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Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 10 2011,08:43) “It is this combative atmosphere which sometimes encourages scientists writing and speaking about the origin of life to become as dogmatic and bigoted as the creationist opponents they so despise.” (Dr. Andrew Scott, Chemist and science writer) Thought it was an interesting quote.
Indeed. So why can't the creationists stop their mindless interference which adds nothing and just brings out the worst in others.If their god demands this of them, I don't see why anyone would respect it, let alone worship it.
Of course the Good News of Jesus is that actually it was all made up and there are no gods of any kind really.
Can someone please let the idiot creationsts know?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 10 2011,16:07) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 10 2011,08:43) “It is this combative atmosphere which sometimes encourages scientists writing and speaking about the origin of life to become as dogmatic and bigoted as the creationist opponents they so despise.” (Dr. Andrew Scott, Chemist and science writer) Thought it was an interesting quote.
Indeed. So why can't the creationists stop their mindless interference which adds nothing and just brings out the worst in others.If their god demands this of them, I don't see why anyone would respect it, let alone worship it.
Of course the Good News of Jesus is that actually it was all made up and there are no gods of any kind really.
Can someone please let the idiot creationsts know?
Stuart
And surely, We have created many of the jinn and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, and they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle, nay even more astray; those! They are the heedless ones.
( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #179)Stu answers questions where he can spend a few lines mocking what is written.
And ignores all the logical arguments that shatter his belief in no creator.But as I have said before, he is the one who chooses what manner of man he is.
If he wants to steer his ship toward the rocks, then we can only warn him of his impending doom.You can lead a monkey to a banana but you can't make him eat.
Stu,
So your saying that as an “idiot creationists” who adds “mindless interference” and just “brings out the worst in others” I'm not allowed to have an opinion? How long before I won't be allowed to live in your world?Quote (t8 @ Dec. 01 2011,06:19) Stu answers questions where he can spend a few lines mocking what is written.
And ignores all the logical arguments that shatter his belief in no creator.But as I have said before, he is the one who chooses what manner of man he is.
If he wants to steer his ship toward the rocks, then we can only warn him of his impending doom.You can lead a monkey to a banana but you can't make him eat.
So you don't write a few lines of mockery yourself t8?All the logical arguments in the world, and the false analogies and assertions and special pleading and logical fallacy of “it is written” have, collectively, not resulted in a single reason to believe in a god, whatever it is.
Pascal probably got closest, and his wager is ethically bankrupt, and logically flawed.
These rocks of which you write, t8, they are made of the same material as the emperor's new finery.
If you want to send bananas, I can give you an address.
Stuart
Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 01 2011,15:31) Stu,
So your saying that as an “idiot creationists” who adds “mindless interference” and just “brings out the worst in others” I'm not allowed to have an opinion? How long before I won't be allowed to live in your world?
I didn't write “mindless interference” or “brings out the worst in others”. I do think creationists are idiots though. It is the only name-calling in which I indulge. That might not reflect well on my character, but then your book of mythology calls me some really unpleasant things, so it is only fair. “Idiots” is mild by comparison.Do you have a place to live in my world? Of course. You also have a place to live in your world too. And as much as creationist rhetoric is demonstrably lies, I would still fight for your right to say it. But I equally have the right to show how it is wrong, and to comment on the attitude that motivates creationists to repeat their long-dead canards.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 01 2011,20:43) So you don't write a few lines of mockery yourself t8?
Yes, but I am not a one-trick pony Stu.
I offer clear thinking to why there is a God and you offer nothing but mockery and silence which are fitting qualities for joining the circus.I want to talk with people who are willing to investigate things and unfortunately, you are perhaps the only Atheist here. So the pickings are lean.
Do you know any smarter Atheists Stu, better still an honest one? One who can discuss things without getting on the bias train and ranting off.
You have about as much credibility as the Soda Pop Board of America.
Stu,
Above you stated “I didn't write “mindless interference” or “brings out the worst in others””. I must be missing something, at the top of this page is the post I was quoting.Quote (Stu @ Mar. 10 2011,13:07) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 10 2011,08:43) “It is this combative atmosphere which sometimes encourages scientists writing and speaking about the origin of life to become as dogmatic and bigoted as the creationist opponents they so despise.” (Dr. Andrew Scott, Chemist and science writer) Thought it was an interesting quote.
Indeed. So why can't the creationists stop their mindless interference which adds nothing and just brings out the worst in others.If their god demands this of them, I don't see why anyone would respect it, let alone worship it.
Of course the Good News of Jesus is that actually it was all made up and there are no gods of any kind really.
Can someone please let the idiot creationsts know?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 01 2011,03:48) I do think creationists are idiots though.
Stu,Why do you think such a vast majority of us are inexplicably drawn to believe in a Creator?
Why would an unintelligent life source evolve us into beings that strongly feel and believe in one bigger, smarter and stronger than us who created us?
Do apes believe in a creator? Or do you suppose it's just mankind?
Long before anyone INVENTED the idea that life “just happened”, mankind from all over the world unanimously believed in a creator. From as far back as there are records, man worshipped and tried to appease gods. As far back into history as we can tell, all mankind had stories of the creation of the earth and the things in it. Why Stu?
Why would your god, evolution, wire us with thoughts of being created?
And at what point in the transformation between apes and men did we start to feel that someone created us? At what point did we start to feel that there was something much bigger than us out there somewhere?
These are all rhetorical questions. I'm just thinking out loud.
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 01 2011,21:08) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 01 2011,20:43) So you don't write a few lines of mockery yourself t8?
Yes, but I am not a one-trick pony Stu.
I offer clear thinking to why there is a God and you offer nothing but mockery and silence which are fitting qualities for joining the circus.I want to talk with people who are willing to investigate things and unfortunately, you are perhaps the only Atheist here. So the pickings are lean.
Do you know any smarter Atheists Stu, better still an honest one? One who can discuss things without getting on the bias train and ranting off.
You have about as much credibility as the Soda Pop Board of America.
OK, I'll have to concede that you are not a one-trick pony. To your first trick of false analogy you have added a second, that of commentating in the manner that would be most likely to make a wooden child grow its nose at the fastest rate.Well done! A two-trick pony!
Stuart
Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 01 2011,21:55) Stu,
Above you stated “I didn't write “mindless interference” or “brings out the worst in others””. I must be missing something, at the top of this page is the post I was quoting.Quote (Stu @ Mar. 10 2011,13:07) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 10 2011,08:43) “It is this combative atmosphere which sometimes encourages scientists writing and speaking about the origin of life to become as dogmatic and bigoted as the creationist opponents they so despise.” (Dr. Andrew Scott, Chemist and science writer) Thought it was an interesting quote.
Indeed. So why can't the creationists stop their mindless interference which adds nothing and just brings out the worst in others.If their god demands this of them, I don't see why anyone would respect it, let alone worship it.
Of course the Good News of Jesus is that actually it was all made up and there are no gods of any kind really.
Can someone please let the idiot creationsts know?
Stuart
To be fair, it was in relation to a creationist with a high profile than you whose words might be quoted in the way you quoted them, which is going to have a higher profile than creationist claims you make, and is therefore more likely to bring out a combative attitude in a real scientist, but nevertheless I retract and apologise for denying that I made those claims.Stuart
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 02 2011,10:36) Why do you think such a vast majority of us are inexplicably drawn to believe in a Creator?
It is not inexplicable, there is an adaptive advantage in god belief that has to do with tribal loyalty, although in a global community that advantage is gone, to be replaced with the liability of people with conflicting religions pointing weapons at one another. As with many adaptations there are side-effects of the advantages of the group gullibly taking on belief in Imaginary Friends. It may help group cohesion but it has evolved into a meme that is particularly good as a brain parasite, because it plays on our fears and our inexperience with things like probability and pattern-seeking, another trait that has other advantages but leads us to believe religious fantasy conspiracy stories.Quote Why would an unintelligent life source evolve us into beings that strongly feel and believe in one bigger, smarter and stronger than us who created us?
You are just removing the word god from your fantasy conspiracy theory and pretending it then matches the explanation given by science. It doesn’t.Quote …Long before anyone INVENTED the idea that life “just happened”, mankind from all over the world unanimously believed in a creator. From as far back as there are records, man worshipped and tried to appease gods. As far back into history as we can tell, all mankind had stories of the creation of the earth and the things in it. Why Stu?… Why would your god, evolution, wire us with thoughts of being created?
Natural history is nothing like the god fantasy at all. I think creationist concepts are so popular because monotheists, muslims and christians in particular, just cannot allow themselves to consider other points of view without putting their own bias on it, and more to the point must not allow a different view to creep in, lest it show up the religious fantasy for what it is. So I don’t hold out much hope you will work out what Darwin’s theory really says about natural selection as the blind watchmaker that only ever reacts and never plans. I don’t think you can afford the risk.Quote Do apes believe in a creator? Or do you suppose it's just mankind?
We are apes, and some of us believe in a creator, so yes. I don’t know if dolphins think that way, the selection pressures on them are very different, and I don’t know if they would have the kind of oral tradition that would lend itself to inventing fantasy stories as a byproduct of genes that tell them to believe in a unifying god concept for the good of the tribe. What do you reckon?Quote And at what point in the transformation between apes and men did we start to feel that someone created us? At what point did we start to feel that there was something much bigger than us out there somewhere?
At the point (or rather during the tens of thousands of years) when there came to be an advantage in thinking in that mode, probably very closely related to the increase in size of the brain.Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 11 2011,12:34) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 10 2011,16:07) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 10 2011,08:43) “It is this combative atmosphere which sometimes encourages scientists writing and speaking about the origin of life to become as dogmatic and bigoted as the creationist opponents they so despise.” (Dr. Andrew Scott, Chemist and science writer) Thought it was an interesting quote.
Indeed. So why can't the creationists stop their mindless interference which adds nothing and just brings out the worst in others.If their god demands this of them, I don't see why anyone would respect it, let alone worship it.
Of course the Good News of Jesus is that actually it was all made up and there are no gods of any kind really.
Can someone please let the idiot creationsts know?
Stuart
And surely, We have created many of the jinn and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, and they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle, nay even more astray; those! They are the heedless ones.
( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #179)
That is a very nasty, Calvanist sura you have there!Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 02 2011,18:14) Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 01 2011,21:55) Stu,
Above you stated “I didn't write “mindless interference” or “brings out the worst in others””. I must be missing something, at the top of this page is the post I was quoting.Quote (Stu @ Mar. 10 2011,13:07) Quote (seekingtruth @ Mar. 10 2011,08:43) “It is this combative atmosphere which sometimes encourages scientists writing and speaking about the origin of life to become as dogmatic and bigoted as the creationist opponents they so despise.” (Dr. Andrew Scott, Chemist and science writer) Thought it was an interesting quote.
Indeed. So why can't the creationists stop their mindless interference which adds nothing and just brings out the worst in others.If their god demands this of them, I don't see why anyone would respect it, let alone worship it.
Of course the Good News of Jesus is that actually it was all made up and there are no gods of any kind really.
Can someone please let the idiot creationsts know?
Stuart
To be fair, it was in relation to a creationist with a high profile than you whose words might be quoted in the way you quoted them, which is going to have a higher profile than creationist claims you make, and is therefore more likely to bring out a combative attitude in a real scientist, but nevertheless I retract and apologise for denying that I made those claims.Stuart
Stu,
Thank you for the apology.One other point Andrew Scott is an evolutionist, not a creationist.
Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 02 2011,23:21) One other point Andrew Scott is an evolutionist, not a creationist. Wm
Yes, you will see that I agreed with him, but was adding that it is the fault of creationists, because they are the source of the ideas that do not fit the evidence, and so bring rancour that is motivated by their bizarre commitment to telling lies for their god, not a search for that which is true, no matter what it turns out to be.Stuart
Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 04 2011,03:03) Stu,
Ever heard the old saying “pot calling the kettle black”?Wm
Sure. Are you suggesting that creationist claims have merit?Try this thought experiment:
Situation 1: Creationism has disappeared from the planet.
Situation 2: Science has disappeared from the planet, but creationism remains.
Now, if you had to have one, which would it be? More to the point, can you see that Situation 1 is possible, while Situation 2 isn't, because creationism is a parasite on science and if science died creationism would too.
To change the analogy slightly, cancers do not have independent existence. If they destroy their host then they also die at the same time. That is the situation with creationism. It is a cancer that threatens science, but would die without it.
The “cancer treatment” is education.
Stuart
Stu,
Remember the quote that started our discussion, You exemplify that quote.Merit… while you see religion as mutually exclusive from “science” I see true science as being perfectly compatible with Christianity. The trouble is world views are driven more from desire, than from evidence. The current scientific dogma is biased against creationism and possible interpretations are mostly chosen that avoid any support of such. Your fanatical adherence to your “religion” has lead you to be blind to even the possibility of these alternate interpretations, never having given them a honest evaluation.
The religion of “science”, is a cancer that threatens true science, but would die without it.
The “cancer treatment” is honest education.
My opinion – Wm
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