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kerwin…..Tell us why did he say it would come from the midst of them, and why was it protrayed as falling away, “from what”, and also, if it was so well known , why did he say it was a, “MYSTERY” OF INIQUITY, ?
I maintain it allhad to do with what was already forming in the churches of GOD. PAUL, AS WELL AS JOHN and even JESUS and the other apostles were warning the churchs what was going to take place in the churches, they were not interested in what was happening out side in the world. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………gene
Gene…THEN why is it declared in St John 12 that the blessed Isaiah in his theophany saw CHRIST? is this also a lie of your devil? Read Genesis and Exodus again and see they saw God.The God they saw was Christ as even Christ revealed when he said Abraham saw him and was glad. Why does this not make you glad too? is it because it’s actually you who have fallen for the devils hooks in order to separate us? What God hath joined together, that is himself and Christ,let not man put asunder.
And no Gene I’m not espousing Trinity as I even plainly said in my previous post. I realize that’s the main sticking point of this site;that is hate of the term or doctrine of trinity.And I’m not your trinitarian opponent but rather an Arian in truth and by grace.
Hi Andrew,
You need to read other versions of Isaiah 6
The authors of the NIV added the word JESUS there.
It was never in the manuscripts
Nick, I’m saying what St John’s gospel clearly says in chapter 12. That is the authors interpretation of it.It has nothing to do with what you perceive is written in Isa 6 unless you really don’t accept what is written in St John. It has nothing to do with the NIV which I don’t use. Read it in any translation you like.
Dear Nick,
You know as well as I that what Gene is saying here are his own extreme ideas and foolish interpretations of 2 Thess. I won’t even blame the devil for that.
Gene,
Please give me more information about the passages you are speaking of in Scripture. Thank you.
Hi Andrew,
Do you know the voice of the Spirit?
if you do not you can derive some false ideas from scripture.
Kerwin…..Not sure what scripture or scriptures you are refering to brother.
One thing we should keep in mind Kerwin, is that the church became a seperate organization from the world, after it started, and was dealt with as such, it needed to be kept separate from the world also. The main goal of the apostles was to keep it that way, so they warned them of problems that would arise in the churches. For instance like 2 Ti 4:3-4 where the apostle charges THOMITHY what to watch for in the churches. MANY SCRIPTURES show this Kerwin.
peace and love to you and ………gene
AndrewAD….you speak as these are my own foolish ideas reguarding 2 Ths2, that is exactly what anyone who has been deluded by that “LIE” about Jesus, WOULD SAY, that is the exact response SATAN wants, it is a very cleverly devised DOCTRINE, which comes to the churches from Satan and has had a devestating impact on Christianity . SO if you are of the main stream christian teachings, then you would naturally respond to this as you do.
If you believe human beings have ACTUALLY seen God them you are going contrary to what Jesus himself said, as i posted it to you.
peace and love to you and yours …….gene
Hi Andrew,
Correction.
The word JESUS was added in JOHN 12. 41 in the NIV where Is 6 is being discussed.
The word Jesus is not in the manuscript.
And if you compare Rev 4 with Is 6 you will see it should not be there.
Gene,
The doctrine of the “Antichrist” has been around since before the time of Jesus Christ. Like the resurrection of the dead it was debated among the Jews of that period. There is no evidence they called the one coming in the spirit of Satan’s lieutenant the Antichrist but they did teach of one who would lead the forces of evil against the forces of darkness.
It is not something that has come up after the Trinity teaching has such as for example the Trinity tenet.
Gene,
The Great Falling Away is when many fall away from the truth. Heresy precedes that falling away.
kerwin…..FRIST OF ALL JOHN COINED THE TERM Antichrist and he tied it with the failure to believe in the flesh comming of the man Jesus.
The term Antichrist is simply put (aginst the MESSIAH) not against JESUS himself but against the “idea” that the Messiah was not to be a flesh person, fostered by the teahings of the Gnostic’s who portrayed Jesus as a God and not a ordinaty flesh human being as we are, so in that sense they were anti-messiah,why because a messiah must be a human flesf person, in order tobe a MESSIAH.
Secondly….The “man of sin” mentioned in 2Ths 2 a process over time and described as a “mystery” of iniquity, a false teaching that was beginning to form “IN” THE TRUE CHURCH OF GOD, in the very days of the apostles PAUL AND JOHN, so they were already trying to deal with it in their day. But their concern was with the church itself and they were addressing it as such. none of what they were talking about was concerning the whole world, it only had to do with the then existing churches only.
Kerwin…The true church of God is not part of the world itself, but is part of a different group of people called out of the world and are a part of the family of God and are dealt with as such. surely you know this right, that there is a defference between the people of God and Jesus, and people of the world. Take the letters to the seven chur hes in Asia Jesus addresses, he was not speaking to the whole world but just to those paticular churches and the problems they were experencing in those days.
The antichrist as well as the man of sin, have only to do with the true churches of God.
peace and love to you and yours………gene
Gene,
In Gnosticism any spiritual being is flows from God and so is not created. It is the Emanationism religions opinion and I do not fully understand it. It sounds like it may be related to the Vedic religion that evolved into the Hindu religion in India. It may have influenced the forming of the Trinity teaching as some Gnostics believe Jesus and the Holy Spirit are aeons, angels, that were emanated from God in order to save humanity from the physical world.
That heresy may be what the Hebrews starts out addressing. My source is the Wikipedia article on Aeons.
As for the teaching of the One that will oppose the Son in the last days I have nothing to add.
“But your iniquities have separated between you and your God,
and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.” (Isaiah 59:2)Hi Gene,
Your ideas cause us no separation.
Sin is the doctrine of separation.Do you feel it is your duty to try to convince us of your views? (<-- please answer)
ED J…..YES, i do believe it is my duty to all believers to use the talents given me. AT LEAST it can not be said i buried it, when the master come and holds me accountable. It may not produce much fruit, makes no difference to me, it was given to me and i delievered it. Now we will see what those who recieved or reject it will do, it dosen’t change a thing, reuarding my responsibility’s. I stand by every word that i have written reguarding this subject.
He that has an ear let “him” hear.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
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