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Hi,
Speculation is not of faith but of carnal presumption. It shows disrespect to the scriptures by elevating the thoughts of men over what is written and it also shows lack of respect for the God Who wrote them through His Spirit in men. Such things show ignorance of the ways of God.Romans 1:21
For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.2 Corinthians 10:5
We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,1 Timothy 1:4
nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.2 Timothy 2:23
But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.Good post Nick, it applies to “the one eternal gospel for all”, foolish and ignorant manmade speculation, false teaching!
Blessings.
CO,
Have you not heard of the gospel of the kingdom of God?
All scripture is for you.
“listen to him”Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 28 2008,18:58) CO,
Have you not heard of the gospel of the kingdom of God?
All scripture is for you.
“listen to him”
Greetings Nick……I would think the same Gospel tells us to question and prove all things and sometimes that process transends literal interpretations of the written word…whose design is to confound the wise and learned…Hi TJ,
Then we should let the principle of 2Cor 13.1 help us establish truth.
Going for help to the intellect of men adds folly.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 28 2008,18:58) CO,
Have you not heard of the gospel of the kingdom of God?
All scripture is for you.
“listen to him”
Yes, I have heard of it, it is the gospel Jesus taught to the Jews.
Have you not heard the “gospel of grace?” It is the one Paul was chosen by God to preach to the nations.“Correctly cut the word of truth”.
Nick……..Jesus taught salvation by obedience of the Law to the Jews, Paul taught we are saved by GRACE and that GRACE was NOT of the Law. When the rich young ruler came and ask him what must he do to inter the Kingdom of God< Jesus said keep the commandments and even listed some of them. But Paul said by obedience of the Law no Flesh will be Justified before GOD. What do you do with those words then. I believe Jesus was speaking to those who were Israelites still under the Law, because the New Testament church had not started yet, it did not start until the day of Pentecost.
When God's Spirit was Poured out. Paul was sent as a messenger of the new covenant While Jesus was sent to the circumcision or Israel. I know there are overlapping principles that apply to Both Jesus and Paul. They certainly were not against each other but i don't think CO intentions were they were against each other either.
love and peace brother…………..gene
WOW,
It was said that Shaul words would be twisted by those unlearned, who will propogate mystisism.In reality Shaul (Paul) taught the same exact truths as Y'shua.
The truth is that obeying words on a scroll and thinking that this obedience is what saves is false. The Torah is a teaching instrument, as was Messiah. It is our heart for the Torah to be vessels of the living El, and the belief that our Salvation can only come from Elohim.
After we prove our belief by our willingness to be obedient, we learn what our faults are through this Teacher TORAH, then we see our own faults, which brings repentance.
This is a process that bring refinment and makes us perfect as even Y'shua was perfect. It is a lifetime of learning, repentance, and doing Torah, that brings Yahweh's Spirit into the light. We are the lamps.
A lamp is not put under a chair, but it is put in the window for all to see.
Laurel……..you have given a perfect picture of (SELF) Salvation You mention your own repentance and obedience a self focused salvation but not a WORD about THE GRACE OF GOD. GRACE (God's influencing on the heart) “for the gentiles who have (NOT THE LAW) but do the things contained in them show the LAW written ON their Heart (BY THE HAND OF GOD) not themselves you can not go to the “TORAH” a change one ounce of you life, it must all come By GRACE (God's influencing on the Heart). Putting yourself under the Law and trying to keep all those things like CARNAL (PHYSICAL) Sabbaths and clean and unclean animals, tithing and etc, and is only a act of thinking that the Law can save you and causes self righteousness. I know I was in a church (wwcg) at one time and that kind of teaching only made People think they were better then others. Scripture says the LAW is for the UNGODLY and SINNER. It can never in a million years change your Hear it only puffs up and builds Pride in you lives.
Said in Love and peace…………………..gene
Here you go twisting again. You need to re-read, because that is not what I said, but exactly the opposite.
Laruel……If you think keeping the Sabbath , or clean and unclean food laws or Holy days will save you you are mistaking, ” for whosoever is under LAW is under a (CURSE)”. Is that twisting up scripture also.
peace………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 30 2008,12:31) Nick……..Jesus taught salvation by obedience of the Law to the Jews, Paul taught we are saved by GRACE and that GRACE was NOT of the Law. When the rich young ruler came and ask him what must he do to inter the Kingdom of God< Jesus said keep the commandments and even listed some of them. But Paul said by obedience of the Law no Flesh will be Justified before GOD. What do you do with those words then. I believe Jesus was speaking to those who were Israelites still under the Law, because the New Testament church had not started yet, it did not start until the day of Pentecost. When God's Spirit was Poured out. Paul was sent as a messenger of the new covenant While Jesus was sent to the circumcision or Israel. I know there are overlapping principles that apply to Both Jesus and Paul. They certainly were not against each other but i don't think CO intentions were they were against each other either.
love and peace brother…………..gene
GB,
Read again about the rich young man and you will see it is two parts, one about the OT LAW and the second about the perfect righteousness found in Jesus.Mt 19
16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Quote: Read again about the rich young man and you will see it is two parts, one about the OT LAW and the second about the perfect righteousness found in Jesus.
The perfect righteous of Jesus was because He “fulfilled” the law, meaning He kept it perfectly, nothing about two parts.
Co,
Jesus fulfilled the law.
It was only in force till the time of John.
Now the kingdom is being preached and men everywhere are forcing their way in[lk16]The “kingdom”, is not being preached everywhere. What is being preached now is the gospel of “The grace of God”. The nation of Israel were preached the “kingdom”, but Israel rejected their prophesied “Messiah”. Acts.13:45-46 …45 Yet the Jews, perceiving the throngs, are filled with jealousy, and they contradicted the things spoken by Paul, blaspheming.
46 Being bold, both Paul and Barnabas, say, “To you first was it necessary that the word of God be spoken. Yet, since, in fact, you are thrusting it away, and are judging yourselves not worthy of eonian life, lo! we are turning to the nations.Blessings.
CO,
Indeed Philip spoke of this kingdom
Acts 8:12
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.So did Paul
I will copy a few of his teachings
Romans 14:17
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Romans 14:16-18 (in Context) Romans 14 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.1 Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.1 Corinthians 15:24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1 Corinthians 15:23-25 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 15 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.Galatians 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:Colossians 4:11
And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.1 Thessalonians 2:12
That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:2 Timothy 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;James, Peter and John also
James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.Revelation 1:9
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.Same gospel of the same kingdom of God
I have no problem with any of these scriptures you quote (except James, Peter, & John were for Israel). It's just that it is God, working in you, not your own 'works'. Here are a few scriptures that should benefit you: Eph.2:8-12
8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,
9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting.
10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.
11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations in flesh — who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands —
12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.Notice “His achievment are we.” Of course you will deny this scripture exists!
And also, notice that in that era (Jesus teaching), “we (gentiles) were without God in the world”.
Believe scripture!!! Get rid of that “one eternal gospel for all”, false teaching stuff, and you may find some truth.
Blessings.
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