Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c

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Seven Lessons for determining the correct translation of John 1:1c

(The first 5 lessons [A-E] concern the actual NT Greek grammar used by John)

A.

John 1:1 in NT Greek:

Ἐν  ἀρχῇ  ἦν ὁ  λόγος, καὶ  ὁ  λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ   θεὸς   ἦν  ὁ  λόγος
En arche en ho logos and ho logos en pros ton theon and theos en ho logos

There are three clauses (separated by καὶ or “and” in English).  The first (John 1:1a) is literally translated: “In beginning was the word.” The second (John 1:1b) is translated “the word was with the god.”  And the final one (John 1:1c) is literally translated “god was the word.”

I hope to examine John 1:1c to show that the very grammar used by John himself shows the actual intended meaning (whether ‘the Word was God,” or the “Word was a god”).  Since different NT writers varied somewhat in their grammar and usage of the Greek, we need to stick to John’s usage if we wish to analyze John 1:1c properly.

First, the word in question is θεος (‘theos’ in English letters), a noun known to NT Greek scholars as a noun in the nominative case.  Notice that this form of the word ends in ‘s.’  Theos can be used to mean ‘God’ or ‘god.’  Also notice that, as used in John 1:1c, theos stands alone.  That is, it has no “prepositional” modifiers (usually genitive or dative case nouns) such as “theos of Israel, or “theos to me,” etc.

Not only do such modifiers cause the use of the definite article (‘the’ in English) to be used irregularly, but the verse in question does not use them either.  Therefore, the very few “preposition-modified” nouns in John’s writings are not proper examples in this study which relies on the use of the definite article.

The next point is that when John (and Matthew, Mark, and Luke also) clearly meant “God” when writing theos (the form of the Greek word which ends in ς),  he always used the definite article (‘the’ in English – ‘ho’ in Greek): ho theos.  (You can tell that o in NT Greek is ‘ho’ if it has a tiny c-shaped mark above it – ὁ.)

You can test this ‘ho theos’ use means ‘God’ in John’s writings yourself with a good interlinear NT and concordance.

To Be Continued

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B.

John 1:1 in NT Greek (cont.):

The next step in finding John’s intended meaning of John 1:1c is to look up the meanings of theos in a good NT lexicon.  Numerous Trinitarian scholars [see footnote] admit that this word was also used for angels, kings, and God-appointed men such as judges in Israel.  In such cases it is usually rendered into English as ‘gods’ or ‘a god.’ And it was used that way in the Greek in the writings of Christians up to the time of Augustine at least.

So, why wouldn’t John 1:1c be rendered ‘the Word was god’ then rather than ‘the Word was a god’?

For this part of the analysis, we need to remember that there are exceptions where the article (‘the’) may be used at random as seen in part A. above.  So we are trying to find how John intends the lack of an article with a noun (like god, man, cave, etc.).  Such nouns must be “count nouns.”  That means, using the example of ‘man,’ it must be capable of being counted (a ‘count noun’): one man, two men, three men, etc.  It also must be capable of using the English indefinite article (‘a,’ ‘an’):  ‘a man.’

It is basic knowledge for NT Greek beginners that there is no indefinite article in the Greek.  So a count noun without the article (anarthrous) in the Greek is properly translated into English with an indefinite article (‘a,’ ‘an’).

So, again, with a good interlinear and concordance try finding uses of ‘man’ in John’s writing.  I know you will find some that do not have the article (ho) used with them.  So look up in all the translations you can find to see how those have been rendered into English.  I found 'anthropos' or ἄνθρωπος (‘man’) at John 1:6; 3:4; 3:27 (and many more) did not have the article (ho) used with them, so they were rendered as “a man” in all the Bibles I checked.

For example, look at John 10:33.  The predicate noun “man” (anthropos) comes before its verb ὢν (“being”) in the NT Greek text (ἄνθρωπος ὢν), and yet we do not find it consistently translated, even by trinitarian scholars and translators, as: “you, being human” (qualitative) or “you being the man” (Colwell's Rule”).

If they truly believed the “qualitative” rule or “Colwell's Rule,” they certainly would not have rendered it “you, being a man,” (indefinite) as they so often do:

See KJV; Douay-Rheims; ASV; ESV; ERV; NKJV; MKJV; NASB; RSV; NIV; NEB; REB; JB; NJB; AT; LB; GNT; NLT; ISV; KJIIV; NAB (’70); NAB (’91); CEV; BBE; LEB; NLV; WYC; ABC; ACV; Third Millennium Bible; 21st Century KJV; GOD’S WORD Translation; Updated Bible Version 1.9; World English Bible; C.B. Williams; Darby; Holman; Lamsa; Lattimore; Moffatt; Mounce; Phillips; Rotherham; Webster; Wesley’s; William Barclay; William Beck; Weymouth; Young’s.

So by now we should be able to see that in John 1:1c (‘theos was the Word’) the word theos does not have the article (ὁ or ‘ho’) and, according to John’s usage of such nouns, it would normally be translated as ‘a god.’
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Footnote:

Some of these trinitarian sources which admit that the Bible actually describes men who represent God (judges, Israelite kings, etc.) and God's angels as gods include:

1. Young's Analytical Concordance of the Bible, “Hints and Helps…,” Eerdmans, 1978 reprint;
2. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, #430, Hebrew & Chaldee Dict., Abingdon, 1974;
3. New Bible Dictionary, p. 1133, Tyndale House Publ., 1984;
4. Today's Dictionary of the Bible, p. 208, Bethany House Publ., 1982;
5. Hastings' A Dictionary of the Bible, p. 217, Vol. 2;
6. The New Brown-Driver-Briggs-Gesenius Hebrew-English Lexicon, p. 43, Hendrickson publ.,1979;
7. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, #2316 (4.), Thayer, Baker Book House, 1984 printing;
8. The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, p. 132, Vol. 1; & p. 1265, Vol. 2, Eerdmans, 1984;
9. The NIV Study Bible, footnotes for Ps. 45:6; Ps. 82:1, 6; & Jn 10:34; Zondervan, 1985;
10. New American Bible, St. Joseph ed., footnote for Ps. 45:7, 1970 ed.;
11. A. T. Robertson, Word Pictures, Vol. 5, pp. 188-189;
12. William G. T. Shedd, Dogmatic Theology, Vol. 1, pp. 317, 324, Nelson Publ., 1980 printing;
13. Murray J. Harris, Jesus As God, p. 202, Baker Book House, 1992;
14. William Barclay, The Gospel of John, V. 2, Daily Study Bible Series, pp. 77, 78, Westminster Press,1975;
15. The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible (John 10:34 & Ps. 82:6);
16. The Fourfold Gospel (Note for John 10:35);
17. Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible – Jamieson, Fausset, Brown (John 10:34-36);
18. Matthew Henry Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible (Ps. 82:6-8 and John 10:35);
19. John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible (Ps. 82:1).
20. Theological Dictionary of the New Testament ('Little Kittel'), – p. 328, Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1985.
21. The Expositor’s Greek Testament, pp. 794-795, Vol. 1, Eerdmans Publishing Co.
22. The Amplified Bible, Ps. 82:1, 6 and John 10:34, 35, Zondervan Publ., 1965.
23. Barnes' Notes on the New Testament, John 10:34, 35.
24. B. W. Johnson's People's New Testament, John 10:34-36.
25. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Zondervan, 1986, Vol. 3, p. 187.
26. Fairbairn’s Imperial Standard Bible Encyclopedia, p. 24, vol. III, Zondervan, 1957 reprint.
27. Theological Dictionary, Rahner and Vorgrimler, p. 20, Herder and Herder, 1965.
28. Pastor Jon Courson, The Gospel According to John.

(Also John 10:34, 35 – CEV: TEV; GodsWord; The Message; NLT; NIRV; David Guzik – http://www.blbclassic.org/comment….ic=John )

And, of course the highly respected and highly popular Hellenic Jewish writer, Philo, had the same understanding for “God”/”a god” about the same time the NT was written. – See the LOGOS study.

And the earliest Christians like the highly respected NT scholar Origen and others – – including Tertullian; Justin Martyr; Hippolytus; Clement of Alexandria; Theophilus; the writer of “The Epistle to Diognetus”; and even super-Trinitarians St. Athanasius and St. Augustine – – also had this understanding for “a god.” And, as we saw above, many respected NT scholars of this century agree.

– See the ‘God and gods’ study.

To Be Continued

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C.

John 1:1 in NT Greek (cont.):

But, you may ask, Isn’t there a significance to the reversed word order in the Greek (‘god was the word’) which is, in English, ‘the word was god.’?

If you will examine a good NT interlinear, you will find that word order is basically meaningless.

NT Greek authorities, Dr. Alfred Marshall and Prof. J. Gresham Machen tell us in their NT Greek primers that, unlike English, NT Greek does not use word order to convey meanings but instead uses the individual endings on each word (inflections).  

“The English translation must be determined by observing the [Greek word] endings, not by observing the [word] order.”  – New Testament Greek for Beginners, Machen, p. 27.  (cf. New Testament Greek Primer, Marshall, pp. 7, 22  and A. T. Robertson, Grammar, p. 417.)  [Emphasis added]

And in a later example illustrating predicate nouns Prof. Machen gave this example: “ho apostolos anthropos estin [word for word translation: ‘the apostle man is’],” and he translated that sentence (which has an anarthrous predicate count noun preceding the verb as in John 1:1c) as “the apostle is a man.” – p. 50, New Testament Greek For Beginners, The Macmillan Company, 1951.  Notice the addition of the English indefinite article (‘a’).  

We also find that respected Trinitarian scholar the Rev. Alfred Marshall translates phoneus esti (literally, ‘murderer he is’) as “He is a murderer.” – pp. 44 and 153, New Testament Greek Primer, Zondervan Publ., 1962.  And John H. Dobson in his Learn New Testament Greek, p. 64, translates prophetes estin (literally, ‘prophet he is’) as “He is a prophet.” – Baker Book House, 1988.

But, since the actual grammar used by John (and all the other Gospel writers) shows John 1:1c to be properly translated as “and the Word was a god,” some Trinitarians attempted to make this perfectly ordinary NT Greek word order into something else.  

In 1933, Colwell proposed that the word order could make the definite article understood!  This way the understood ho (‘the’) could make Jn 1:1c say “and the word was [the] god.”  And, as we have already found, ho theos (‘the god’) always indicates “God” in English translation for John’s writing.

This need by some trinitarians for a new ‘rule’ is a further admission that theos by itself doesn’t mean “God” in the Gospel of John.

Another new ‘rule’ concerning the word order of John 1:1c has been proposed to make the Word of the 'same essence' as God.  These ‘Qualitative’ rules are like Colwell’s rule above except they don’t allow for an understood article (ho) before theos.  They say that the word order makes theos ‘qualitative.’

The same method of examining all proper examples that are parallel to John 1:1c in John proves both modern inventions to be wrong.

To Be Continued

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D.

John 1:1 in NT Greek (cont.):

It’s been many years since I looked up all the clauses in John’s writing which had predicate nouns (also called predicate nominatives).  Then I made a list of all of them which are parallel to John 1:1c (predicate noun coming before the verb).  I didn’t have a computer then and had to use a concordance and an interlinear NT Bible.  Then I typed it all up into a 50-page study.  Now it’s on my computer and even on some internet sites.

In addition to examining in detail the steps we’ve looked at already, there is a comprehensive listing of the parallel constructions.  When the exceptions (non-count nouns, abstracts, personal and proper names, prepositional modifiers, etc.) are sorted out, we find the following passages to be the only proper examples which are completely parallel to John 1:1c.

Here, then, are all the proper examples (truly comparable to Jn 1:1c) from the writings of John (W and H text) for an honest examination of “Colwell’s Rule” (or any related rules, including Harner’s “qualitative” rule, concerning the simple, unmodified anarthrous (without the definite article) predicate count noun coming before the verb):

H,W     1. John  4:19 – (“a prophet”) – all Bible translations
H,W     2. John  8:48 – (“a Samaritan”) – all translations
H,W     3. John 18:37 (a) – (“a king”) – all
[H,W    4. John 18:37 (b) – (“a king”) – in Received Text and in 1991 Byzantine Text]

                H:  Also found in Harner’s list of “Colwell Constructions”
               W:  Also found in Wallace’s list of “Colwell Constructions”

These are all indefinite nouns.  All modern trinitarian Bible translations I have examined render them as indefinite!

If we wish to supply more examples, we must include some which are slightly less perfect than these three (or four).  The best we can do is to include all those constructions (W and H text) which comply with the other qualifications above but which, unlike Jn 1:1c, have the subject before the verb also.  Since trinitarian scholars themselves include such examples, they should not object if we also include all such examples.

When we add those constructions to our list, we have:
H          1. John   4:9 (a) – indefinite (“a Jew”) – all translations
H,W     2. John   4:19 – indefinite (“a prophet”) – all
H,W     3. John   6:70 – indefinite (“a devil”/“a slanderer”) – all
H,W     4.  John  8:44 – indefinite (“a murderer”/“a manslayer”) – all
H,W     5. John   8:48 – indefinite (“a Samaritan”) – all
H,W     6. John   9:24 – indefinite (“a sinner”) – all
H,W     7. John 10:1  – indefinite (“a thief and a plunderer”) – all
H,W     8. John 10:33 – indefinite (“a man”) – all
H,W     9. John 18:35 – indefinite (“a Jew”) – all
H,W   10. John 18:37 (a) – indefinite (“a king”) – all
[H,W   11. John 18:37 (b) – indefinite (“a king”) – in Received Text and in 1991 Byzantine Text]  

These are all indefinite nouns (not definite, not “qualitative”).  All trinitarian Bible translations I have examined render them as indefinite!  We should have enough examples to satisfy the most critical (but honest) scholar now.  (And I wouldn’t strongly resist the use of the “no subject” examples which clearly intend the subject as being a pronoun included with the verb, e.g., “[he] is,” which would then bring our total of proper examples to around 20.)

To Be Continued

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E.

John 1:1 in NT Greek (cont.):

The above posts show that word order (predicate noun before the verb as found in the NT Greek of John 1:1c) does not change the meaning to an understood article (“the”) as Colwell’s Rule suggests or to some nebulous ‘qualitative’ meaning as some other trinitarian scholars insist.

Pay particular attention to two of the verses found in our list in D. above: John 6:70 and John 10:1.

John 6:70 “Jesus answered them…. and one of you [Judas] is a devil.” – KJV.  Greek word order: “out of you one devil is.”

“One who sins belongs to the devil, like Cain (1 Jn 3:8, 12); or he is a devil himself, like Judas, the betrayer (Jn 6:70). …. Jesus’ enemies are called children [and sons] of the devil, i.e. those who share his nature and behavior (Jn 8:44) [Acts 13:10; 1 Jn 3:10].” – p. 472, vol. 3, The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, 1986, Zondervan.

So a man who is from [literally “out of,” ek] the Devil (1 Jn 3:8), and is a ‘son of the Devil’ (Acts 13:10), and who is “with the Devil (whether physically or figuratively) may also be called “a devil” (Jn 6:70)!  

So Judas, for example, could be described in NT terms:  “Judas was with ho diabolos [the Devil], and diabolos was Judas.”  And no matter how anyone wants to interpret it, it would be incredibly wrong to insist (as many trinitarians do about Jn 1:1c) that this meant Judas was literally, equally the Devil himself!

 Whether you translate it literally (“Judas was with the Devil, and Judas was a devil”) or ‘qualitatively’ (“Judas was with the Devil, and Judas had the ‘nature’ of the Devil”), it would mean essentially the same thing: Judas simply shared to some degree some (or one) of the qualities of the Devil, but he is not equally the Devil with Satan himself!  No reasonable person would accept this as evidence for some mysterious ‘Satanity’!  Compare this with John 1:1c.

John 10:1  John 10:1 has this word order: “that (one) thief is and robber” [the first predicate noun is before the verb and the second is after the verb!].  This is always translated as, “that one [or ‘he’] is a thief and a robber” (both indefinite!). It is never rendered, “that one is the Thief and a robber” [Colwell].  And it is never “qualitatively” rendered as “that one has the full essence of thiefness and is a robber.”

The word order does not change the meaning.  The predicate noun is still indefinite.

To Be Continued

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F.

John 1:1 in NT Greek (cont.):

Origen, the great Christian scholar (185 – 254 A.D.), spoke Koine Greek as his native language and knew it so well that he even taught it professionally.  He was “probably the most accomplished Biblical scholar produced by the early Church” (Universal Standard Encyclopedia) and “the greatest scholar and most prolific author of the early church. … not only a profound thinker but also deeply spiritual and a loyal churchman.” (The History of Christianity, p. 107, a Lion Book, 1990).  He certainly knew the Greek used by the NT writers better than any other scholar since.

In his Commentary on John, Origen explained that John 1:1c meant that the Word was not equal to the only true God, the Father,  the God (ho theos) but was, instead, theos without the article as are many others who are close to God.

“And thus the first-born of all creation, who is the first to be with God, and to attract to Himself divinity, is a being of more exalted rank than the other gods [angels] beside Him, of whom God is the God” – Origen’s Commentary on the Gospel of John Book 2, Chapter 2.

Furthermore, some of the very earliest translations of John were into the Coptic language of Egypt. This was at a time when Koine Greek was still the common language of the Mediterranean area and well-understood by translators of the time.

This Coptic language did have the indefinite article (“a” in English) and existing early copies of the Coptic manuscripts use that indefinite article at John 1:1c – “the Word was a god.” –  http://nwtandcoptic.blogspot.com/  

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Even some noted Trinitarian scholars are forced to admit that John 1:1c in NT Greek may be literally translated as “the Word was a god”!   This includes:

W. E. Vine (An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words);

Dr. C. H. Dodd (director of the New English Bible project);

Murray J. Harris (Jesus as God);

Dr. Robert Young (Young’s Analytical Concordance, Young’s Literal Translation of the Holy Bible, etc.).

Of course, being trinitarians, they often insist that the correct interpretation of such a literal translation must be, somehow, trinitarian in spite of the actual literal meaning.

To Be Continued

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G.

John 1:1 in NT Greek (cont.):

The Word (ho Logos)

A few trinitarians actually attempt to “prove” that John 1:1c should be translated as “and the Word [Logos] was God” rather than “and the Word [Logos] was a  god” by appealing to one of the strictly pagan concepts of “The Logos”!  

But, as we will see, what it all boils down to (and some of the most authoritative Trinitarian sources agree) is this: either the Gospel of John (written around 90 A.D.) truly reflects John’s Jewish background and the teaching of Jesus and the first century Christians (the “primitive” Church) or it reflects popular pagan Greek philosophies of the time and is, therefore, “a work of imagination, a theological romance of a type not unparalleled in [pagan Greek] literature.”  If it were the latter, of course, it wouldn’t matter what Jn 1:1c says anyway, since it would certainly not be the inspired word of God.  If it is the former, all the best evidence (as a number of trinitarian authorities themselves admit) proves John is basing his Logos [‘Word’] concept on that of the Jewish teaching of Philo.

Philo (who lived about 20 B.C. – 50 A.D.), the best-known, most-respected Hellenistic Jewish theologian by those living in the first and second centuries, clearly and repeatedly taught that the Logos is a god (one lesser than God) and frequently showed this in his writing by using theos (θεος) without the definite article (“a god”) to refer to the Logos but used theos with the definite article ho theos  ὁ θεος) when referring to God.

 Since John obviously based most of his Logos statements on Philo’s concept, we would expect him to use theos without the article (“a god”) to refer to the Logos.  And that is exactly what he did at John 1:1c!  

“The outstanding Alexandrian Jew [‘the chief representative of Alexandrian Judaism’ –  J. B. Lightfoot’s commentary: Epistle to the Philippians, p. 130] is, of course, Philo Judaeus (20 B.C.-A.D. 50). …. It has been said rightly that the history of Christian philosophy ‘began not with a Christian but a Jew,’ namely Philo of Alexandria.” – p. 35, The Rise of Christianity, W. H. C. Frend (trinitarian), 1985, Fortress Press.

“Philo, the famous Jewish philosopher, …. is the most important example of the Hellenized Jews outside Palestine… he believed wholly in the Mosaic scriptures and in one God whose chief mediator with the world is the Logos” – Philo, vol. 5, Loeb Classical Library, Harvard University Press, 1988.

Philo also (unlike the pagan Greek Stoic philosophers) “gives the Logos the titles of Son of God [John 1:34], paraclete [‘Comforter,’ ‘Advocate,’ ‘Helper’ – 1 John 2:1], and mediator between God and man [1 Tim. 2:5].”  – Americana, 1957, v. 21, pp. 766, 767.

Philo also:
“differentiates the Logos from God as his work or image [2 Cor. 4:4].”  Philo’s Logos is also “first-born son [Ro. 8:29]….divine [a god – Jn 1:1] but not God, is with God [Jn 1:1], is light [Jn 1:4],…manna [Jn 6:31-51],…and shepherd [Jn 10:11].” – Encyclopaedia Britannica, p. 251, vol. 14, 1968.  (Cf. Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, vol. 8, p. 135.)

And,

“Philo describes the Logos in terms which often bear striking resemblance to NT descriptions of Christ …. Philo distinguishes God as the cause by which [and]…, the Logos as that through which (di’ hou),… the cosmos originated” [Jn 1:3; 1 Cor. 8:6] and “even as θεος [‘a god’] in a subordinate sense” [Jn 1:1] and one “from which drawing water one may find eternal life instead of death [Jn 4:14].” – A Dictionary of the Bible, p. 135, vol. 3, Hastings, ed., Hendrickson Publ., 1988 printing.

In fact, Philo even said that
“the Logos is the eldest son [first-born or created] of God.” [Ro. 8:29] – The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology (trinitarian), p. 639, vol. 3 (also vol. 1, p. 178), 1986, Zondervan.

“Philo of course conceives of the Logos – which he occasionally calls divine (theos) [literally, ‘a god’], but never ‘God’ (ho theos)  – as the highest angel and as the highest idea at the same time….” – p. 126, John 1, Haenchen, Fortress Press, 1984.

After discussing all other trinitarian-proposed origins of John’s concept of the Logos (including, of course, those of the Stoics; the OT Wisdom concept; etc.) and rejecting them all, a highly-respected trinitarian work concludes:
 
“In the question of the origin of the Logos-concept [by John], pre-eminent significance is therefore to be attributed to Hellenistic Judaism [Philo].”  – p. 1117, vol. 3, The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, 1986, Zondervan.

Even the famed Hastings’ Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics tells us that John must be referring to Philo’s conception of the Logos:
 
“It is clear from the tone of the Prologue [John 1:1-18] that Philo’s conception of the Logos, or something akin to it, was already familiar to those for whom the Evangelist [John] wrote.  No explanation of the word Logos is given [anywhere in the entire Gospel]; and almost every verse in this Prologue might be paralleled from Philo [and only Philo].” – p. 136, vol. 8.

And if John were writing to a group of the “many … Hellenistic Jews” who had become a part of the Church (or who were at least interested in Christianity), there would be no need to explain the Logos concept which they were already very familiar with from Philo’s Hellenistic Judaism.  (The lack of any explanation of his Logos concept by John has been very troubling to many students of the Prologue of the Gospel of John.)  And that concept is that the Logos (although the second highest power in the universe, the Son of God, the Mediator between God and Man, the one through whom God created all things) is an intermediate entity who is not the Most High God but is ‘a god’!

The above are excerpts from my ‘Logos (the Word)’ study – http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009/09/logos-word.html

For a deeper study of John 1:1c:

Examining Colwell’s definite rule:
http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009/09/definite-john-11c.html

Examining Harner’s “Qualitative” rule:
http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2009….12.html

The End

[Wakeup]

Tigger2.

What exactly are you trying to explain? Or explain away?
Do we all have to become a greek and hebrew dictionary
to find the truth?

Can the truth be found in Babylon?
Or is it in Zion? The spiritually Holy city of God.
Is not the *HS* suppose to be our teacher?

Why do we have to play harlot by going to; and depending on; babylon. The scribes of Babylon are antichrists.
And you are feeding on them.
Why?

wakeup.

[tigger2]

Wakeup, if you have a specific question about something I have written in my study above, please ask it.

I believe the lessons are self-explanatory, but I will answer replies which are specific to what I have written.

[Wakeup]

Quote (tigger2 @ Feb. 27 2014,06:34)

Wakeup, if you have a specific question about something I have written in my study above, please ask it. I believe the lessons are self-explanatory, but I will answer replies which are specific to what I have written.

Tigger2.

What exactly do you believe?

Was Jesus Micha'el the arc angel;
Or what?
Can you explain?
You seem to depend much on mens writings.

wakeup.

[tigger2]

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What exactly do you believe?

I believe you are avoiding my '7 Lessons' study posted above.

[Wakeup]

Quote (tigger2 @ Feb. 27 2014,10:06)

Quote What exactly do you believe? I believe you are avoiding my '7 Lessons' study posted above.

Tigger2.

After your seven lessons.
What exactly do you believe?
It is not a hard question.

wakeup.

[tigger]

Clearly, I believe (know) that John 1:1c is properly translated as “and the Word was a god.”

If you have any questions about the necessity for this translation as carefully examined in the first 5 Lessons (A-E) above, please ask.  I suggest you start with the first lesson only (A) and continue with it until any and all questions you may have are answered by me.  Then continue on to lesson B, etc.

[NickHassan]

Hi Tigger,

Are you the author?

 

 

[tigger]

“Hi Tigger,

“Are you the author?”

 

Yes, I Am.

[NickHassan]

Hi Tigger,

Though there be many gods…. for us there is one God, the Father.

 

[tigger]

Very true, Nick.  The only Most High God is the Father (John 17:3).  But if you will examine lesson B above, you will find that, although there is only one person who is God (the Father alone, Jehovah alone), other persons were called gods or a god in scripture.  And many of these were not false gods, but persons whom God had assigned to various duties (kings, judges, etc.).

[Ed J]

The only Most High God is the Father (John 17:3).

Hi Tigger,

Do you believe this verse is true?

And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW THEE the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:3)

The verse is saying: Eternal life is knowing JEHOVAH and Jesus Christ whom he has sent – do you agree?

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God bless
Ed J

[Miia]

Hi Tigger,

Are you a Jehovah’s Witness/ ex Jehovah’s Witness or do you/ have you studied with the Jehovah’s Witnesses?

Clearly, I believe (know) that John 1:1c is properly translated as “and the Word was a god.”

How can you Know that?
The ‘a’ was not in the original text.
The Holy Spirit does not add the ‘a’.
Man adds the ‘a’.

Not wanting to argue about this just giving my opinion.

[NickHassan]

Hi Tigger,

SO CALLED gods.

But for US there is one God, the Father.

Are you one of US

[Author]

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