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Quote (Irene @ July 15 2008,01:18) You know Nick, you and t8 throw a bunch of scriptures out there like you're feeding piranhas, just to see how bad they get tore up.
Why don't you explain yourselves so that the rest of us can follow you.
It seems to me , it is more important to you to put your name on as many slots as possible, then to make sense. It would be so much more enjoyable, and profitable, if you could be more serious. the rest of us try to be.
Any one that goes to class, goes there to learn, you don't argue the things you don't understand or agree with, you reason. I came to this side because I thought I could learn, and share, not to argue, that's vanity and don't profit no one.Georg
Hi Georg.There is nothing wrong with quoting scripture. Jesus did it often. If you then inquire further, then an explanation can be given, but always providing an explanation all the time is not only extremely time consuming, but it doesn't benefit the readers when they are spoon fed all the time.
Jesus spoke in parables and scripture even to his own disciples, when they couldn't figure out what he was going on about, they sometimes came to him and asked for an explanation. I don't remember an occasion in scripture where the disciples said to Jesus “you throw a bunch of scriptures out there like you're feeding piranhas, just to see how bad they get tore up.”
I am speaking from experience. I use to always give explanations to everything and it took heaps of time, more than I have now, and most people didn't read it because they argued the same points and didn't notice the explanation. So now I like to narrow it down somewhat before giving an explanation. Give them a scripture or two, and if they inquire further, then chances are, you have a hearer and less chance of having your hard wrought post trampled into the mud.
Anyway, if we look at the scripture I gave earlier it tells us about Joseph's dream, where the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to him.” The reply given by his father was “Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you”? And we know the outcome don't we. Who was it that bowed down to him? Was it not his family as his Father said?
Now if you go back to Revelation 12:1, you see that the woman gave birth to a son was then opposed by a dragon who tried to kill this son. This son was destined to rule the nations and we know who that is don't we? In addition, Herod tried to kill all the baby boys around that time to eliminate Jesus from being born, and obviously the dragon is Satan who was using Herod as a pawn.
So if the woman is Israel, then it makes sense because Jesus was born from Israel. Israel was his mother in that sense. Israel also fits the explanation in Genesis 37:9-11. The only difference being that earlier scripture mentions 11 stars and the latter 12 stars. But if you take Joseph out if the equation, you then have 11 and the sun and moon are probably symbolic of Josephs father and mother.
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Matthew 11:15
He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.Thats where a lot of confusion comes into play. People trying to explain the scripture all the time…the way they feel that it reads.
INDEED
Certain scriptures well have more than one meaning…for different applications or times of their prophecy.
The Bible was Written with everything thought of. It is complete.
A Complete word of GOD.
Although, Pointing out what your trying to use the scripture to “Back up” could prove to be helpful…so that others might see if it does indeed “Back it up”.
I've had a tough time…I've missed a lot of church…I've done and said things that I should not have.
I'm trying not to give up…I know that GOD never gives up on us.
And, there are a lot of different beliefes out there that seem to be at each others throat. Its dissgusting. Actually.
Not to say that I'm any better. Which I'm quite sure that I'm not. However, I do not excite myself in this onslaught of the word of GOD at the Throats of good people.
It is completely not the way GOD would have it done I do believe.
Scripture is used for teaching and preaching…not slaying and killing.
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Matthew 11:15
He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.Thats where a lot of confusion comes into play. People trying to explain the scripture all the time…the way they feel that it reads.
INDEED
Certain scriptures well have more than one meaning…for different applications or times of their prophecy.
The Bible was Written with everything thought of. It is complete.
A Complete word of GOD.
Although, Pointing out what your trying to use the scripture to “Back up” could prove to be helpful…so that others might see if it does indeed “Back it up”.
I've had a tough time…I've missed a lot of church…I've done and said things that I should not have.
I'm trying not to give up…I know that GOD never gives up on us.
And, there are a lot of different beliefes out there that seem to be at each others throat. Its dissgusting. Actually.
Not to say that I'm any better. Which I'm quite sure that I'm not. However, I do not excite myself in this onslaught of the word of GOD at the Throats of good people.
It is completely not the way GOD would have it done I do believe.
Scripture is used for teaching and preaching…not slaying and killing.
Samuel I do agree with you. I also hate to argue about Scripture rather then to explain what I mean. I thought that it is expected of us. Not to give half of an answer. That does not help anybody. I too came here to share and to learn, more. Have I? Tell you the truth I have not. So it does go back that only God's Holy Spirit can feed us. That I have learned to do.
Peace and Love IreneT8….You said if we take Joseph out of the equation we have 11, but if we put Joseph back in the equation we will have 13, Isn't it interesting that there were thirteen original colonies of the United State, Just interesting , remember Josephs two son were each counted as a tribe of Israel. Just interesting.
To All……Jesus tells us in Luke that the powers of the heavens shall be shaken (the powers of the heavens are the gravitational pulls the planets have on each other and it is going to effect our oceans), the seas a roaring and mens Hearts failing them on account of those things coming on the earth, It appears to be a heavenly event of some kind, and the whole world will think its the end of the earths existence, It may be a asteroid or meteor or even another planet passing through our solar system or even the switching of the magnetic poles they say will happen in 2014, either way if show the earth will be realign to cause the seas to do what it says and evidently people around the world will know about it coming on.
But we are told to look up for our redemption draw near, when we see these things happen.
peace to all………..gene
Hi t8
You forget that people come to this side to learn from others, at least I did. So if you quote scripture without explaining what they mean to you, how is that helping others? And if you do explain what they mean to you, how is that spoon feeding others?
Jesus did speak in parables often, but what did he say to the apostles? to you it is given to know these things, to them it is not; lest they understand and believe and I must heal them.
The question is, do we understand what this is saying? It tells us that only the called out once will understand, while the rest of the world will understand in the millennium.
Joseph's dream came true when his 11 brothers cane to Egypt and bought down before him. As far as Rev. 12:1 is concerned, I gave my explanation earlier.Georg
Hello Gene
Heaven is symbolic for a place of authority. God's throne is in heaven, thee place of all authority. The heaven's that will be shaken, are places of religious authority, churches, here on earth. All false religion, remember this is Satan's kingdom, will be destroyed when Christ begins to rule.
Georg
Quote (Irene @ Aug. 05 2008,23:20) Hello Gene Heaven is symbolic for a place of authority. God's throne is in heaven, thee place of all authority. The heaven's that will be shaken, are places of religious authority, churches, here on earth. All false religion, remember this is Satan's kingdom, will be destroyed when Christ begins to rule.
Georg
Greetings Georg…..Please allow me to add,The Vatican has recognized the viability of UFOs….And in doing so it will attempt to explain the wonders satan will perform using these unidentified flying objects….I believe UFOs will be a significant tool used to woo worshipers to the beast….theodorej
UFOs would only make a difference if they could be proven true. So far all we have are speculations, no evidence. I for one don't believe in them.
Georg
Hi Georg,
Heaven is symbolic of authority??
The powers are IN Heaven.Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:Mark 13:25
And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.Luke 21:26
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.Is. 66:1 “Thus says the LORD: heaven is my throne,…”
Mat. 5:34 “But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's throne.”Men's hearts will be failing when this last tribulation will occur, it is not to far off.
God's powers will shake this earth and all heavens on earth, churches of all religions will crumble.
The stars of these earthly heavens are all the ministers that have been teaching the doctrines of men. Again, the sun, moon and stars are symbolic in there use; they are objects of lite. Jesus said he was the light of the world, meaning, he had the truth that would give us direction, lead us to eternal life. Our civil leaders are also our light, they give us direction, they give us order, they give us laws.
When God will pour out his wrath on this earth, in those days, there will be no light coming from those leaders.Georg
Hi Georg,
Scripture says the powers themselves will be shaken.
Stars do symbolise angels[rev1] but ministers of false churches-are they even relevant?The world has ever been in darkness except where the light of Christ shines
Nick
Rev. 6:12-14, when did an earthquake ever cause the sun to turn black? or the moon to become as blood? or the stars to fall from heaven? or cause the heaven to roll up like a scroll and depart?
Georg
Hi Georg,
It didn't.
Rev6
12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
They were sequential.
I ask you to read what I had said, not give me the scriptures, remember, I ask you a question.
So, why don't you put your explanation with it.
Georg
Hi Georg,
There is no indication in the scripture you gave that any earthquake ever CAUSED changes in the heavens.
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