Scriptures that prove jesus is god…….

[mikeangel]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2010,11:22)

Mike Isa 42:8 “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another Jn 17:1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. this is God and the son render glory to his father. scriptures are truth. Pierre

I will not give my glory to another.

Glorify your Son.

Hmmmmm. Seems you support my view.

Peace-Mark

[mikeangel]

And it never changes. The difference between Jesus and I is I also have a sinful nature, because I was born of man. Jesus was perfect, because he was born of the holy spirit. We are all sinful. Jesus was not, the only man in the history of creation that wasn't. That would be impossible, because he was born of the spirit, and the spirit never changes.

[mikeangel]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2010,11:22) Mike Isa 42:8 “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another Hi Pierre, You're missing the whole point of this thread, I think.  We always go back and forth quoting scriptures that say “Jesus IS God” and “Jesus is NOT God”.  Mark was kind enough to put all the “Jesus IS God” scriptures in one post.  I thought instead of going back and forth, we could actually address these scriptures to show him that NOT ONE of them really says that “Jesus is God”.  But I want to do it ONE at a time, please. His first scripture/point was: Quote God never changes. Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Jesus never changes. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. So all we're discussing right now is whether or not Hebrews 13:8 MUST mean that Jesus is God.   Mark says it speaks of the Spirit of God that was within Jesus – the same Spirit that is also within him.  And if that's the case, then Mark is as much “God” as Jesus is – based ONLY on this scripture, right? Kathi thinks it refers to Jesus' character.  But Jesus was made perfect BECAUSE OF the suffering he went through, so I don't know if his “character” changed in that process or not.  But at any rate, saying someone has the same character “yesterday, today and forever” is a far cry from saying that person is God Almighty, don't you think? peace and love, mike

Jesus was perfect . He was always perfect. He was a spotless, unblemished Lamb of God. He was tested on calvary, and he passed with flying colors. Thank you Jesus. Mark

[mikeangel]

I vote Yes

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 02 2010,11:22) Mike Isa 42:8 “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another Jn 17:1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. this is God and the son render glory to his father. scriptures are truth. Pierre I will not give my glory to another. Glorify your Son. Hmmmmm. Seems you support my view.   Peace-Mark

Mark

“Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.

No,Kathi;glorification of God is done trough his word of truth;

you see all what the prophets have told trough the spirit of Gods word and trough Christ is now (at the Crusification)to be recognize as the true Son and messiah when he will be resurrected.
all will become truth.no lie.
and Kathi the son is glorified by being true to the truth of his father, your therms are of men and lies.

Pierre

[mikeangel]

Father,the time has come.Glorify your Son,that your Son may glorify you.

Isah 42:8 “I am the LORD; that is my name!
I will not give my glory to another

Not lies. How can you call scripture lies? I say their not! He will not give his glory to another, and Jesus is one with the Father. That is why he can be glorified by him. His perfect son, from his spirit, who lived and died perfectly. Amen

[mikeangel]

Piere,

You seem to sure be very judgemental. You have told me I worship in vain, and I lie, yet you profess charity to beggers to be in vain. Do you claim to know everything? Do you have enough authority to go against scripture and pass judgements against me? Am I wrong to state what I personally read out of the bible and feel from the holy spirit? Do you think your ways are better than Gods ways which was to love your enemys and not be so mean all of the time? Do you have any concept of mercy and forgiveness? Please ignore anything I say and get off my donkey. Love- Mark

[mikeboll64]

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Yes,the sprit of God in me is perfect, and pert of God. It is my gift form God for believing in him and his son. I, on the other hand, am not perfect, but the God that is in me is. Peace-Mark

Hi Mark,

Everyone is getting all off topic, and people are talking about many different things.  This is turning into the same thing as all of the other threads – mass confusion.  I didn't want that.  I though I was clear in my first post, but apparently……….

Mark, if you say Hebrews is talking about the Spirit of God in Jesus, and you have that same Spirit in you, then Hebrews doesn't say “Jesus is God” anymore than it says “Mark is God”.

So that scripture does NOT say “Jesus is God”, and I will move on to the next one, okay?

mike

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 03 2010,15:50)

Father,the time has come.Glorify your Son,that your Son may glorify you. Isah 42:8 “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another Not lies. How can you call scripture lies? I say their not! He will not give his glory to another, and Jesus is one with the Father. That is why he can be glorified by him. His perfect son, from his spirit, who lived and died perfectly. Amen

Mark

you should pay more attention to what i write,because it seems you see things i don't even write.

i never say that scriptures lies.

you have hardly followed scriptures so you can be partly blind
and I do not worship Christ as you do,

Pierre

[Baker]

Mike! Jesus is Mighty God while Jehovah is Almighty God. LORD Jehovah God and Lord Jesus…..I worship Almighty God and honor Jesus, because He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Even though LORD is in all capital letters in Rev,19:16 Almighty God is above all….Peace Irene

[mikeboll64]

Mark's second point:

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God is the only Saviour. “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” Isaiah 43:11 To the only wise God our Saviour… Jude 1:12 God our Saviour. Titus 2:10 …we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour. I Timothy 4:10 God my Saviour. Luke 1:47 Jesus is the only Saviour. …the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14 …our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 3:18 …God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 1:1 …the Christ, the Saviour of the world. John 4:42 …the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Titus 1:4 a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. Luke 2:11

Hi Mark, let's look at your first scripture here.  “Besides me, there is no savior”.  That “besides” is the Hebrew word “bil'adey”, which means: apart from, except, without, besides according to Online Bible Study Tools.  

I understand it to mean that apart from God, there can be no savior at all, like it says in the NIV version:

Isaiah 43:11 NIV
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.
 
God is the ultimate savior of this world, for no one could ever be saved from anyone if it were not the will of God that it happen, right?  But that is not to say that the one God chose to save someone through cannot also be called “savior”.  God saved the world through Jesus, and is the world's “savior”.  But the part that Jesus played in the saving of the world entitles him to also be considered our “savior”.  It doesn't however mean that “Jesus is God”.  God raised up for us a savior in Jesus, just like he said He would raise up a savior in Isaiah 19:20,

When they cry out to the LORD because of their oppressors, he will send them a savior and defender, and he will rescue them.  

Keith tried this with the word “good” not too long ago.  Jesus is called “good”, and God is called “good”, so therefore, in his mind, Jesus must be God.  This is very flawed reasoning Mark, for many are “good” in the scriptures, and the same applies here with with saviors.  But I'll give you a perfect scriptural example.  

Judges 2:16 NIV
Then the LORD raised up judges, who saved them out of the hands of these raiders.

Judges 2:18 NIV
Whenever the LORD raised up a judge for them, he was with the judge and saved them out of the hands of their enemies as long as the judge lived;

So you can see that the judges themselves were said to have “saved” people, making them “saviors”.  But two verses later, we learn that it was really God who was doing the “saving” through the judges because He was with them.

This is the same thing with God's Christ Mark.  God sent His SERVANT to be a savior of the world, but it has always been God who was doing the “saving” THROUGH others……..including His servant Jesus Christ.  And just like the judges being given credit for “saving” in verse 16 above didn't make them “God”, Jesus being given credit for “saving” also does not make him “God”.

One of the “proof texts” you listed actually denies the very claim these scriptures are suppose to be making.

2 Peter 1 KJV
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

The word “AND” in your own scripture distinguishes Jesus as someone other than “God”.  But this following one sums up what I'm saying,

Acts 13:23 NIV
“From this man’s descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised.

You see Mark, God (one person) brought the Savior Jesus (a different person) to Israel.

The use of the word “savior” for someone does not make that someone be “God” Mark………or your “Godhead” would have many more than three persons in it.  

Can we call this one “debunked” and move on to the next one, or do you have a rebuttal?

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

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Mike!  Jesus is Mighty God while Jehovah is Almighty God.  LORD Jehovah God and Lord Jesus…..I worship Almighty God and honor Jesus, because He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.  Even though LORD is in all capital letters in Rev,19:16 Almighty God is above all….Peace Irene

Hi Irene,

How's the typing arm?  I hope you are not still in pain.

Do you know what this thread is about Irene?    Mark has posted a whole bunch of scriptures that he thinks say Jesus is God Almighty.  I'm in the process of showing him that they say no such thing.

When you see me quoting a “Jesus is God” scripture or point, I am only posting what HE said so I can then refute it scripturally.

You seem to think that I actually am posting these things because I think “Jesus is God”.  You know I don't.  I know better Irene.  Jesus is the Son of God, not God Himself.

Just so we're clear!

peace and love,
mike

P.S. I've bump a thread called “LORD = JHVH” for you Irene. Please check out the last post I just made for you.

[Baker]

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Quote (Baker @ Dec. 03 2010,10:19) Mike!  Jesus is Mighty God while Jehovah is Almighty God.  LORD Jehovah God and Lord Jesus…..I worship Almighty God and honor Jesus, because He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.  Even though LORD is in all capital letters in Rev,19:16 Almighty God is above all….Peace Irene Hi Irene, How's the typing arm?  I hope you are not still in pain. Do you know what this thread is about Irene?    Mark has posted a whole bunch of scriptures that he thinks say Jesus is God Almighty.  I'm in the process of showing him that they say no such thing. When you see me quoting a “Jesus is God” scripture or point, I am only posting what HE said so I can then refute it scripturally. You seem to think that I actually am posting these things because I think “Jesus is God”.  You know I don't.  I know better Irene.  Jesus is the Son of God, not God Himself. Just so we're clear! peace and love, mike P.S.  I've bump a thread called “LORD = JHVH” for you Irene.  Please check out the last post I just made for you.

Mike! Thank you for asking, my arm still is in a lot of pain. With pain med. I however can tolerate it. Typing with one finger is slow going. Yes, I know what this tread is all about….does anyone ever care??? I did not see all of the Scriptures that Mark posted, will look them up….. Do you want to make this tread only for Mark and Mike????Peace Irene

[mikeboll64]

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Do you want to make this tread only for Mark and Mike????Peace Irene

No Irene. But I would like to keep it on topic. Right now we're dealing with scriptures that say God is our Savior and scriptures that say Jesus is our Savior. Mark thinks this means Jesus is God Almighty. Do you? Why not?

mike

[terraricca]

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Quote (Baker @ Dec. 03 2010,12:09) Do you want to make this tread only for Mark and Mike????Peace Irene No Irene.  But I would like to keep it on topic.  Right now we're dealing with scriptures that say God is our Savior and scriptures that say Jesus is our Savior.  Mark thinks this means Jesus is God Almighty.  Do you?  Why not? mike

Mike

the reason for someone like Mark to think that Christ is God ,it is because he does not care about scriptures ,he love men more than God,

the Antichrist what the apostles ad to deal with started that way,scriptures become secondary,and men interpretation became the rule,then and now the same thing.

just as the true worshipers are also the same,

they (unbelievers) do not read scriptures in total,they pick here and there and then try to make a comment by blaming everything except themselves.

a question Mike ;;what does it take so that God ;Ge 6:8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

Pierre

[Baker]

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Quote (Baker @ Dec. 03 2010,12:09) Do you want to make this tread only for Mark and Mike????Peace Irene No Irene.  But I would like to keep it on topic.  Right now we're dealing with scriptures that say God is our Savior and scriptures that say Jesus is our Savior.  Mark thinks this means Jesus is God Almighty.  Do you?  Why not? mike

Mike!  Yes, Jesus is our Savior.  But He is not Almighty God.  He is Lord, while Akmighty God is LORD, which you will find all over mostly the Old Testament.

Psa 82:1 ¶ [[A Psalm of Asaph.]] God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.  

Psa 86:8   Among the gods [there is] none like unto thee, O LORD; neither [are there any works] like unto thy works.  

Psa 83:18   That [men] may know that thou, whose name alone [is] JEHOVAH, [art] the most high over all  

Isa 42:8   I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.  

Jehovah is the name of the Almighty God.Yahweh in Hebrew. The name occurs 6,823 times in the Old T. , and yet in our Bible the King James, it is written four times, other translation mention the name at all.   It is no wonder that some think that God is His name.  There is a reason why his name was omitted.   The scribes a religious sect in charge of copying the Scriptures, had such a reverence for the name, a fear of using the name in vain, they would not speak it or write it, and so they replaced the name Jehovah with the LORD all in capital letters.
The definition of Jehovah is
THE EVERLASTING ONE
THE SELF-EXISTING ONE
THE IMMORTAL ONE
Georg did the research on this, and I took all the information out of His Book….

I already gave other Scriptures that show that Jehovah God, that there is none beside Him….Check my previous post…
Peace Irene

[Baker]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 03 2010,19:23) Quote (Baker @ Dec. 03 2010,12:09) Do you want to make this tread only for Mark and Mike????Peace Irene No Irene.  But I would like to keep it on topic.  Right now we're dealing with scriptures that say God is our Savior and scriptures that say Jesus is our Savior.  Mark thinks this means Jesus is God Almighty.  Do you?  Why not? mike Mike the reason for someone like Mark to think that Christ is God ,it is because he does not care about scriptures ,he love men more than God, the Antichrist what the apostles ad to deal with started that way,scriptures become secondary,and men interpretation became the rule,then and now the same thing. just as the true worshipers are also the same, they (unbelievers) do not read scriptures in total,they pick here and there and then try to make a comment by blaming everything except themselves. a question Mike ;;what does it take so that God ;Ge 6:8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. Pierre

Pierre, you are somewhat right about Mark. Even though He does not agree with some that the Catholic Church believes, He will not leave the church… Because of the people there. To me that is a cop out. That means that He cares more about the people then what Scriptures teach us….Peace Irene

[mikeangel]

Irene and Terricca,

We will never agree on Jesus. You believe what you want, scriptures prove he was one with God. I stay in my church and tell them what I believe is wrong, not cop out and Quit. Jesus knew how his religion was imperfect, and knew they would hand him over to be killed, yet he said “they sit on th seat of moses, so do as they say, but do not follow their example” I do as I feel Jesus would have me do, yet all of you judge me as being vain and believing in lies. Thank God he sent my savior to forgive them and me, because they do something for God. Imperfect, arrogant, drunk with power, but forgiven. And you do apparently nothing to assemble with other christians or deeds for him other than your own. I will not be your cause for sin, in that every time you attack me you are sinning, and simalrly me for sinning and getting aggrivated an returning the sin. Yall have fun, see you at the Gate.

[Baker]

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Irene and Terricca, We will never agree on Jesus. You believe what you want, scriptures prove he was one with God. I stay in my church and tell them what I believe is wrong, not cop out and Quit. Jesus knew how his religion was imperfect, and knew they would hand him over to be killed, yet he said “they sit on th seat of moses, so do as they say, but do not follow their example” I do as I feel Jesus would have me do, yet all of you judge me as being vain and believing in lies. Thank God he sent my savior to forgive them and me, because they do something for God. Imperfect, arrogant, drunk with power, but forgiven. And you do apparently nothing to assemble with other christians or deeds for him other than your own. I will not be your cause for sin, in that every time you attack me you are sinning, and simalrly me for sinning and getting aggrivated an returning the sin. Yall have fun, see you at the Gate.

Mark! Tell me how do I sin, when I first agree with Pierre, and then gave Scriptures to prove my point. Whatever you do, I have no part in. You have to stand in front of God one day and defend why you did and say what you do. So will I. I done nothing wrong by showing your error. If you want to keep in fellowship with those that do not want to change, that is absolutely up to you. But don't come here and through your weight around and tell us we sin, when we debate scriptures. Rev, tells us “Come out of her my people.” I have shown you many Scriptures that tell us that there is no trinity God….We worship God only and honor Jesus. Even Jesus Himself said that

Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THEN I.

The manistream Christianity today all believe in the trinity and Jesus too said in
Math. 15:9 read all of it….. with their mouth do the honor Me, but their hearth is far from Me. And in vain do they worship, teaching as doctrine the commandment of men. I also showed you who first came up with the trinity doctrine. It was a man….

Mat 15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me.

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

I came out of the Catholic Church, not because only of the trinity, but also because they worship Maria and even pray to Her. The mass is the abomination, and the Priest crucifies Jesus each time they say a mass…And whether you think those things are right or wrong, you still go and are a part with them….And by the way do you know for certain who we fellowship with? No you don't. I don't have to belong to any organized religion to do so. Jesus said:” WHERE TWO OR THREE ARE GATHERED IN MY NAME, THERE I AM IN THE MID OF YOU.

Peace Irene

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 04 2010,06:13)

Irene and Terricca, We will never agree on Jesus. You believe what you want, scriptures prove he was one with God. I stay in my church and tell them what I believe is wrong, not cop out and Quit. Jesus knew how his religion was imperfect, and knew they would hand him over to be killed, yet he said “they sit on th seat of moses, so do as they say, but do not follow their example” I do as I feel Jesus would have me do, yet all of you judge me as being vain and believing in lies. Thank God he sent my savior to forgive them and me, because they do something for God. Imperfect, arrogant, drunk with power, but forgiven. And you do apparently nothing to assemble with other christians or deeds for him other than your own. I will not be your cause for sin, in that every time you attack me you are sinning, and simalrly me for sinning and getting aggrivated an returning the sin. Yall have fun, see you at the Gate.

Mark

Christ was talking to the people,but what did he do ,did he joint the Pharisees,the zealots,Sadducee's,the doctors of the law,Essenes,??? NO, they all were following men.

so he got out with his apostles,and latter they stayed out ,

what example do you say you follow???

Pierre

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