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Hi Kerwin:
I do believe that the abomination of desolation will be when the Anti-Christ sets himself up in the Holy of Holies where the Ark of the Covenant is supposed to be in the Temple that will be built by the Jews who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah. They are still expecting the Messiah, but when they see this happening, they will know that they were wrong about Jesus not being the Messiah. The desecration of the Temple by Antiochus Epiphanes is probably symbolic of what will happen. If I am understanding correctly, his name means “God manifest”.
Hi Mia:
I do not believe that the abomination of desolation has occurred yet, because the scripture states that when it happens there will be a time of trouble such has not happened since the world began, and immediately after this time of trouble, the Lord will come for the church.
Matthew 24:
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Relative to my post relative to Jesus being in the Holy of Holies at the right hand of God and my statement that the place where true worshipers of God are gathered to worship being the Holy place in the temple and the world being the place of the gentiles. Jesus made this statement when speaking to the Samaritan woman:
John 4:
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Revelation 11King James Version (KJV)
11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail
Relative to the so called “Orthodox church”, they are in Babylonia which is confusion, and God is calling His people out of this confusion, The Lord has stated: “upon this rock I will build my church and he gates of hell will not prevail against it.” And so, there is that church to which Jesus is referring at the time of his coming.
Love in Christ,
MartyMARTY….DO YOU SEE THE parenthesis around the words (whoso readeth,let him understand) ,that is not in the true text.
WHEN Jesus said to “THEM” when “YOU” SEE, he was talking to them seening it , not some one reading these words that were not even written down for 700 years latter,
AS far as Antichrist GOES there were alread many Antichrists if you believe WHAT JOHN SAID.
peace and love to you and yours……gene
Nick….Many years ago I read a book about the misquoting of JESUS, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS THERE I SAW IT, BUT I ALSO RECALL READING IT in MARINAL NOTE ALSO BROTHER. We need to always keep in mind it was the, fallen church translators, that gave us the translations we now have, some of which have been corrected. THE KING JAMES BIBLE translated in the 1600’s add many of them to there translations,thinking it would make scripture more clear, but in some cases as brought out it actually hindered the translation, like the one we were talking about, it causes people to think that the time period was some thing in the distant future, when in fact it apears to have happened in 70 AD when many deciples were able to withness it. That is why I believe JESUS WAS INDEED TALKING TO HIS PRESENT DECIPLES and the people of that day to warn them of the impending danger, saying Mat 24:15….when “YOU” therefore shall “SEE”, the abomination of desolation, ……
It did happen in 70 AD, AND the Jews were despatched into all the world, just like the kingdom of ISRAEL WAS BEFORE THEM. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…….gene
NICK…. all depends on what you understand right? GO back and reread it i tryed to clearify it more for you, and yes made more vague by what was added to the text. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…….gene
Hi GB,
So you claim what was in parentheses was not in the original texts?
Did your source offer any evidence?
it is exactly what Satan wants all seeking God the father to think , that Jesus is not really like them
Hi Gene,
I thought you teach that Satan doesn’t exist. Have you changed your doctrine?
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God bless
Ed JGuys,
The ‘abomination of desolation’ is ‘the dome of the rock’ set up in 688ad.
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God bless
Ed JNICK…..It is perty much conferned by many scholars nearly all scholars i think, that those words were added to the original text to try to clearfy scriptures and in some cases they might, but in this case it dosen’t. IMO, NICK just type it in on your wed search, and check it out for yourself.
peace and love to you and yours ……..gene
EDJ…..JESUS SAID PETER WAS SATAN. go figure, if you BELIEVE JESUS THEN SATAN IS PETER.
peace and love to you and yours……gene
Hi GB,
If you were of the Spirit you would know that Jesus was speaking of something in the human vessel Peter.
Hi GB,
Jesus Christ had spiritual eyes that saw within a person.As with the demoniac in Mk5 he sometimes conversed with them
But usually he rebuked the sin in the flesh and told it to leave. He condemned sin in the flesh.
EDJ…..JESUS SAID PETER WAS SATAN. go figure, if you BELIEVE JESUS THEN SATAN IS PETER.
peace and love to you and yours……gene
Hi Gene,
Funny how you can figure God spoke through Jesus,
but cannot figure that of Peter._______________
God bless
Ed JNICK…THE ONLY REASON I WROTE THAT TO EDJ, WAS TO SHOW HIM THAT Satan was a spirit that can be in anyone. i do not believe PETER IS SATAN, how do you get from my response to EDJ’S statement that i believe PETER WAS ACTUALLY Satan himself? GO back and reread it “exactly” as i wrote . i know full well that it was the spirit of the devil or satan that was working in him, i have never said differently. i was trying to show EDJ THAT VERY POINT that Satan was a spirit, as God is a spirit also.
The spirit working in you is a spirit trying desperately to make me look wrong and discredit me, in the eyes of others, and it has nothing to do with the love of the truth, as you would have us believe. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS , IF YOU WERE SPITURIAL AS YOU WOULD LIKE US TO BELIEVE, THEN WHY CAN’T YOU SEE THE SPIRIT THAT IS WORKING IN YOU?
MAYBE YOUR EYES NEED THE BALM NICK, have you ever thought of that?
peace and love to you and yours ……..gene
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