Simeon ben joachi/zohar: the shema

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
So the Spirit of God which God pours out is another god person?[Jl2]

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
The trinity is never spoken of in our bible.
Are you sure it is not a pagan idea?

[KangarooJack]

Nick,
I posted this information merely to show that the name “elohim” is regarded as plural and the Hebrew “echad” (one) indicates a complex unity in Deuteronomy 6:4. On the Echad thread bodhitharta himself appears to affirm that echad refers to a “composite unity.”

thinker

[bodhitharta]

Quote (thethinker @ July 07 2009,03:51)

Nick, I posted this information merely to show that the name “elohim” is regarded as plural and the Hebrew “echad” (one) indicates a complex unity in Deuteronomy 6:4. On the Echad thread bodhitharta himself appears to affirm that echad refers to a “composite unity.” thinker

Unified One simply as in ALL-Powerful

If God is All-Powerful than All the Powers are from Him not that there is need of any other powers to assist Him as you believe

All-knowing His knowledge is All encompassing he has no need of others to teach or instruct Him. He doesn't need partners to assist Him in knowing as you believe.

All-present He doesn't need to be “sent” anywhere as His Majesty fills the Universe.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2009,04:57)

Quote (thethinker @ July 07 2009,03:51) Nick, I posted this information merely to show that the name “elohim” is regarded as plural and the Hebrew “echad” (one) indicates a complex unity in Deuteronomy 6:4. On the Echad thread bodhitharta himself appears to affirm that echad refers to a “composite unity.” thinker Unified One simply as in ALL-Powerful If God is All-Powerful than All the Powers are from Him not that there is need of any other powers to assist Him as you believe All-knowing His knowledge is All encompassing he has no need of others to teach or instruct Him. He doesn't need partners to assist Him in knowing as you believe. All-present He doesn't need to be “sent” anywhere as His Majesty fills the Universe.

When did I ever say the things above you attribute to me? I think you are arguing against your preconceived notions of trinitarianism.

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
If God is a composite one who is the Son of God?

[GeneBalthrop]

BD………you have it more right the word GOD (Elohim) simply means a ONE Unit, there are SEVEN SPIRITS with power that compose (ONE) GOD or Elohim, which is controlled by ONE LORD> Hear O Israel the LORD our GOD (POWER) is ONE (LORD), not two or three triune anythings. He is called the LORD (He Exists) with (Elohim or Powers) Simply said the LORD GOD and is the (ONLY) TRUE GOD or POWER as Jesus said . IMO

peace and love…………………..gene

[GeneBalthrop]

Thinker …………Why do you Trinitarians have to run all around and try to define some obscure translation or a mystery function to support you teachings , when Jesus simply in a few words said it plainly, have you ever thought about that brother?

peace and love……………………gene

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Gene @ July 07 2009,15:53)

BD………you have it more right the word GOD (Elohim) simply means a ONE Unit, there are SEVEN SPIRITS with power that compose (ONE) GOD or Elohim, which is controlled by ONE LORD> Hear O Israel the LORD our GOD (POWER) is ONE (LORD), not two or three triune anythings. He is called the LORD (He Exists) with  (Elohim or Powers)  Simply said the LORD GOD and is the (ONLY) TRUE GOD  or POWER as Jesus said .  IMO peace and love…………………..gene

yes ALL Powers or Almighty. The key is the plurality is in the form of unified Power i.e. ALL-POWERFUL Jesus is never nor can ever be called The LORD GOD because his Power was given to him from the ONE who exists withe ALL POWER.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Gene @ July 07 2009,15:53)

BD………you have it more right the word GOD (Elohim) simply means a ONE Unit, there are SEVEN SPIRITS with power that compose (ONE) GOD or Elohim, which is controlled by ONE LORD> Hear O Israel the LORD our GOD (POWER) is ONE (LORD), not two or three triune anythings. He is called the LORD (He Exists) with  (Elohim or Powers)  Simply said the LORD GOD and is the (ONLY) TRUE GOD  or POWER as Jesus said .  IMO peace and love…………………..gene

Gene,
You are contradicting yourself up and down and all over the place. You say that Elohim means “one unit” which is what WJ and I have been saying. Then you add that this unit consists of “seven spirits.” You have a 7 in 1 unit but you find fault with us for having a 3 in 1 unit. What's wrong with this picture?

And if we are apostates because we believe in a 3 in 1 God, then what does your 7 in 1 God make you?

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Gene @ July 07 2009,15:57)

Thinker …………Why do you Trinitarians have to run all around and try to define some obscure translation or a mystery function to support you teachings , when Jesus simply in a few words said it plainly, have you ever thought about that brother? peace and love……………………gene

Gene,
I did not say that I agree with the source. If you will read it again you will see that I posted it without any commentary of my own. I posted it only to show that the word “elohim” is viewed as plural which it is. I do NOT agree with the mystery function it speaks about. But you have no place to talk because your “seven powers” view is also a “mystery function.” You need to examine your own mystic views of Elohim.

thinker

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