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Hi Georg,
Just because you cannot understand how any can be saved by following Jesus does not give you the right to design a second chance salvation idea.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 01 2009,06:08) Hi Georg,
Just because you cannot understand how any can be saved by following Jesus does not give you the right to design a second chance salvation idea.Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.Georg
NickodemusYou ask for scripture, I give you scripture, and you call it designing.
I think you don't believe anything, you just here to stir the pot.
How much do you get paid for posting, and keep others posting too?Georg
Hi,
Why do men have to devise things that they think a fair God would do when if the respected Him and His word they would just believe what is written?Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 01 2009,15:13) Strangely enough Georg exactly what you think I am worth.
NickDo you know why the Nick-le is dumber than the dime? the dime has more sense.
Do you know why you can not insult Satan? he thrives on it.
Think about it.Georg
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 02 2009,10:43) Hi georg,
Should we add to scripture to make it more palatable?
NH.
Your “one eternal gospel for all”, is that not adding to scripture? You're trying to make it more 'palatable'?Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 02 2009,06:29) Hi,
It is for men once to die and then the judgement.
No second chance.
NickWhy do you not tell me by what works the dead are judged after the millennium? If in fact by works at all.
Georg
Georg………Good point, if they were just going to be thrown into a literial lake of Fire why Judge them at all, just toss them in. Judgment is for their salvation not to condemn them to eternal Hell FIRE. The smoke whats left from the (fiery judgments), ascend up for ever. in other words is never forgotten for ever by all of humanity. The reason the smoke never stops is because Judgments never stops, and the result of them never does either. These are ongoing eternal lessons. The smoke (learned lessons) ascends up for ever. IMO
peace and love…………………gene
Agreed. The smoke goes up forever, and it is written many times that the wicked shall perish.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”2 Peter 2:12
But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.Luke 13:3
tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.2 Corinthians 4:3
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his powerMark 8:36
What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?Gene and t8
John 3:16, if those that do not believe in the son are punished for ever, does that not require eternal life too?
2 Peter 2:12, destroyed and perish; in your opinion means live for ever?
2 Cor. 4:3, same question.
2 Thes. 1:8+9, punished with everlasting destruction, in your opinion means living and being tortured for all eternity?
Mark 8:36, forfeiting your soul to me means, forfeiting your life.Georg
Quote (Cindy @ May 16 2009,07:40) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 02 2009,06:29) Hi,
It is for men once to die and then the judgement.
No second chance.
NickWhy do you not tell me by what works the dead are judged after the millennium? If in fact by works at all.
Georg
GeorgRevelations is not a very clever book
we have to think for it.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small alike, standing before the throne. Books were opened, and then another book was opened, the book of the living. The dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books.
Our Lord will judge us according to our works, ie if we have done any good in this life of ours.
If He thinks we have done some good He will ask us “do you accept Jesus Christ as your savior?”And we have to answer that question.
If we accept Jesus Christ we have life, if we don't we die.
I cannot think for our Lord, to make sense of this book, that how I think it will be.
Lineon
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Think about it, how can any one be judged by their works before they get to know Jesus?
In Mat. 8:22, Jesus said, “let the dead bury the dead”. How can you expect the resurrected dead to except Jesus? Jesus who? he did what? save me from what? Don't you think they would first have to learn who Jesus is, and what he did, and that he can save them from the second death?
How many millions of people have died before Jesus was born, and how many more millions have died since, that have no clue who Jesus was?
Which of all the religions would you say has the truth? which of all the denominations? We are not given eternal life for good intentions. We all have to first know the truth, before we can believe it.
God said, he did not sent his son to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.
This period of the gospel is not the time for Jesus to save the world, it is the time for the elect to be chosen, those that will rule and reign with Christ when he will teach the world; and that will be the millennium.
As Paul said, all will be resurrected, but all their own order, in other words, not all at noce. It is when the dead are resurrected, that they will learn all about Jesus, it is then when the books are written, those that listen and obey the teachings will have their name written in the book of life.
The dead will be judged according to their works, they are considered dead because they did not hear, listened to, and obeyed that prophet, Acts 3:23, their names are not found in the book of life.Georg
T8……..the soul that sins it shall die, Perish is used many time in place of DIE, and it does not always mean to never again exist, I realize the English word does meant that, but the Hebrew word can mean to die and not necessarily eternally. In the old testament it is used many times not referencing eternal perishing. Scripture says it is appointed for man to die once then after that the Judgment, and it does not say the judgement is a eternal destruction of some kind, except sin will be destroyed. When a person is delievered from sin it is the same as sin perishing from in the person. The judgement of GOd bring this about. IMO
peace and love………………………..gene
Gene, in case you are not aware of the usage of the word perish, there are many verses that say similar with the word “destruction”.
Also the same word perish is used in this verses unrelated to the destruction of the soul.
Colossians 2:21-22 21
21 Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”?
22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.So can we assume that these man-made commands will not be destroyed forever when sin has been deleted? Will they be resurrected back to life for eternity too?
Gene, I can see that you have your own belief system. And I have found that much of what you teach here, is the complete opposite of what is written.
e.g., Instead of Matthew 7:13
Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.You say: Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to non-destruction, and many enter through it.
I could replicate this exercise with hundreds of other scriptures that say the opposite of what you teach.
Another example: Micah 5:2
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”You say: “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from the future (around 6AD).”
Or 2 Thessalonians 2:10
and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.You say: and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They will perish temporarily because they refused to love the truth and so will be saved later on.
I think most are aware of these contradictions and hence is the reason why not many here have agreed with your ways, except perhaps those who were indoctrinated that way before they came here.
Just telling it like it is Gene.
Quote (Cindy @ May 17 2009,15:34) Gene and t8 John 3:16, if those that do not believe in the son are punished for ever, does that not require eternal life too?
2 Peter 2:12, destroyed and perish; in your opinion means live for ever?
2 Cor. 4:3, same question.
2 Thes. 1:8+9, punished with everlasting destruction, in your opinion means living and being tortured for all eternity?
Mark 8:36, forfeiting your soul to me means, forfeiting your life.Georg
Georg.I believe that perish and destruction means exactly what it says. They are not trick words.
If the wicked perish, then that means they will be no more.
If they are destroyed, then they will not be reassembled.
And to say that they will have eternal life in a fire is also wrong because they do not have eternal life.
Destruction is destruction. Plain and simple.
The good news is that we will not be affected by the second death, (the destruction of the soul). God wants to save our souls, but if we reject his salvation, then what will become of our soul?
t8
We don't have a soul, we are a soul; every living being, fish, bird, animal, or human being, are souls.
We are all made of the dust of the ground, and all turn to dust again.
The spirit that Paul talks about that is in us (1 Cor. 2:11), is our mind, that is the image God has created us in; it is what enables us to communicate with God; it is also what sets us apart from the animals. Our brain is where we store all the things we learn, our memory bank, but our mind is what helps us to make sense of it all. When our brain dies, our mind/spirit stops functioning, “it”, in no shape or form lives on.
At our resurrection, God restores our brain with all its memory, and our mind starts to function as before.
You could say, its like turning the electricity off on your computer, and then turning it on again.Georg
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