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Quote (Cindy @ May 17 2009,07:17) lineon Think about it, how can any one be judged by their works before they get to know Jesus?
In Mat. 8:22, Jesus said, “let the dead bury the dead”. How can you expect the resurrected dead to except Jesus? Jesus who? he did what? save me from what? Don't you think they would first have to learn who Jesus is, and what he did, and that he can save them from the second death?
How many millions of people have died before Jesus was born, and how many more millions have died since, that have no clue who Jesus was?
Which of all the religions would you say has the truth? which of all the denominations? We are not given eternal life for good intentions. We all have to first know the truth, before we can believe it.
God said, he did not sent his son to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.
This period of the gospel is not the time for Jesus to save the world, it is the time for the elect to be chosen, those that will rule and reign with Christ when he will teach the world; and that will be the millennium.
As Paul said, all will be resurrected, but all their own order, in other words, not all at noce. It is when the dead are resurrected, that they will learn all about Jesus, it is then when the books are written, those that listen and obey the teachings will have their name written in the book of life.
The dead will be judged according to their works, they are considered dead because they did not hear, listened to, and obeyed that prophet, Acts 3:23, their names are not found in the book of life.Georg
GeorgThink about it; some people have only heard the name Jesus Christ and when the preacher or someone asks them 'do you accept Jesus as you personal savior' and they answer 'yes'.
After they have accepted Christ then they will learn what Christ will do for them.
In this age it is done on a small scale.When the last judgment comes about the whole setting will be different and awe-inspiring.
Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and the one who sits on it. Earth and heaven fled from his presence and were seen no more.
Our Lord will judge us with no heaven or earth in sight.
The atmosphere will be electric and we will know that we
are to be judged by a God of awesome power
We will know that He is greater than life itself
We will be so inspired by His presence that when He
asks us 'will you be my servant' we have to answer 'yes'.There will be humans who will answer 'no' and they will die.
I do not think our Lord is as complicated as revelation makes Him out to be.
Of course I may be wrong.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke and put it on you, and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in spirit; and you will find rest.
Lineon
lineon
Have you ever wondered what is meant by, “earth and heaven fled from his presence and were seen no more”? It is not our planet earth, and it is not heaven above what is meant by it.
By “earth”, our governments, our society's, our very ways of life, everything that we have build for us, will disappear.
By heaven, all of our different religions, believes, and denominations, will disappear.
Jesus will make all thinks new; he will create a new earth, a new way of life, a new way of living, the way God had intended it for us.
Jesus will create new heavens, churches, that will teach nothing but the truth, no more guessing who is teaching the truth, and no more wondering if it is the truth.
Peter told us about that.2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.Notice, it says earth, and “heavens”, as in more than one.
Elements: the natural or fitting environment for a person.Georg
Hi Georg
I did actually wonder about that phrase and I am still thinking about that phrase.
The way you interrupt 'earth and heaven' does not make sense to me, I'll have to think about it.You say earth = governments
heaven = religionI can say earth = Turkey
heaven = MuslimI am sure people on heaven.net can find some other meaning to 'earth and heaven'.
lineon
Is it the earth that needs to be changed, made new, or is it the people on the earth?
What is heaven? Jesus said, heaven is God's throne, or better put; God's throne is in heaven. It is the place of all authority, why would you think heaven has to be made new?
Heavens on earth are places of religious authority, churches. There is plenty wrong with these heavens, that they need to be made new.Ps, have you been back to the seven trumpets again?
Georg
Hi,
The myth of a second chance to repent and be saved after death seems to be from Armstrongism [Worldwide church of God].Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,07:01) Hi,
The myth of a second chance to repent and be saved after death seems to be from Armstrongism [Worldwide church of God].
Doesn't the Catholic Church also believe in praying people out of purgatory or something like that?The son of the bondwoman SHALL NOT BE HEIR with the son of the freewoman.
Ga 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. (this is speaking to the people of faith, Christians)
Ga 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Ga 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.Hi Eve,
Yes .
It knows only guilt and cannot grasp forgiveness so invented purgatory.
He own farfetched inventions matter far more to her than the Scriptures she should be based on .TO ALL………Where does the word CHANCE appear in scripture. Where does it say you are given a first CHANCE at SALVATION AT. I read we can't even go to Jesus unless THE FATHER draws US. If we are saved by GRACE and that NOT of ourselves , where does CHANCE come at. Is He that starts a WORK in US UNABLE to COMPLETE IT? Is GOD'S power to save so weak it depends of Puny Flesh to accomplish for our selves. Are we to have real FAITH in GOD'S Power to save us or are we to think we save ourselves?
peace and love to you all………………………….gene
NIck………none of those show a chance , it simply say whosoever believes may have eternal life , But who is he that believes < (ONLY those whom GOD the /FATHER brings to Jesus , that has nothing to do with a (CHANCE) God does not take Chances NICK, He knows exactly what He is doing and HOW to get it done, a mans salvation is not in his own Hands. Without GOD the FATHER there is (NO) Chance of any salvation whatsoever. He has never placed salvation in the hands of Man. IMO
peace and love………………………………gene
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 07 2009,17:00) NIck………none of those show a chance , it simply say whosoever believes may have eternal life , But who is he that believes < (ONLY those whom GOD the /FATHER brings to Jesus , that has nothing to do with a (CHANCE) God does not take Chances NICK, He knows exactly what He is doing and HOW to get it done, a mans salvation is not in his own Hands. Without GOD the FATHER there is (NO) Chance of any salvation whatsoever. He has never placed salvation in the hands of Man. IMO peace and love………………………………gene
He placed it in the hands of one man, the man Jesus. Our salvation was in the hands of Jesus, who was a man until he was resureccted the firstborn of all the Saints. He could have called for legions of angels but he did not. He always did the will of the Father.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,07:01) Hi,
The myth of a second chance to repent and be saved after death seems to be from Armstrongism [Worldwide church of God].
NickWho is talking about a second chance? if people die in ignorance, and false understanding, not to mention all those who have never heard of Jesus, do you call that a first chance?
What if what you believe turns out wrong, would that be your first chance?
If all churches have the truth, why are there so many different denominations? not to mention the many different religion.
You think you have the truth, is everybody agreeing with you?
Only when Jesus will teach the world will we have truth, Is. 10:9. There will then be no denominations, there will only be one church of God led by Jesus Christ.Georg
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 08 2009,15:40) Hi,
I am surprized how this nonbiblical idea remains popular
NickYou are such an enlightened individual.
Why not reply with a “TOPICAL”?
Georg
Quote (Cindy @ Sep. 08 2009,04:16) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,07:01) Hi,
The myth of a second chance to repent and be saved after death seems to be from Armstrongism [Worldwide church of God].
NickWho is talking about a second chance? if people die in ignorance, and false understanding, not to mention all those who have never heard of Jesus, do you call that a first chance?
What if what you believe turns out wrong, would that be your first chance?
If all churches have the truth, why are there so many different denominations? not to mention the many different religion.
You think you have the truth, is everybody agreeing with you?
Only when Jesus will teach the world will we have truth, Is. 10:9. There will then be no denominations, there will only be one church of God led by Jesus Christ.Georg
Jesus has aready taught the world. That is why he gave us the apostles and the bible. If they won't listen to Jesus and the apostles, now, what makes you think they will do it later?eveh………I saw the lord descending from mount paron with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgement on the earth and to convince all the ungodly of there ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed. Now why do that if they are just going to be thrown into a lake of fire and burned up why waste there time. Let there own so-called free /wills decide there fate. GOD and Jesus and the Saints are in the saving business not the destroying business. IMO
peace and love……………….gene
Quote (Gene @ Sep. 09 2009,12:21) eveh………I saw the lord descending from mount paron with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgement on the earth and to convince all the ungodly of there ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed. Now why do that if they are just going to be thrown into a lake of fire and burned up why waste there time. Let there own so-called free /wills decide there fate. GOD and Jesus and the Saints are in the saving business not the destroying business. IMO peace and love……………….gene
John 5:28-29 (King James Version)28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Quote (Cindy @ Sep. 08 2009,04:16) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 07 2009,07:01) Hi,
The myth of a second chance to repent and be saved after death seems to be from Armstrongism [Worldwide church of God].
NickWho is talking about a second chance? if people die in ignorance, and false understanding, not to mention all those who have never heard of Jesus, do you call that a first chance?
What if what you believe turns out wrong, would that be your first chance?
If all churches have the truth, why are there so many different denominations? not to mention the many different religion.
You think you have the truth, is everybody agreeing with you?
Only when Jesus will teach the world will we have truth, Is. 10:9. There will then be no denominations, there will only be one church of God led by Jesus Christ.Georg
Hi Georg,
God does not need your help in executing His righteous ways.Quote (eveh @ Sep. 09 2009,16:59) Quote (Gene @ Sep. 09 2009,12:21) eveh………I saw the lord descending from mount paron with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgement on the earth and to convince all the ungodly of there ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed. Now why do that if they are just going to be thrown into a lake of fire and burned up why waste there time. Let there own so-called free /wills decide there fate. GOD and Jesus and the Saints are in the saving business not the destroying business. IMO peace and love……………….gene
John 5:28-29 (King James Version)28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
eveh,……Have you not done good and evil also at times, so i guess you and everyone else who has and does evil will be destroyed in a literial lake of Fire, after all, all have done both. Jesus said (YOU) (being) Evil (existing in an evil state) know how to give good gifts to you children , how much more will GOD give them the SPIRIT that ask. WE are told that we shall all be Judged, but judgement does not equal damnation of a person, even if they have done evil as all have. “for GOD looked for (ONE) righteous person and found (NONE) wherefore He took it on His own arm to bring salvation”. You also ignore what Paul said concerning HIMSELF as i quoted HIM Saying , why did you not commit on it. Lets not ignore what Paul meant when he said He was a wretched Man who still sinned by doing the evil thing he would not do. And what did he mean by saying it was no longer Him who was doing it but sin that dwelt in his body, He also said He considered There was no good in him (for to WILL) was still present in HIM. Not to mention John said if we say we have (NO) sin we are LIARS and the truth is not in us. I am not justifying SIN understand that but by the same token i don't deny it existence in us. WE are save by (GRACE) and that (NOT) of OURSELVES, I believe that. IMOpeace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
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