Seventy weeks were determined on november 29, 1947

[Anonymous]

SEVENTY WEEKS WERE DETERMINED ON NOVEMBER 29, 1947

“Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy.”

Daniel 9:24 is probably one of the most sought after verses to understand in the scriptures. Men have tried all kind of ways hoping that it would reveal its secret. However the literal understanding of WHAT IT REALLY DESCRIBES IS VERY PLAIN.

The word weeks was translated from the Hebrew word SHABUWA meaning a period of Seven and also Feast of Weeks which is one of the seven Feasts of the Set Apart One of Israel:

SHABUWA (shaw-boo'-ah); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 7620:  seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, week; FEAST OF WEEKS (Shavuot)

In the original Hebrew, Shabuwa is in plural form; meaning FeastS of Weeks RATHER THAN ONLY ONE Feast of Weeks.

This verse reads: “Seventy Shabuwas or Shavuots are determined.” Shavuot is one of the feasts call “The Feast of Weeks” also known as Pentecost in the Christian churches.

There is only one “Feast of Weeks” per year. To extend the clarity to the fullness of the verse, it literally reads, “Seventy Feasts of Weeks” (or 70 Yrs) are determined from some starting point of this proclamation and an ending unto God’s Rest in a 'Yovel' or Year of Jubilee!

Are you a truth seeker? Let's look at the “truth” from God's word of truth.

In Daniel 9:24, the above proclamation is given to the people of Israel and Jerusalem, that the Messiah is coming within 70 year alotted timeframe and that before it ends, HE IS REQUIRED to fulfill “six” assignments and obviously, the last being in the Millennial reign.  

The chronology below contains the “69” weeks or the “troublous times of 7 + 62 weeks until “Messiah the Prince” upon which much speculation has been given as to why the 69 weeks were seperated.

What also gets 'overlooked' in this prophecy is the fact that the last, or 120th Jubilee cycle of seven “shmitah” or sabbatical weeks totaling 49 years and a Jubilee year are involved

However, along with the “six assignments of Messiah” listed above, the reality of the matter is the “7” of 69, IS THE LAST SABBATICAL WEEK of this age and contains all the unfolding events associated with it.

Thereby the seperating of it and rightly so FOR EMPHASIS FROM the previous 62 weeks of years is founded in 'scriptural' logic!

So from the 'historic' UN vote of November 29, 1947 proclaiming the 'right' of Israel to become a nation this chronology transpired.

–1. 9-15-1947 to 10-3-1948— First of “62” Festival of Weeks/Shavuot fell on June 13, 1948
–2. 10-4-1948 to 9-23-1949
–3. 9-24-1949 to 9-11-1950
–4. 9-12-1950 to 9-30-1951
 *5. 10-1-1951 to 9-19-1952—A Shmitah year
–6. 9-20-1952 to 9-09-1953
–7. 9-10-1953 to 9-27-1954
–8. 9-28-1954 to 9-16-1955
–9. 9-17-1955 to 9-05-1956
-10. 9-06-1956 to 9-25-1957
-11. 9-26-1957 to 9-14-1958
*12. 9-15-1958 to 10-2-1959—A Shmitah year
–13. 10-3-1959 to 9-21-1960
–14. 9-22-1960 to 9-10-1961
–15. 9-11-1961 to 9-28-1962
–16. 9-29-1962 to 9-18-1963
–17. 9-19-1963 to 9-06-1964
–18. 9-07-1964 to 9-26-1965
*19. 9-27-1965 to 9-14-1966—A Shmitah year
–20. 9-15-1966 to 10-4-1967 Jubilee year, Jerusalem returned to Israel

THE LAST SABBATICAL CYCLE'S '7 WEEKS OF 7' TOTALING 49 YEARS AND A JUBILEE YEAR

                               THE LAST '50' WEEKS

The first “week of 7” of Sabbatical cycle 120, began on October 5, 1967 and contains Shavuots 21-27

–21. 10-5-1967 to 9-22-1968
–22. 9-23-1968 to 9-12-1969
–23. 9-13-1969 to 9-30-1970
–24. 10-1-1970 to 9-19-1971
–25. 9-20-1971 to 9-08-1972
–26. 9-09-1972 to 9-26-1973
*27. 9-27-1973 to 9-16-1974 A Shmitah year

The ‘second’ sabbatical week contains Shavuot # 28-34 and began on September 17, 1974

–28. 9-17-1974 to 9-05-1975
–29. 9-06-1975 to 9-24-1976
–30. 9-25-1976 to 9-12-1977
–31. 9-13-1977 to 10-1-1978
–32. 10-2-1978 to 9-21-1979
–33. 9-22-1979 to 9-10-1980
*34. 9-11-1980 to 9-28-1981— A Shmitah year

The ‘third’ Sabbatical week contains Shavuot # 35-41 and began on September 29, 1981

–35. 9-29-1981 to 9-17-1982
–36. 9-18-1982 to 9-07-1983
–37. 9-08-1983 to 9-26-1984
–38. 9-27-1984 to 9-15-1985
–39. 9-16-1985 to 10-3-1986
–40. 10-4-1986 to 9-23-1987
*41. 9-24-1987 to 9-11-1988— A Shmitah year

The ‘fourth’ Sabbatical week contains Shavuot # 42-48 and began on September 12, 1988

–42. 9-12-1988 to 9-29-1989
–43. 9-30-1989 to 9-19-1990
–44. 9-20-1990 to 9-08-1991
–45. 9-09-1991 to 9-27-1992
–46. 9-28-1992 to 9-15-1993
–47. 9-16-1993 to 9-05-1994
*48. 9-06-1994 to 9-24-1995— A Shmitah year

The ‘fifth’ Sabbatical Week contains Shavuot # 49-55 and began on September 25, 1995

–49. 9-25-1995 to 9-13-1996
–50. 9-14-1996 to 10-1-1997
–51. 10-2-1997 to 9-20-1998  
–52. 9-21-1998 to 9-10-1999
–53. 9-11-1999 to 9-29-2000
–54. 9-30-2000 to 9-17-2001
*55. 9-18-2001 to 9-06-2002— A Shmitah year

The ‘sixth’ Sabbatical Week contains Shavuot # 56-62 and began on September 7, 2002

–56. 9-07-2002 to 9-26-2003
–57. 9-27-2003 to 9-15-2004
–58. 9-16-2004 to 10-3-2005
–59. 10-4-2005 to 9-22-2006
–60. 9-23-2006 to 9-12-2007
–61. 9-13-2007 to 9-29-2008
*62. 9-30-2008 to 9-18-2009 A Shmitah year

DANIEL 9:25b…UNTO THE MESSIAH, THE PRINCE SHALL BE SEVEN WEEKS

The ‘seventh’ and last Sabbatical Week contains Shavuot # 63-69 began on September 19, 2009

–63. 9-19-2009 to 9-08-2010 The “63rd” Shavuot fell on May 19, 2010
–64. 9-09-2010 to 9-28-2011
–65. 9-29-2011 to 9-16-2012
–66. 9-17-2012 to 9-04-2013 Satan cast out, Revelation 12:14-17 antichrist revealed Rev. 13:5
–67. 9-05-2013 to 9-24-2014
–68. 9-25-2014 to 9-13-2015
*69. 9-14-2015 to 10-2-2016— A Shmitah year

Note the antichrist, a man #6, being revealed in the 66th week, not without significance.

THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM AND THE YEAR OF JUBILEE

–70. 10-3-2016 to 9-20-2017—The Millennial reign and Jubilee year begin on October 12, 2016

MESSIAH FULFILLS HIS LAST OBLIGATION DANIEL 24b…”AND TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY”

Interestingly enough is the fact that the “seventieth Shavuot” falls on May 28, 2017 or 7 months and 17 days from the entrance of the “resurrected saints and wilderness remnants” into the 'Millennium'.

They had been kept on a “sea of glass” of 'security' for 40 days while the “battle of Armageddon” and God was pouring His “seven” viles of wrath onto the earth.

With that said, it looks as if the 'Millenial Temple' of Ezekiel 40-47 could posibly be built in a little over seven months time as the Messiah fulfills the last of his required duties and “anoints the most Holy place” on 6 Sivan during the 'Feast of Weeks'?

Remember “resurrected bodies” will be the norm so a “Temple” being built in seven months may not be out of the norm!

This chronology IS FOOL PROOF and doesn't bode well for those looking for a “pre-trib” rapture seven years before the 'end of the age” because counting back seven years from September 20, 2017, that they probably haven't a 'clue' that already falls in the Millennium, brings us to the 'now passed' September 9, 2010.

What we are preparing for IS AN EVENT AFTER the mid-term elections that will bring economic 'oppression' on our land and the world that will incrementally worsen until the 'second Exodus&#
39; on Passover March 25/26, 2013!

The President IS THE RIDER of Revelation 6:5-6's “Black Horse” and does hold a “pair of scales in his hands”. This “event” has already BEEN PLANNED that will “tip” the scales he holds.

If you don't have your Web Home Page set to Drudge.com or a similiar reputable site with 'economic' headlines and stories updated continually, I recommend you do so.

Just as Pharoah bullied and made Israel uncomfortable before their “Exodus” out of Egypt and their entrance into the wilderness.

So will the oppressor holding the “scales” in Washington DC be ALLOWED TO DO before the 'second Exodus' into the wilderness on Passover 2013. Revelation 12:14-17 and Ezekiel 20:33-38

It will be at this time Revelation 12:10 and Revelation 12:14-17 along with Revelation 13:5 occur some 16 days later on April 11, 2013, as the revealing of the antichrist will unfold.

Giving Him the glory an Ezekiel 33:6 watching one REPENT the Kingdom of God is at hand make your 'Redemption' SURE

[mikeboll64]

Hi Gavriel,

How do you know to start the 70 weeks when the UN declared Israel to be a nation? And how do you know it is the President of the US that is the black rider? The whole world can topple between now and 2013 and the US could be in ruins by then and Pakistan could be ruling the world for all we know.

Just some food for thought.

peace and love,
mike

[Baker]

Gavriel

Have you overlooked that the counting for those 70 weeks started with the order to rebuild the wall and the city?

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The command to restore the city was given in 457 BC, by the Persian king Artaxerx.
These 70 weeks have to be counted as 70 weeks of years, or 490 years.
In verse 24 it says, to anoint the most Holy, that is referring to Jesus when he was baptised, at the end of 69 weeks. Immediately after his baptism he began his ministry, week number 70.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

He confirmed, preached the gospel, new covenant, with many, all over Judea, for one week, 7 years; except he was cut off in the middle of the week, three and a half years. His death caused the “Old Covenant” sacrifices and oblations to cease; they were no longer necessary.
The apostles finished the week preaching the gospel to the Israelites first, and then, at the end of the 70 weeks this happened.

Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision (Jews) which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This is what the 70 weeks were all about, when God would pour out his Holy Spirit on the Gentiles also.

Georg

[Anonymous]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 18 2010,05:51)

Hi Gavriel, How do you know to start the 70 weeks when the UN declared Israel to be a nation?  And how do you know it is the President of the US that is the black rider?  The whole world can topple between now and 2013 and the US could be in ruins by then and Pakistan could be ruling the world for all we know. Just some food for thought. peace and love, mike

mikeboll64 asked,

1.) How do you know to start the 70 weeks when the UN declared Israel to be a nation?  2.) And how do you know it is the President of the US that is the black rider?

Then saying, “The whole world can topple between now and 2013 and the US could be in ruins by then and Pakistan could be ruling the world for all we know”.

Hello Mike,

The “City of God” is Jerusalem, His name is written there, thats how i know to start the proclamation of Daniel 9:24 on that date. Nothing could be more prophetically significant than that day, 11-29-1947, you talk about a “year of JUBILEE” could there be no other to count 'here and fro' from!

In regards to your second question, Daniel 7:4-8 sets the tone with the “lion” Bill Clinton, the “bear” George W. Bush and the “leopard” with many spots is Barack Obama, do you know the country of his birth? Following him is the “little horn” whom Daniel 8:8-9 gives us his origin.

Revelation 13:2 'bridges' Daniel 7:4-7 to Revelation 6:2-8 with Bill Clinton picking up the mantle of the “white horse” with the 'arrowless bow' of three peace treaties he has tried to instigate between Israel and the Palestinians.

It bridges the “bear” to the “red horse”, the war President, George W. Bush, of Iraq and Afghanistan fame.

While the “leopard” fits perfectly with the “economic chaos” of the “black horse” who is holding a pair of balances in his hand” that is about to be 'tipped' after the mid-term elections.

Following him, is the “pale horse”, Daniel 7 and 8's “little horn” sitting upon him is Death/Satan and Hell/the grave following him. (the antichrist's marking ordeal)

The “leopard” of Daniel and rider on the “black horse” also fulfills the “raiser of taxes” role in Daniel 11:20, who is followed by the “vile person” in Daniel 11:21 This is how i know “the President of the US is the black horse rider”

And as far as the “whole world toppling between now and 2013 and the US being in ruins and Pakistan  ruling the world”.

This i can say, a “economic crisis” WILL EFFECT the whole world and bring the US and the rest of the world under 'serious' oppression between now and Passover 2013.

However a “remnant” will survive and be taken into the “wilderness” at the 'second Exodus' come Passover March 25/26, 2013.

Thanks for the response, Gavriel

[Anonymous]

Quote (Baker @ Oct. 18 2010,09:28)

Gavriel Have you overlooked that the counting for those 70 weeks started with the order to rebuild the wall and the city? Dan 9:25   Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. The command to restore the city was given in 457 BC, by the Persian king Artaxerx. These 70 weeks have to be counted as 70 weeks of years, or 490 years. In verse 24 it says, to anoint the most Holy, that is referring to Jesus when he was baptised, at the end of 69 weeks. Immediately after his baptism he began his ministry, week number 70.   Dan 9:27   And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.   He confirmed, preached the gospel, new covenant, with many, all over Judea, for one week, 7 years; except he was cut off in the middle of the week, three and a half years. His death caused the “Old Covenant” sacrifices and oblations to cease; they were no longer necessary. The apostles finished the week preaching the gospel to the Israelites first, and then, at the end of the 70 weeks this happened. Act 10:45   And they of the circumcision (Jews) which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.   This is what the 70 weeks were all about, when God would pour out his Holy Spirit on the Gentiles also. Georg

Baker asked,

“Have you overlooked that the counting for those 70 weeks started with the order to rebuild the wall and the city?”

No I haven't because most all prophecy has a pashat, remez, drash and sod interpretation or four differant levels of understanding.

The “counting of those 70 weeks” actually starts out with a proclamation of six requirements the 'Messiah' will fulfill before May 28, 2017 or the 70th 'Feast of Shavuot'.

Baker you said,

“The command to restore the city was given in 457 BC, by the Persian king Artaxerx, and that these 70 weeks have to be counted as 70 weeks of years, or 490 years”

That is correct, the 490 years are another interpretation or 'witness' to the “70 Feasts of Weeks”. However i believe the command was given in 454 BC so as to line up with Yeshua's ministry beginning in 30 AD.

454BC – 483AD = 29 AD + 1 going over the year 0 = 30AD

The 70 weeks are about the Set Apart One of Israel getting the house of Israel and the house of Judah and the “grafted in Gentiles” spiritually ready to be able to “come under the rod and into the bond of the covenant”, Ezekiel 20:33-38 and Revelation 12:14-17 on Passover March 25/26, 2013.

Thanks for your reply, Gavriel

[terraricca]

Quote (Guest @ Oct. 18 2010,19:21)

avriel Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 18 2010,05:51) Hi Gavriel, How do you know to start the 70 weeks when the UN declared Israel to be a nation?  And how do you know it is the President of the US that is the black rider?  The whole world can topple between now and 2013 and the US could be in ruins by then and Pakistan could be ruling the world for all we know. Just some food for thought. peace and love, mike mikeboll64 asked, 1.) How do you know to start the 70 weeks when the UN declared Israel to be a nation?  2.) And how do you know it is the President of the US that is the black rider? Then saying, “The whole world can topple between now and 2013 and the US could be in ruins by then and Pakistan could be ruling the world for all we know”. Hello Mike, The “City of God” is Jerusalem, His name is written there, thats how i know to start the proclamation of Daniel 9:24 on that date. Nothing could be more prophetically significant than that day, 11-29-1947, you talk about a “year of JUBILEE” could there be no other to count 'here and fro' from! In regards to your second question, Daniel 7:4-8 sets the tone with the “lion” Bill Clinton, the “bear” George W. Bush and the “leopard” with many spots is Barack Obama, do you know the country of his birth? Following him is the “little horn” whom Daniel 8:8-9 gives us his origin. Revelation 13:2 'bridges' Daniel 7:4-7 to Revelation 6:2-8 with Bill Clinton picking up the mantle of the “white horse” with the 'arrowless bow' of three peace treaties he has tried to instigate between Israel and the Palestinians. It bridges the “bear” to the “red horse”, the war President, George W. Bush, of Iraq and Afghanistan fame. While the “leopard” fits perfectly with the “economic chaos” of the “black horse” who is holding a pair of balances in his hand” that is about to be 'tipped' after the mid-term elections. Following him, is the “pale horse”, Daniel 7 and 8's “little horn” sitting upon him is Death/Satan and Hell/the grave following him. (the antichrist's marking ordeal) The “leopard” of Daniel and rider on the “black horse” also fulfills the “raiser of taxes” role in Daniel 11:20, who is followed by the “vile person” in Daniel 11:21 This is how i know “the President of the US is  the black horse rider” And as far as the “whole world toppling between now and 2013 and the US being in ruins and Pakistan  ruling the world”. This i can say, a “economic crisis” WILL EFFECT the whole world and bring the US and the rest of the world under 'serious' oppression between now and Passover 2013. However a “remnant” will survive and be taken into the “wilderness” at the 'second Exodus' come Passover March 25/26, 2013. Thanks for the response, Gavriel

hello Gavriel,

what you are explaining with Jerusalem i mean today,will never happen guaranteed,Israel and Jerusalem are definitely not a nation and a city that worship God the father of Christ,

after 70 AD
the temple in Jerusalem will never be rebuilt,and Israel as declared that they are a DEMOCRACY NOT A THEOCRACY,so they do not worship the God of Abraham,Jacobs,Issac,and David.
and the temple in EZE;is the true temple in heaven.
so your concept does not stand on a nail.

Pierre

[Baker]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 19 2010,11:56)

Quote (Guest @ Oct. 18 2010,19:21) avriel Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 18 2010,05:51) Hi Gavriel, How do you know to start the 70 weeks when the UN declared Israel to be a nation?  And how do you know it is the President of the US that is the black rider?  The whole world can topple between now and 2013 and the US could be in ruins by then and Pakistan could be ruling the world for all we know. Just some food for thought. peace and love, mike mikeboll64 asked, 1.) How do you know to start the 70 weeks when the UN declared Israel to be a nation?  2.) And how do you know it is the President of the US that is the black rider? Then saying, “The whole world can topple between now and 2013 and the US could be in ruins by then and Pakistan could be ruling the world for all we know”. Hello Mike, The “City of God” is Jerusalem, His name is written there, thats how i know to start the proclamation of Daniel 9:24 on that date. Nothing could be more prophetically significant than that day, 11-29-1947, you talk about a “year of JUBILEE” could there be no other to count 'here and fro' from! In regards to your second question, Daniel 7:4-8 sets the tone with the “lion” Bill Clinton, the “bear” George W. Bush and the “leopard” with many spots is Barack Obama, do you know the country of his birth? Following him is the “little horn” whom Daniel 8:8-9 gives us his origin. Revelation 13:2 'bridges' Daniel 7:4-7 to Revelation 6:2-8 with Bill Clinton picking up the mantle of the “white horse” with the 'arrowless bow' of three peace treaties he has tried to instigate between Israel and the Palestinians. It bridges the “bear” to the “red horse”, the war President, George W. Bush, of Iraq and Afghanistan fame. While the “leopard” fits perfectly with the “economic chaos” of the “black horse” who is holding a pair of balances in his hand” that is about to be 'tipped' after the mid-term elections. Following him, is the “pale horse”, Daniel 7 and 8's “little horn” sitting upon him is Death/Satan and Hell/the grave following him. (the antichrist's marking ordeal) The “leopard” of Daniel and rider on the “black horse” also fulfills the “raiser of taxes” role in Daniel 11:20, who is followed by the “vile person” in Daniel 11:21 This is how i know “the President of the US is  the black horse rider” And as far as the “whole world toppling between now and 2013 and the US being in ruins and Pakistan  ruling the world”. This i can say, a “economic crisis” WILL EFFECT the whole world and bring the US and the rest of the world under 'serious' oppression between now and Passover 2013. However a “remnant” will survive and be taken into the “wilderness” at the 'second Exodus' come Passover March 25/26, 2013. Thanks for the response, Gavriel hello Gavriel, what you are explaining with Jerusalem i mean today,will never happen guaranteed,Israel and Jerusalem are definitely not a nation and a city that worship God the father of Christ, after 70 AD the temple in Jerusalem will never be rebuilt,and Israel as declared that they are a DEMOCRACY NOT A THEOCRACY,so they do not worship the God of Abraham,Jacobs,Issac,and David. and the temple in EZE;is the true temple in heaven. so your concept does not stand on a nail. Pierre

Pierre, you and Gavriel are a match.

Georg

[Tim Kraft]

Fools and blind guides have been making up a devastating literal end of time for over two thousand years. Meanwhile Gods people suffer for a lack of knowledge. If anyone cares enough to even think for a second outside the literal, religious, destruction box created by ignorant individuals that havn't got a clue, you might hear from the master himself. Jesus said in several different places, one being Luke 16:16,”the law and the PROPHETS were UNTIL John the baptist, since then the Kingdom is preached,,,” and Luke 24:24,…” ALL THINGS MUST BE FULFILLED WHICH WERE WRITTEN IN THE LAW OF MOSES AND IN THE PROPHETS AND IN THE PSALMS concerning Jesus”! The key to timing is set by the lord and master himself. The prophecies led up to Jesus when he came and set up the Kingdom of God within each believing person. Again Matt. 11:13 again in Luke 17:21. All prophecy was fuflilled or brought to completion when Jesus came. They were testifying about his arrival. In John Jesus says you search the scriptures and in them you think you find eternal life, but it is me (Jesus) that they testify about. If you choose to deny Jesus for the sake of doctrines of men that is certainly your choice. I didn't write the book. TK

[Baker]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 30 2010,09:42)

Fools and blind guides have been making up a devastating literal end of time for over two thousand years. Meanwhile Gods people suffer for a lack of knowledge. If anyone cares enough to even think for a second outside the literal, religious, destruction box created by ignorant individuals that havn't got a clue, you might hear from the master himself. Jesus said in several different places, one being Luke 16:16,”the law and the PROPHETS were UNTIL John the baptist, since then the Kingdom is preached,,,” and Luke 24:24,…” ALL THINGS MUST BE FULFILLED WHICH WERE WRITTEN IN THE LAW OF MOSES AND IN THE PROPHETS AND IN THE PSALMS concerning Jesus”! The key to timing is set by the lord and master himself. The prophecies led up to Jesus when he came and set up the Kingdom of God within each believing person. Again Matt. 11:13 again in Luke 17:21. All prophecy was fuflilled or brought to completion when Jesus came. They were testifying about his arrival. In John Jesus says you search the scriptures and in them you think you find eternal life, but it is me (Jesus) that they testify about. If you choose to deny Jesus for the sake of doctrines of men that is certainly your choice. I didn't write the book. TK

Tim

Would you say the book of Revelation is full of prophecies? “IT” was written at the end of the first century. Can you claim all of them were fulfilled also?

Georg

[Tim Kraft]

Georg: First of all I didn't make the claim that all phophecy was fulfilled, Jesus did, I choose not to argue with my lord. My first studies in the Bible back in '79 were all about the end times. Hal Lindsey, Jack VanEmpy and many more. I was well versed in all of it. Jesus changed my mind to what you are reading as best as I can write.

Yes sir I do consider the revelation of Jesus Christ to be a prophecy and an overview that covers everything about Jesus and what he would do from the beginning of recorded time up unto John the baptist. A revelation to me is an unvieling of truth that has happened.The word prophecy makes me perceive a future event but John himself said to seal up the the words of this

prophecy until the end. The end was when Jesus came. Jesus is the one who changed my mind.All that was written in the scriptures was fulfilled in Christ. Luke 22:37. The end of the religious world order of the Jews, the end of the physical temple worship, the end of the law of Moses or any other law. There is no end to the Kingdom of God. It is an eternal Kingdom. There is no end to look for except rising up in the knowledge of who we are through Christ and what we have been made through him!! IMO

The scriptures speak for me I don't have all the answers, but it sure seems to be that the genealogies all led to Christ, and everything pointed to that start of a whole new way. TK

[Baker]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 01 2010,02:20)

Georg: First of all I didn't make the claim that all phophecy was fulfilled, Jesus did, I choose not to argue with my lord. My first studies in the Bible back in '79 were all about the end times. Hal Lindsey, Jack VanEmpy and many more. I was well versed in all of it. Jesus changed my mind to what you are reading as best as I can write.                                                                                                                       Yes sir I do consider the revelation of Jesus Christ to be a prophecy and an overview that covers everything about Jesus and what he would do from the beginning of recorded time up unto John the baptist. A revelation to me is an unvieling of truth that has happened.The word prophecy makes me perceive a future event but  John himself said to seal up the the words of this prophecy until the end. The end was when Jesus came. Jesus is the one who changed my mind.All that was written in the scriptures was fulfilled in Christ. Luke 22:37. The end of the religious world order of the Jews, the end of the physical temple worship, the end of the law of Moses or any other law. There is no end to the Kingdom of God. It is an eternal Kingdom. There is no end to look for except rising up in the knowledge of who we are through Christ and what we have been made through him!! IMO The scriptures speak for me I don't have all the answers, but it sure seems to be that the genealogies all led to Christ, and everything pointed to that start of a whole new way. TK

It wasn't John who said this.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

The book of Revelation is a book of revealing, and yet it is also a book full of prophecies for our time; the end time.

For instance, the opening of the seven seals; do you understand what they mean?
The seven trumpets, the seven bowls; what do they prophecy?
Who, or what, is the seventh head on the beast in Rev. 17? or who, or what, is the eight head coming out of the seven?
Who is the beast coming out of the earth, Rev. 13?

Were all these things fulfilled at the time of Jesus? if they were, then you should know the answers to these prophecies.

Georg

[terraricca]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 30 2010,16:42)

Fools and blind guides have been making up a devastating literal end of time for over two thousand years. Meanwhile Gods people suffer for a lack of knowledge. If anyone cares enough to even think for a second outside the literal, religious, destruction box created by ignorant individuals that havn't got a clue, you might hear from the master himself. Jesus said in several different places, one being Luke 16:16,”the law and the PROPHETS were UNTIL John the baptist, since then the Kingdom is preached,,,” and Luke 24:24,…” ALL THINGS MUST BE FULFILLED WHICH WERE WRITTEN IN THE LAW OF MOSES AND IN THE PROPHETS AND IN THE PSALMS concerning Jesus”! The key to timing is set by the lord and master himself. The prophecies led up to Jesus when he came and set up the Kingdom of God within each believing person. Again Matt. 11:13 again in Luke 17:21. All prophecy was fuflilled or brought to completion when Jesus came. They were testifying about his arrival. In John Jesus says you search the scriptures and in them you think you find eternal life, but it is me (Jesus) that they testify about. If you choose to deny Jesus for the sake of doctrines of men that is certainly your choice. I didn't write the book. TK

tk

wen Christ came he set up his kingdom and give to everyone the hope of being in that kingdom ,and so it is that hope or faith in that kingdom that is in US who believe.

as for Israel according to the flesh no more.that was ended in 70 AD.this was God divorce letter .

but it is the beginning of the kingdom of Christ is kingdom is a heavenly one,now scriptures talk about the spiritual Israel,the heavenly Jerusalem ,this is the city of God.

this is the city that comes down from heaven to be with men in revelation.

now it is the return of Christ we are looking for.

Pierre

[Baker]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 06 2010,07:02)

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 30 2010,16:42) Fools and blind guides have been making up a devastating literal end of time for over two thousand years. Meanwhile Gods people suffer for a lack of knowledge. If anyone cares enough to even think for a second outside the literal, religious, destruction box created by ignorant individuals that havn't got a clue, you might hear from the master himself. Jesus said in several different places, one being Luke 16:16,”the law and the PROPHETS were UNTIL John the baptist, since then the Kingdom is preached,,,” and Luke 24:24,…” ALL THINGS MUST BE FULFILLED WHICH WERE WRITTEN IN THE LAW OF MOSES AND IN THE PROPHETS AND IN THE PSALMS concerning Jesus”! The key to timing is set by the lord and master himself. The prophecies led up to Jesus when he came and set up the Kingdom of God within each believing person. Again Matt. 11:13 again in Luke 17:21. All prophecy was fuflilled or brought to completion when Jesus came. They were testifying about his arrival. In John Jesus says you search the scriptures and in them you think you find eternal life, but it is me (Jesus) that they testify about. If you choose to deny Jesus for the sake of doctrines of men that is certainly your choice. I didn't write the book. TK tk wen Christ came he set up his kingdom and give to everyone the hope of being in that kingdom ,and so it is that hope or faith in that kingdom that is in US who believe. as for Israel according to the flesh no more.that was ended in 70 AD.this was God divorce letter . but it is the beginning of the kingdom of Christ is kingdom is a heavenly one,now scriptures talk about the spiritual Israel,the heavenly Jerusalem ,this is the city of God. this is the city that comes down from heaven to be with men in revelation. now it is the return of Christ we are looking for. Pierre

Pierre

You should know that any one that rejects the word of God as truth, calls God a liar.
Do “YOU” dare call God a liar?

Just what is it that Jesus is going to do when he returns?

Who will be living in that city from heaven?

Georg

[terraricca]

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 07 2010,03:38)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 06 2010,07:02) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 30 2010,16:42) Fools and blind guides have been making up a devastating literal end of time for over two thousand years. Meanwhile Gods people suffer for a lack of knowledge. If anyone cares enough to even think for a second outside the literal, religious, destruction box created by ignorant individuals that havn't got a clue, you might hear from the master himself. Jesus said in several different places, one being Luke 16:16,”the law and the PROPHETS were UNTIL John the baptist, since then the Kingdom is preached,,,” and Luke 24:24,…” ALL THINGS MUST BE FULFILLED WHICH WERE WRITTEN IN THE LAW OF MOSES AND IN THE PROPHETS AND IN THE PSALMS concerning Jesus”! The key to timing is set by the lord and master himself. The prophecies led up to Jesus when he came and set up the Kingdom of God within each believing person. Again Matt. 11:13 again in Luke 17:21. All prophecy was fuflilled or brought to completion when Jesus came. They were testifying about his arrival. In John Jesus says you search the scriptures and in them you think you find eternal life, but it is me (Jesus) that they testify about. If you choose to deny Jesus for the sake of doctrines of men that is certainly your choice. I didn't write the book. TK tk wen Christ came he set up his kingdom and give to everyone the hope of being in that kingdom ,and so it is that hope or faith in that kingdom that is in US who believe. as for Israel according to the flesh no more.that was ended in 70 AD.this was God divorce letter . but it is the beginning of the kingdom of Christ is kingdom is a heavenly one,now scriptures talk about the spiritual Israel,the heavenly Jerusalem ,this is the city of God. this is the city that comes down from heaven to be with men in revelation. now it is the return of Christ we are looking for. Pierre Pierre You should know that any one that rejects the word of God as truth, calls God a liar. Do “YOU” dare call God a liar? Just what is it that Jesus is going to do when he returns? Who will be living in that city from heaven? Georg

georg

what you mean???

Pierre

[Tim Kraft]

Georg and Pierre: I am just glad Jesus is here now with me and in me. I can talk to him and he teaches me all things about God. We have communion together 24/7. He would have to leave me to be able to return to me. Jesus is one with God and they are everywhere. There is no place they are not. They couldn't come from somewhere, they are already there.

If you are looking for Jesus to come to you it must be that you have not received him yet. He will never leave us, only in our confused minds could we believe that Jesus is somewhere else. That would be an error.! Bless you, TK

[JustAskin]

Let no one say “here” or “there” is the kingdom of heaven for it is within you.

[terraricca]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 07 2010,17:08)

Let no one say “here” or “there” is the kingdom of heaven for it is within you.

JA

explain that to me;;;WITHIN YOU,?

[Baker]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 07 2010,05:01)

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 07 2010,03:38) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 06 2010,07:02) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 30 2010,16:42) Fools and blind guides have been making up a devastating literal end of time for over two thousand years. Meanwhile Gods people suffer for a lack of knowledge. If anyone cares enough to even think for a second outside the literal, religious, destruction box created by ignorant individuals that havn't got a clue, you might hear from the master himself. Jesus said in several different places, one being Luke 16:16,”the law and the PROPHETS were UNTIL John the baptist, since then the Kingdom is preached,,,” and Luke 24:24,…” ALL THINGS MUST BE FULFILLED WHICH WERE WRITTEN IN THE LAW OF MOSES AND IN THE PROPHETS AND IN THE PSALMS concerning Jesus”! The key to timing is set by the lord and master himself. The prophecies led up to Jesus when he came and set up the Kingdom of God within each believing person. Again Matt. 11:13 again in Luke 17:21. All prophecy was fuflilled or brought to completion when Jesus came. They were testifying about his arrival. In John Jesus says you search the scriptures and in them you think you find eternal life, but it is me (Jesus) that they testify about. If you choose to deny Jesus for the sake of doctrines of men that is certainly your choice. I didn't write the book. TK tk wen Christ came he set up his kingdom and give to everyone the hope of being in that kingdom ,and so it is that hope or faith in that kingdom that is in US who believe. as for Israel according to the flesh no more.that was ended in 70 AD.this was God divorce letter . but it is the beginning of the kingdom of Christ is kingdom is a heavenly one,now scriptures talk about the spiritual Israel,the heavenly Jerusalem ,this is the city of God. this is the city that comes down from heaven to be with men in revelation. now it is the return of Christ we are looking for. Pierre Pierre You should know that any one that rejects the word of God as truth, calls God a liar. Do “YOU” dare call God a liar? Just what is it that Jesus is going to do when he returns? Who will be living in that city from heaven? Georg georg what you mean??? Pierre

Am I so unclear with my statements that you have to ask, what you mean?

Georg

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 07 2010,10:28)

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 07 2010,17:08) Let no one say “here” or “there” is the kingdom of heaven for it is within you. JA explain that to me;;;WITHIN YOU,?

Hi Terraricca,

          You claim to be a teacher, yet you know not what these things are?

Terraricca: These are all descriptions of those who have there own personal “Pentecost”!
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him
not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words:
and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Hebrews 7:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them
that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[Tim Kraft]

Hey Ed: Excellent answer. That is the truth I have apparantly been unable to present. But you must admit that if the scripture says, he (Jesus) dwelleth with you (at that time) and shall be in you (as you hear and accept the spirit of God through the words of Jesus, he manifests to each of his own, inside of their minds)…..If a man love me (Jesus words of truth), he will keep (hold fast) my words: and my Father(spirit words) will love him, and we (the Father, the Son and the Spirit/words/truth) will come(manifest) unto him, and make our abode (house, home, temple) in him. Hence we become the body of Christ, the temple of God, and the house of the holy spirit words of God. The Kingdom of God (the ruling power of God/love) rising up inside each of us who love/accept his words containing the knowledge of God through Christ Jesus.

Jesus returns (manifests as the comforter) to each individual (personal Pentecost) without sin unto salvation! Are you saved? We are all saved with Jesus inside us. If you are waiting for the return somehow of Jesus for some reason, then you do not believe he is here now!!
If Jesus is not here now then we are not saved and remain in sin. Of course if you believe you are still in sin you have rejected the cleansing of Jesus anyway.
The truth is now and it brings healing to the people. TK

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