings in the Bible, right? Are you SURE you can't find one of your spurious translations that change those words of Paul too?Quote (jammin @ May 26 2013,17:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2013,11:51) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,23:11)
michael is an angel
gabriel is an angel
But you believe Jesus is the “angel of the LORD” who went before the Israelites in a pillar of cloud and fire, right?So if you believe Michael and Gabriel are not God BECAUSE they are angels……. and you believe Jesus is also an angel, there must be some wires getting crossed somewhere.
jammin, I agree with the premise of your argument, ie: if they are angels OF God, then they can't actually BE God.
I just don't understand why you change the rules when it comes to that angel of God named Jesus.
can you read in the bible that michael and gabriel are GOD?
I can read in the Bible that many angels of God are gods. I have no reason to assume that Michael, as an archangel, isn't one of them.But that is beside the point. The point is that YOU said Michael and Gabriel are angels OF God, and therefore can't BE God. And with this, I agree.
What I want to know is how you can justify throwing this common sense reasoning out the window when it comes to that particular angel of God named Jesus.
See, if Michael is a servant OF God, then it's only common sense that he can't BE God, right? And if Michael is a spirit son OF God, then he can't BE God, right? And if Michael is an angel OF God, then he can't BE God, right?
But Jesus is also all these things OF God, right? So why is it common sense for me AND the Trinitarians that Michael cannot BE the very God he is the servant, son, and angel OF; but when it comes to Jesus, the Trinitarians abandon that same common sense?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2013,11:01) Quote (jammin @ May 26 2013,17:45) Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 25 2013,11:51) Quote (jammin @ May 21 2013,23:11)
michael is an angel
gabriel is an angel
But you believe Jesus is the “angel of the LORD” who went before the Israelites in a pillar of cloud and fire, right?So if you believe Michael and Gabriel are not God BECAUSE they are angels……. and you believe Jesus is also an angel, there must be some wires getting crossed somewhere.
jammin, I agree with the premise of your argument, ie: if they are angels OF God, then they can't actually BE God.
I just don't understand why you change the rules when it comes to that angel of God named Jesus.
can you read in the bible that michael and gabriel are GOD?
I can read in the Bible that many angels of God are gods. I have no reason to assume that Michael, as an archangel, isn't one of them.But that is beside the point. The point is that YOU said Michael and Gabriel are angels OF God, and therefore can't BE God. And with this, I agree.
What I want to know is how you can justify throwing this common sense reasoning out the window when it comes to that particular angel of God named Jesus.
See, if Michael is a servant OF God, then it's only common sense that he can't BE God, right? And if Michael is a spirit son OF God, then he can't BE God, right? And if Michael is an angel OF God, then he can't BE God, right?
But Jesus is also all these things OF God, right? So why is it common sense for me AND the Trinitarians that Michael cannot BE the very God he is the servant, son, and angel OF; but when it comes to Jesus, the Trinitarians abandon that same common sense?
they are gods but not God.do you know the difference between the two?
i know you know that but you are ignoring it.Christ is not god but God.
he is the ONLY son of God.
he came from heaven. he is not created. he is like his father.
they are both God by nature.why cant you accept the simple example that i gave to you.
you and your father are both HUMAN.
obama and you are both HUMAN.
yes obama is a president and you are a false teacher but both of you have the same nature and that is HUMAN.mike,
michael and gabriel cant be worshipped.
dont compare these angels to Christ. you should worship Christ.
only GOD can be worshipped.
this proves that Christ is GOD just like his fatherjammin,
So your whole theory rests on a capital “G” that English translators put in the scriptures?
This is what you've said, in effect:
Angels OF God can't actually BE God, unless they are called “God” with a “G” that was capped by the Trinitarian translator. As long as that “G” is capped, then that particular angel OF God CAN be the God he is the angel OF.
Is that really your “support”, jammin?
I think it's time you and I parted ways. Your posts are 99% mind-numbing absurdity. I'm getting the feeling that I'm throwing pearls to swine here.
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