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Jamie, hello.
No, I am not Nick. We have the same avatar or picture. I realize that might be confusing. I just like that picture much more than any other picture and he (once an administrator) has left Heaven.net. I am not Nick.Quote I hope your happy David now that Eliyah has gone as he said he would do.
Jamie, if you check the records, you will find that I never ever asked him to leave. But I do recall him opening the invitation to leaving if any asked him to. And it seems the administrator (t8, or heaven) asked him to leave. My point in saying that he would leave if asked was: He was removed, but seemed to be arguing with it, despite saying he would leave if asked BY ANYONE. I never asked him to leave. And I definitely didn't vote for him to leave. I didn't even know this “feedback” thread or vote existed until I first posted on March 19th, yesterday.Quote I hope your happy David now that Eliyah has gone as he said he would do. You people on this forum made a mockery out of him like he had done some crime against you. First the Administrator asked him to leave then made a voting block and put him on it for everyone to make a spectacle out of him by either to vote asking him to leave or stay then everyone voted for him to come back and even the Administrator asked him to come back after he voted against him to leave.
Jamie, again, I am sorry for this if Eliyah is a friend of yours, or if you think it unfair. I had nothing to do with the vote, not even knowing there was a vote until yesterday.
While I commend Eliyah's great zeal, and great it is, his methods are not always the best. I have often went off subject too, probably me more so than anyone, other than Eliyah. But he would often try to turn whatever topic he could to the “baal gad” thing. There was a thread for that. In my mind (and I don't know because these conversations don't happen in person) he often seemed to talk down (perhaps just seemed that way because he is smart) to people and sometimes distasteful language was found in his threads, and again, perhaps because of his great zeal.Jamie, I'm not sure why you directed this to me. I haven't actually really posted anything to Eliyah after he became ill. I didn't know this vote existed until yesterday and I didn't vote.
Quote Some person called Nick accused him over and over again for no reason was that you David ? I see you have the same picture as this Nick. I hope you all are happy now that you have made a mockery out of him and now that he is gone and will probably never be back again. I know if I was done the way he was done that I would never be back either.I noticed one thing about him in his writings that when he said wrong to any of you he asked in public of this forum for you to forgive him. But I never saw you or anyone else asking him to forgive the wrong things you and others said to him David. Not me. I think you are referring to Nick, who does have the same avatar.
I'm sorry Jamie. I didn't notice that post of his. Which thread is it in? There are a lot of threads on this forum. And several sections that contain threads (such as this one which I didn't even know existed until yesterday.) Well, I probably knew it existed, but never checked it.
No one likes to see anyone suffer, in desparate straights. I do not wish that on anyone. I am sorry he suffers. But he has something a lot do not have and something that I admire–strong conviction and a desire to share the Bible truths with others. If he is one of God's, he will not be left entirely.
How do you know Eliyah?
Quote Jamie, hello.
No, I am not Nick. We have the same avatar or picture.
I have just switched avatars again. This should make things less confusing for new ones.
david.I do not know Eliyah except through his writings I have followed his teachings from forum to forum reading them.It would figure that you voted against him to leave and I find just as much distasteful words of yours in previous posts to him and others.Eliyah taught more of the original truth of the Bible to others than you will ever know David or did you never look at all the forums where he has been? None of you on this forum have that kind of courage to face every challenge from any and all beliefs that he has cut their foolish doctrines to shreds and even yours also. So don't look a gift horse in the mouth because in my mind he has disproven you and your organization many times on this forum. Even now you accuse him wrongfully I find his writings hard at times but I can understand why because if one faces constant as he has on different forums harsh accusations and name calling him as he has faced from every opponent in different forums then I can uderstand why he would seem coarse to you and others. You asked what thread that was in? It is in this same back threads about his health and others problems. Also David he is of Yahweh Elohim not your idol 'god' which you break the 3rd commandment with and Exodus 23:13 and Joshua 23:7 and a lot of other commandments that you refuse to even obey and even acknowledge.I will repeat eliyah's words to you what is the difference between using the idol pagan title of 'god' than observing the pagan 'easter and christmass' and how can you hold onto one and not the other?
Jamie
Now don't generalize, Jamie. I cannot speak for others, but I was open to Eliyah's teachings. However, I was beggining to believe them blindly without any consideration at all. Sometimes enthusiasm can be mistaken as a pointer for the truth. Just because Eliyah was enthusiastic about what he believes in doesn't mean it's true. It took me awhile to realize that.
At one point, Eliyah almost turned me away from the Father (Heb 10:26). The fear and doubt were about to get to me before I read the Word some more to gain the “big picture” of it all. has become stronger than ever. After I got the fear and doubt cleared out of my mind, my relationship with the Father has been stronger. Then, I began to look back at Eliyah's posts and seriously question his teaching. I found several things wrong in the “baal gad” topic.
Also, upon looking back on his posts, I also began to realize how little love he had in them. When Nick first asked Eliyah a question, he was asked/preemptively accused of censoring controversial teachings. Eliyah would also go back and try to “dig up dirt” in order to defend himself.
No, Eliyah did not apologize. He apologized for “whatever he did.” One doesn't apologize for “whatever.” His apology was more of a statement and accusation of t8's unforgiveness than an apology.
Proverbs 14:15 (NASB)
The naive believes everything, but the sensible man considers his steps.Quote I found several things wrong in the “baal gad” topic.
As did I. The logic of it makes no sense. How he comes to his conclusion doesn't make sense.
The etymology of the word “god” is interesting and it was something new to me. But how he reasoned on “baal gad” is beyond me.david.
To Jamie.
I stopped reading Eliyah's post a while back as he always preaching the Baal Gad and the evils of the Greek language even in posts that were unrelated. These forums are for those who want to seek truth together, but in the appropriate place. They are not all platforms for the same doctrine.
Eliyah made a spectacle of himself. He sapped a lot of energy and time from people with his complaints, when all anyone really wanted to do was learn and teach. He got me and others to focus on his cause and that was how the spectacle was created. If he just left it alone, I wouldn't have wasted my time and the spectacle would most likely not exist. The poll was set up to give people a vote after he was asked to leave by myself and then complained. So in response to his complaints I asked the others what they thought.
It seems I am wrong if I respond and wrong if I don't, a no win situation. When I replied to him a spectacle was created by reason of his resistance. If I ignored him, that made it worse to the point where he was placing links to other forums to get people away from this one in order to try and annoy me. However he truly failed to annoy me. I just enforced the rules that he stepped on it was that simple.
May I remind you of the rules here Jamie. They are simple and are there so that discussions do not become hijacked, flooded, or that they do not become platforms for spam and links.
The difference between a good and bad website is what is known as signal and noise. There is so much stuff on the Internet that it has become a noisy place and it is very easy for a website to become all things to all people as the resources for webmasters seem endless. However, all useful website's have at least one thing in common, they broadcast a signal. In other words they don't project all information for the sake of it. They are specific and that is why people visit certain websites.
This Website asks a few things of people in order to keep it interesting and relevant. One of them is to not create noise but stick to the signals. This is not to say that one cannot preach what is dear to them. Of course they can, but in the appropriate place. Keep the signals pure and they will become useful to the readers. If they become noisy or resort to shouting matches, people will get bored and leave.
To often we see people shouting above others and flooding their message so that it stands out from the others. This type of activity is frowned upon here.
Mr Bob you wrote
Quote I found several things wrong in the “baal gad” topic. Also, upon looking back on his posts, I also began to realize how little love he had in them. When Nick first asked Eliyah a question, he was asked/preemptively accused of censoring controversial teachings. Eliyah would also go back and try to “dig up dirt” in order to defend himself.
No, Eliyah did not apologize. He apologized for “whatever he did.” One doesn't apologize for “whatever.” His apology was more of a statement and accusation of t8's unforgiveness than an apology.
Mr Bob I think if you go back through this same thread here that you will find a post that Eliyah said that he appologized for whatever he had said to heaven T8 and if you saw several things wrong in the baal gad topic you certainly never pointed them out to him and neither did you try to disprove them did you? I have been reading all these back posts and exactly where is that post where Eliyah ' tried to dig up dirt inorder to defend himself ' ? I also read a post where Eliyah agreed with you a subject and even blessed you in Yahweh's Name.
Mr Bob why do you bring these things up now after he is gone and not while he was here instead of accusing him now that he is gone from here? I think you are blindsided and still confused as none of you could even understand his posts so you did not know how to answer him back and took his words to mean merely what you assumed in your own mind.Jamie
Hi Jamie,,
I ignored Eliyah's posts after a while as I knew that he was going to be very time consuming.
I personally do not have a lot of time especially the last few months and what time I had, I wanted to use it wisely. The last thing I wanted was to argue endlessly with Eliyah. My wife had just had a baby and previous to that I went to hospital a few times when I thought I was going to die. I also had a lot of work at my job and other things to sort out. Things have become normal again, thank God. In fact normal is an understatement, YHWH has really blessed us.
Eliyah may have a point or may not with his doctrine, but it wasn't really his doctrine, rather the way he went about it that put me off. His posts were very long, numerous, forceful, and often in discussions that were unrelated to the subject. Like I said, I didn't have the time that he required.
I tend to post on a few discussions at a time. The majority I may skim over, but I focus on a few. I chose not to focus on Eliyah's posts as I chose not to focus on most. He should respect that after all YHWH gave us free will and he lets us choose.
Maybe if Eliyah's posts were smaller and not so numerous, I might have been able to get involved. I actually would like to discuss some things related to word origins, but not in the manner he was proposing. It seemed to me that what I did read of his, just didn't sound right or seemed to based on a lot of assumptions. But then again, I didn't read all his stuff because he required more time that I had.
BTW, are you a personal friend of Eliyah's?
Heaven T8 why do you not merely combine your posts instead of speaking and posting as if you are two people and please stop playing double minded? No I am not Eliyah's wife but you could now call me his friend thanks to a member on here who sent me a private message telling me how to get in contact with him. Mr. T8 heaven you also wrote
Quote When I replied to him a spectacle was created by reason of his resistance. If I ignored him, that made it worse to the point where he was placing links to other forums to get people away from this one in order to try and annoy me. However he truly failed to annoy me. I just enforced the rules that he stepped on it was that simple. I don't think Eliyah was trying to annoy you by posting his forum link because I read on his forum to a member here that he invited anyone from this forum including inviting you to his forum and said you were welcome there anytime. No Mr.T8 heaven you made a spectacle out of yourself by putting him on a voting poll and trying to dig up past forgiven dirt between him and Is 1:18 to sway others to to vote your way then everyone voted and evidently the majority wanted him to come back and then you yourself asked him officially back reinstating him back to the forum. That is the most disrespectable form of leadership I have ever seen being done to anyone. No Mr T8 heaven your the one who made a spectacle out of yourself by first asking him to leave then asking him to come back on your part or is it not? Or is he not still welcome back here after you asked him officially back to this forum?
Jamie
OK so you are back Eliyah, even if you are using another ID or speaking through another person. Your attempt to waste my time won't work because I can ignore you when you demand too much of my time.
Jamie, I noticed that the IP number for Eliyah and Jamie was the same. An incredible coincedence? This means that you are using the same ISP at least, and possibly the same computer or connection at most. Whatever the reason, I can hear Eliyah again and it seems that distraction is once again the order of the day.
In order to NOT make a so-called spectacle of the Jamie profile I will delete that profile if the rules are broken, just as any member will be. Please just stick to the rules. No abuse, no spam, no flooding the discussions, and stick to the subject.
BTW Eliyah can post here, so he doesn't need to use the Jamie profile or speak through you if you are another person. He can speak direct.
Quote Eliyah may have a point or may not with his doctrine, but it wasn't really his doctrine, rather the way he went about it that put me off. His posts were very long, numerous, forceful, and often in discussions that were unrelated to the subject. Like I said, I didn't have the time that he required. Mr T8 heaven you are correct on one thing it was not Eliyah's doctrines it was YHWH's doctrines that he was promoting and it is true his posts are long but I supose he thought he had to fully explain YHWH's doctrines about idolatry and when anyone takes the time to fully read what he writes they must admit that he spoke scriptures as is written and could not be denied according to scriptures themselves. But as for being 'forceful ' I have been on many forums that he has been and I have seen the bad words that have been spoken to him from others and I can understand why he would seem forceful and coarse to you but when you face as much opposition as I have seen from others in their words maybe you would understand why he seemed forceful.
Mr T8 heaven you also wroteQuote I chose not to focus on Eliyah's posts as I chose not to focus on most. He should respect that after all YHWH gave us free will and he lets us choose. You are true that YHWH gave us free will to choose but that was your problem you have not even yet really focused on Eliyah's posts for if you do you will see that what he says about idol titles does not scripturally Honor YHWH and really is idolatry according to scriptures as Isaiah 42:8 is only one verse that will prove YHWH will not give or share His Name which is His Honor with no other idol deity. You should really sometime take some extra time to fully read more of his posts and you will see that to be truthful with YHWH and His Word.
Jamie
Quote OK so you are back Eliyah, even if you are using another ID or speaking through another person. Your attempt to waste my time won't work because I can ignore you when you demand too much of my time. Jamie, I noticed that the IP number for Eliyah and Jamie was the same. An incredible coincedence? This means that you are using the same ISP at least, and possibly the same computer or connection at most. Whatever the reason, I can hear Eliyah again and it seems that distraction is once again the order of the day
Please don't make me laugh Mr.T8 heaven that was really flattering of you to say that to me but it is possibly that we could be on the same internet service provider but aren't you the one talking to me? Then how am I taking up your time or are you not taking up your own time? Thank you for the compliment though I would rather be on the side of YHWH and Eliyah for they do speak truth Mr T8 heaven.
Jamie
So are we certain Jamie is Eliyah?
If the IP numbers are the same, that proves it, doesn't it? I don't know a lot about computers, but each computer has its own IP (I believe Internet Protocol) address, right?
And if Jamie says she didn't know Eliyah, it's doubtful they could be using the same computer, right?How certain are you that Jamie is Eliyah, t8? I was hoping someone other than Eliyah could explain the “baal gad” thing in a much much simpler, much much shorter way.
david.
Internet Service Providers (ISP) own/are allocated blocks of IP numbers that they give out randomly to their customers. Other customers are given a static IP addresses.
Jamie and Eliyah definately share the same ISP, that is the only guarantee at this stage.
If I was the FBI and wanted to determine if they were using the same account, I would find out which ISP owns that number and then find out who's account(s) was given that IP at that time.
The first thing in finding this info out could be to visit:
http://www.iana.org/ipaddress/ip-addresses.htmThis will show which ISP owns the IP address. Of course I am not interested in doing that. If the ISP was local, then you could determine that they live in the same geographical location from just using the service linked above.
The next part is the hard part because to ask an ISP for records requires some kind of permit similar to a search warrant I would suspect. I know that Google is currently fighting the US government over access to their information.
Quote (Jamie @ Mar. 23 2006,13:28) Quote OK so you are back Eliyah, even if you are using another ID or speaking through another person. Your attempt to waste my time won't work because I can ignore you when you demand too much of my time. Jamie, I noticed that the IP number for Eliyah and Jamie was the same. An incredible coincedence? This means that you are using the same ISP at least, and possibly the same computer or connection at most. Whatever the reason, I can hear Eliyah again and it seems that distraction is once again the order of the day
Please don't make me laugh Mr.T8 heaven that was really flattering of you to say that to me but it is possibly that we could be on the same internet service provider but aren't you the one talking to me? Then how am I taking up your time or are you not taking up your own time? Thank you for the compliment though I would rather be on the side of YHWH and Eliyah for they do speak truth Mr T8 heaven.
Jamie
Laughter is good for the soul
You would only take up my time if you let Eliyah speak through you or if you flood the discussions with the Baal Gad topic.
Of course I would be more than happy if you stick to the topic for each discussion and not use them for a platform for Baal Gad.
There already exist a few discussions whose topic is Baal Gad or YHWH only related themes. You can promote your case/doctrine as much as you like there and anyone is free to challenge or agree with your points of view.
One tip though: most people do not read very long posts, they just don't have the time. If posts are focussed and related to the discussion, there is a better chance that your posts will be read. Advertisers are well aware of this, and get their message across on TV or the Internet, by getting to the point. You can get away with a longer explanation when people are interested and when it is relevant.
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