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Hi 94,
You made it plain that your motivation was to improve your relationship with the Father.
If you are a son you cannot improve your relationship with Him.
He loves His sons,
If you are not a son works will change nothing.
Hi Nick:
Who said that I wasn’t a son? I haven’t been keeping the Sabbath day, and I want to start doing so, because one of the commandment of God states “remember to keep the Sabbath day Holy”. I believe that all of God’s principles for living are beneficial to me. My Body is the Holy Temple of God and it important, and my responsibility to take care of His Temple. And so, to rest on Sabbath day, and set it apart to study the bible, and to fellowship with fellow believers and family is a good thing. It is also important in bringing the church of the living God into unity, and it is important in bringing Jews into a relationship with God through the gospel.
1 John 5:2King James Version (KJV)
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
But I do know that without the blood that Jesus shed for me I cannot be saved.
This is what I am going to do. You don’t have to do it. You have the freedom to choose.
Love in Christ,
Marty942767,
These Jews were saying that in order to be saved we must keep all of the Law of Moses including all of the Law of Moses which we know that we cannot keep all of the Law without violating it, and if we violate it in one part, James says that we are guilty of breaking the Law.
Technically James was speaking of the Law of Love and not the Law of Moses but nerveless the same principle applies to any Legal Code including the Law of Moses.
The Law of Moses is not broken so it can be kept but it was a burden to the children of Israel because they did not have the Spirit. Without the Spirit it is impossible to be filled with the righteousness of God and so keep the spirit of the Law of Moses.
The Law of Moses was a yoke to the children of Israel as the result of attempting righteousness by the work of humanity and not by the fruit of the Spirit. Paul addressed this concern in his letter including the one that spoke of those that held a day as special to the Lord and those that held every day the same.
We are to Love as God loves and in doing so will perform all that is righteous in the Law. We will not do the things like circumcision that are traditions set up for the Jews by God.
Well, technically, James was speaking of the Ten Commandments, which given to the children through Moses, and we fulfill these commandments by love. I have already posted the verses of scripture that the Apostle Paul gave relative to this in Romans 13 when he said relative to our neighbor “love is the fulfillment of the Law”, and I have stated to you also that the first four of the commandments are relative to God, and I will keep those commandments through love also. I don’t have any other God’s but my Father, and I don’t make any graven images and bow down to them which would be idolatry, and I don’t take his name in vain, that is to say when I say that I am a son of God, I live my life in such away that people see that I am a child of God. I will take care of the temple of God, my body, for it was purchased with a price. That includes trying to eat right, exercise and set aside a day for rest, which is called the Sabbath day.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi 94,
The lord of the Sabbath did not mention this law when he discussed them.
Do you not worship and serve God every day?
942767,
Well, technically, James was speaking of the Ten Commandments, which given to the children through Moses, and we fulfill these commandments by love
I have not traced separating the Ten Commandments from the rest of the Law to a time before the 19th Century. It is a flawed teaching because the Law of Moses specifically states cursed is anyone that does not do everything that is written in the Law. You also Jesus’ words to the Jews that “Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
In case you still doubt consider those things mentioned as godlessness in Romans 1. Among them is homosexuality which is not banned in the Ten commandments but is one of the deeds of sexual immorality that is specifically banned later in the Law. There are other fruits of ungodliness that are not banned in the Ten but are banned later in the Law. For example sex between a unmarried couple. In addition there are actions that are commanded such as charity that are not mentioned in the Ten but are mentioned in the rest of the Law. The Ten serve as a symbol of the Law but are not the whole Law.
The fruit of obeying the Law is righteousness but the fruit of the Spirit is the deeds of the Law of Love. Are those of the new covenant to obey by our own effort or to bear the fruit of the Spirit by the effort of God?
kerwin
we all who says that he is a true believer in Jesus and his father ;should /have to/no choice but to worship God 24/7 and with all our heart/soul/mind/and strength ,
what do you think is left of us that as not been mention in this ?
Hi Nick:
Hi 94,
The lord of the Sabbath did not mention this law when he discussed them.
Do you not worship and serve God every day?
(But he did mention the Sabbath which is the 4th Commandment, did he not? He said that the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath.)
Of course, I worship God every day, and I keep his commandments every day. The Sabbath day is a day of rest which I see as a wonderful principle that I will obey.
Love in Christ,
MartyKerwin
what do you know about the sum of the law and the prophets ;for if you do not understand that ,then your words are meaningless,so what that mean ?
Hi KW:
There is a commandment which states that we should not commit adultery, and Jesus amplifies this to mean that even if we look at a woman to lust after her flesh we have already committed adultery, and he also discussed marriage saying
Matthew
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.And so, according to you, since the Ten Commandments do not explicitly state that homosexuality is wrong, Jesus meant by his statement the following scriptures that he was saying that whoever breaks one of the laws in the book of leviticus will be least in the kingdom of God, and that we should do and teach them.
Matthew 5:
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
At any rate, Jesus fulfilled the Law, and he has stated that “he is the way, the truth and the life, and no man can come to the Father but by him”. He said that the Sabbath was made for man, and so, I am going to keep the Sabbath day, not the way that the Pharisees did, but yes, I will make it a day of rest, and a day to study the scriptures, and to worship with those who choose to worship God as God rather than to worship Jesus as God which is idolatry.
What about the following discussion:
Mark 10:
17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
And you say:
The fruit of obeying the Law is righteousness but the fruit of the Spirit is the deeds of the Law of Love. Are those of the new covenant to obey by our own effort or to bear the fruit of the Spirit by the effort of God
And so, you are saying that we don’t have to do anything, but just let the Spirit of God do everything? Jesus said, “if you love me keep my commandments”. And I do love him, and I will keep his commandments.
Love in Christ,
Marty942767,
I was addressing the false teaching that the Ten Commandments is the whole Law.
In short the Ten does not ban sex outside of marriage, homosexuality, or a number of other things. The young ruler that came to Jesus did those things written in the Ten but he lacked charity for other even though the Ten does not command charity. Giving to the needy as well as the ban of homosexuality and sex outside marriage in written in the rest of the Law.
Circumcision is also written even though it was also given to Abraham and his offspring.
You seem to be confused of the difference between the righteousness of the Law and the righteousness that comes by faith.
Kerwin
Terrarica,Walk according to the fruit of the Spirit and you will keep the sum of the Law.
___________________________________________you can see that you never answered my question ;so I ask again what are the sum of the law and the prophets,
and what would be “walking according to the fruits of the spirit ? but how can someone walk in the fruits in the first place ?
Hi KW:
You seem to go to great extremes to win an argument, all because I said that I was going to start keeping the Sabbath day. There are many things in the Law which Jesus would not have been telling us to teach or do. We are under a New Covenant, and he said that “he was the way, the truth and the life”.
The young ruler was in violating the 1st of the Ten Commandments.
I am not confused. I know my Father and he knows me.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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