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Quote (Irene @ July 17 2008,17:59) Hi Nick
God is just to every one, some may call it a second chance, to others who have never heard the name Jesus it will be the first chance, and only chance.
During the thousand year reign of Christ, he will teach, judge, all man, and only those who refuse to listen will suffer eternal consequences.Georg
During the millinium the saints will be in heaven, only the dead will occupy the earth.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2008,18:17) Hi GB,
There are many who have lived and are buried who will not be raised till the end of that time at the judgement. They have had their chance and can hope only for the mercy of God to the merciful or to be found in some other way saved by God's soveriegn choice. We cannot add our own ideas to scripture to show how we think God would act to be fair.
Those who have heard will be judged by that hearing.Those who have not heard will be judged by there heart.
Those who have the law will be judged by the law.
It is all written.
Don't write more into it.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 17 2008,21:15) Nick…….show me one thing i said that i added my own ideas to what scripture plainly said, I quoted scripture just as it says. God Will do what he wants to do with or without you permission.
Who are you to say what he will do, I only quoted Scripture that showed He mercy and love for His creation (all of it) and if He is (NOT WILLING) that any PARISH< Who are you to try to disprove that, if you cant stand that then tough. You don't tell God what, when, or how ,He will do what he wants to little man, You are on dangerous ground Nick.
He is not willing that any “should” perish, but it does “not” mean many won't perish.Con………Scripture says whosoever will call on the Name of the LORD (WILL) be saved. GOD also said His WILL will be done. Jesus even said thy kingdom come thy Will be done in earth as it is in Heaven. Another scripture says GOD is the SAVIOR of all men. I don't recall seeing any scripture that say many will Perish, or any have Perished yet. Not saying none are not going to Perish, just don't recall any scripture that say any have yet. All things are Possible with GOD. He said he looked for (ONE) righteous Man but found NONE so he took it upon his own arm to BRING SALVATION. Man may have more going for him then he realizes. Not because who man is but because who GOD is. IMO
peace and love to you and your………………………….gene
To All………> Does GOD give second chances, YES , Hundreds of chances and never ceases to give them to all. His mercy (NEVER) Fails. He is the GOD of Mercy. “For Mercy wrestles against Judgment”. If he did not have mercy, all of us would have Perished long ago. IMO
peace and love to you all……………….gene
hi
it seems to me you are fighting to sell tickets for the ones going to heaven,and what are the condition.
Somewere in the scriptures it talk abode the person who by nature accomplish the law Of God ,and it does not meant the rwitten law ,but the of the heart.would he not be saved?Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 03 2009,13:42) Quote (Irene @ July 17 2008,17:59) Hi Nick
God is just to every one, some may call it a second chance, to others who have never heard the name Jesus it will be the first chance, and only chance.
During the thousand year reign of Christ, he will teach, judge, all man, and only those who refuse to listen will suffer eternal consequences.Georg
During the millinium the saints will be in heaven, only the dead will occupy the earth.
ConstYou forgot to show the scripture that says, any one goes to heaven>
Georg
Quote (Gene @ Dec. 03 2009,14:17) Con………Scripture says whosoever will call on the Name of the LORD (WILL) be saved. GOD also said His WILL will be done. Jesus even said thy kingdom come thy Will be done in earth as it is in Heaven. Another scripture says GOD is the SAVIOR of all men. I don't recall seeing any scripture that say many will Perish, or any have Perished yet. Not saying none are not going to Perish, just don't recall any scripture that say any have yet. All things are Possible with GOD. He said he looked for (ONE) righteous Man but found NONE so he took it upon his own arm to BRING SALVATION. Man may have more going for him then he realizes. Not because who man is but because who GOD is. IMO peace and love to you and your………………………….gene
GeneI agree with you this time.
Georg
Quote I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Luke 13:3, 13:5 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you. Act 13:41
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; Romans 2:12
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of 'elohim. 1Corinthians 1:18
Which all are to perish with the using; after the commandments and doctrines of men? Colossians 2:22
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thessalonians 2:10
They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; Hebrews 1:11
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 2Peter 2:12
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2Peter 3:9
Quote To All………> Does GOD give second chances, YES , Hundreds of chances and never ceases to give them to all. His mercy (NEVER) Fails. He is the GOD of Mercy. “For Mercy wrestles against Judgment”. If he did not have mercy, all of us would have Perished long ago. IMO peace and love to you all……………….gene
Yes you have a chance to repent every single day while you yet breath, but when you die your fate is sealed.
Quote For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. Psalm 1:6 When mine enemies are turned back, they shall fall and perish at thy presence. Psalm 9:3
But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD [shall be] as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away. Psalm 37:20
As smoke is driven away, [so] drive [them] away: as wax melteth before the fire, [so] let the wicked perish at the presence of 'elohim. Psalm 68:2
[It is] burned with fire, [it is] cut down: they perish at the rebuke of thy countenance. Psalm 80:16
For, lo, thine enemies, O LORD, for, lo, thine enemies shall perish; all the workers of iniquity shall be scattered. Psalm 92:9
The wicked shall see [it], and be grieved; he shall gnash with his teeth, and melt away: the desire of the wicked shall perish. Psalm 112:10
Quote A false witness shall not be unpunished, and [he that] speaketh lies shall perish. Proverbs 19:9 Con……….The words you used simpling mean to Die, and all heave sinned and all die, Except Jesus. Parish is what happens when we die . Notice in what you quotes it says the (WAY) of the wicked will Parish does it say He will? What about David saying Blessed is the man whom the LORD will impute no iniquity and whose sins He has covered. The fire is the Judgment of GOD, Paul said every mans work shall be tried (BY FIRE), if he has built with gold silver or precious stones he shall recieve a reward, if he has built with straw, hay or stubble, it shall be burned up and He suffer lose, (YET) He (Shall Be SAVED) YET AS (BY) FIRE. All Man kind is evil to one degree or another, Jesus even said if YOU (BEING EVIL) , KNOW HOW TO GIVE GIFTS, HOW MUCH MORE WILL YOU HEAVENLY FATHER GIVE THEM OF THE SPIRIT THAT ASK . The FIRE Judgements of GOD does indeed burn away the dross, in our charter and purifies us. “Brethern now concerning this (FIERY) trial which has tried you as if some strange thing has happened unto you”.
Most all of man kind have died sinners, even King David told Solomon to Kill Joab and another man just before he died. He also was a Murder and and fornicating Adulterer, as scripture shows. But GOD did punish him for his sins, now did David Parish or will he be resurrected and given eternal life. GOD also said DAVID was a Bloody Man. WE may parish in one state (physical) but live in another state (Spiritual) .
If we go by you assumption that this is the (ONLY) Chance we have then GOD will Have to KILL over (90%) of all he has created because only a (FEW) are chosen at this time. Judgment begins at the House of GOD (that is the fiery trial) All have sinned all are sinners, God will change his decisions upon repentance on anyone at any time now or in the future. The one chance repentance doctrine is a false teaching, of fear mongers. GOD is always read to forgive upon repentance for eternity that is His nature in fact He is more willing to forgive us then we wanting to repent. GOD IS LOVE, or no one would make it, not even you. Con a study on the word PARISH and what is means would help us all. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
OUT AND THROUGH AND FOR.
WHAT DISTINGUISHES our position from that of many others is briefly summed up in a single passage of scripture, one of the simplest, yet by far the most comprehensive in the Word of God. It is this: “out of Him and through Him and for Him is all . . .” (Rom.11:36). We find the source of everything in God, the course of everything is according to His will, and He is the goal of all. The realization of this sublime truth gives comfort and stability and satisfaction, but above all it glorifies God and His Christ.
All Scripture (when properly translated) is in full accord with this majestic summary of God’s course with His creatures. While this truth is so simple, it solves almost all of those knotty problems of theology which make the Bible so hard to understand for many people. If those new to these things will have a little patient perseverance they will be rewarded with such a grand and glorious conception of God and His purpose and grace as will turn their theological gropings into the brightness of the noonday sun, and will not only illumine the glory of God, but the lives of those who step out of the shadows into His marvelous light.copied from Concordant Publishing Concern.
Blessings
OUT OF WHOM ALL IS.
THAT all is out of God is the basic truth of divine revelation, yet who believes it? Almost all, even men who stand fearlessly for other truths, cannot break the bands of tradition, to acknowledge that evil as well as good is out of Him. The sad effect is that, not being able to glorify Him as God, they become vain in their reasonings, in their attempt to spare God the onus of evil. Almost all translators and expositors do their best to expunge this great truth from the Scriptures, so it seldom is allowed to reach our ears. When God says,
See now that I, I am He!
And there are no other elohim beside Me.
I Myself put to death, and I keep alive.
I have transfixed, and I Myself shall heal. (Deut.32:39)We listen politely, but do not think of believing what He says. God, we say, allows, permits, bears with evil, but of course He never began it! We are like the heathen, who usually have at least two gods, one good (whom we do not need to regard very seriously) and one evil (who is dangerous and needs to be propitiated). Yahweh Elohim Himself says:
I am Yahweh, and there is no other;
Except for Me, there is no Elohim . . . .
Former of light and Creator of darkness,
Maker of good and Creator of evil,
I, Yahweh, make all these. (Isa.45:5,7)The most incredible explanations are offered to keep us from the fundamental of all fundamentals, that there is only one God. Satan is usually made the creator of evil. How foolish to flatly oppose God’s own words, and give His deity to another! Thanks be to Him that He alone is the Source of all, and has control of all, for only so could He bring His creation to its glorious goal! Let us revel in one God, the Father out of Whom all is, even the evil which He will transmute into glory for Himself and blessing for His creatures!
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Hi CO,
God's course with His creatures includes consigning the ones who belong to the evil one to the fire.THANKING GOD.
WE HAVE the precious privilege of giving thanks at all times and for all things: not for good things only, but for apparently bad things; not in seasons of prosperity alone, but when all seems dark and dismal, even “when all further expectation of being saved” (cp Acts 27:20), seems taken from us. All things, whatever their appearance, are cooperating for our welfare, and the keener our realization of God’s supervising care and control, the more ready we are to rejoice, even in the midst of sorrow and suffering.
It is not the mission of this little magazine merely to teach the truth, but to put our readers into the most intimate relations with God, Who is Truth.
It is possible to talk about the omnipotence, omnipresence and immanence of the Deity, yet deny them in thought and action. The apostle Paul wished to attain, in his experience, to the resurrection life. So it is our privilege, not only to see the grand vision of God’s ultimate, but to allow its rays to illumine our lives even now.
Unless God retains the reins of the universe in His hands today, He can never guide it to the goal. And, since He controls all and cares for His own, we must not only trust, we may not merely acquiesce, we should tune our hearts to continual thanksgiving, unphrased, inaudible perhaps, but grateful to the heart of God.Copied from Concordant Publishing Concern.
Blessings.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 04 2009,06:38) Hi CO,
God's course with His creatures includes consigning the ones who belong to the evil one to the fire.
NH.
Only during that eon. At the “consummation” God will be “All in all”.Blessings.
Hi CO,
THEM?
God is one.
What will become of the godless?
You should follow Paul SEEKING and working out his given salvation in fear and trembling.1 Cor.15:22-28.
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)
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