Satan is in the lake of fire

[georg]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 01 2009,08:27)

Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,07:19) Nick Explain to me this scripture. 1Pe 4:17   For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?   Georg Hi Georg, That judgement is described in 1 Cor 3, the faith testing by fire of those ESTABLISHED in Jesus. The times of cleansing by TRIALS and the SUFFERING of the brothers that Peter speaks about in his first letter. What we have been given must be shown to be effective for us and God or we can have it all burned away. It points to the time ahead when the rest will be also tested while they live and 1Peter 4..18 expresses doubt that those who have no faith can survive. But the final judgement is of all who have lived and died and now are resurrected for an audit of those lives.[Mt25, rev20]

Nick

The house of God you should know, are the saints. they were predestined to be called, and if they endured to the end, a sacrificial end, there would be a crown waiting for them at Christs return.
That is what the gospel is for, that is why the gospel had to be preached into all the world, so that those who were to be called would get to hear it.
You keep saying, “second chance”, who in your mind is it that is getting a second chance? In your mind, do you think all have had a first chance?
You have children and grandchildren, do they all believe as you do? Are you telling them, you better believe as I do or you have no future?
If nothing else, tell me one thing, what in your mind is the millennium for?

Georg

[georg]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 01 2009,08:47)

Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,01:00) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 31 2009,11:37) Nick was saying people die every day but this is not the judgement, but Adam, those who were destroyed by the flood in the days of Noah, and Sodom and Ghommorah were judged by God and in the case of the wicked in the days of Noah and Sodom and Ghommorah they were destroyed.  This was no ordinary death.  They were judged by God. Anyway, I have given you my understanding of this.  I would hope that everyone would be saved, but based on my understanding of the scriptures, I don't believe that will happen. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Have you ever wondered why Jesus said this? Mat 10:14   And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.   Mat 10:15   Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.   Doesn't that show that all the dead will yet have their chance to repent? Georg Hi Georg: Everyone had an opportunity to repent during their lifetime. But judgement will be severe on those who have heard the gospel and have rejected it. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

“EVERYONE”?

I don't think you believe that yourself.

Georg

[942767]

Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,11:52)

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 01 2009,08:47) Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,01:00) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 31 2009,11:37) Nick was saying people die every day but this is not the judgement, but Adam, those who were destroyed by the flood in the days of Noah, and Sodom and Ghommorah were judged by God and in the case of the wicked in the days of Noah and Sodom and Ghommorah they were destroyed.  This was no ordinary death.  They were judged by God. Anyway, I have given you my understanding of this.  I would hope that everyone would be saved, but based on my understanding of the scriptures, I don't believe that will happen. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Have you ever wondered why Jesus said this? Mat 10:14   And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.   Mat 10:15   Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.   Doesn't that show that all the dead will yet have their chance to repent? Georg Hi Georg: Everyone had an opportunity to repent during their lifetime. But judgement will be severe on those who have heard the gospel and have rejected it. Love in Christ, Marty Marty “EVERYONE”? I don't think you believe that yourself. Georg

Hi Georg:

What I have tried to show you by what I have stated is that God was involved in every generantion even as He is in the present generation striving with man to get him to repent, but in each generation there were some that believed and repented and others perished through unbelief, and so it will be in this present era.

My understanding is that those in the OT who were in unbelief have perished. That is my understanding. They won't be resurrected and cast into the lake of fire. They lived and died. That is what some people would like for this present era to be. They would wish that they could live any way they choose and not be held accountable to God, but in the present era, judgment is witheld until the last days.

And so, I have given you my understanding of this because you asked. What is your understanding? Maybe I am wrong, and if so, I want to be corrected. And so, I am praying each morning to my Father and God to correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His Word. I don't want to mislead anyone.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 01 2009,11:38)

G, You say there is no satan, You say there is no fire, You say there is no final judgment ….so why do you contribute to this thread?

Nick……..When did i say there was no Satan, Peter was a Satan, so was Judas and the Pharisees were to. they were all adversary to GOD at times. I said there is no (single) Satan (BEING) that most know as the devil.

If there is a literial fire < How do you cast death and Hell into it.

When did i say there is (NO) FINAL Judgment , there can very easily be a final judgement, but to say (ALL) judgments are final is a stretch of the word.

I think you jump to conclusions about what i am saying Nick.

[georg]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 01 2009,12:59)

Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,11:52) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 01 2009,08:47) Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,01:00) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 31 2009,11:37) Nick was saying people die every day but this is not the judgement, but Adam, those who were destroyed by the flood in the days of Noah, and Sodom and Ghommorah were judged by God and in the case of the wicked in the days of Noah and Sodom and Ghommorah they were destroyed.  This was no ordinary death.  They were judged by God. Anyway, I have given you my understanding of this.  I would hope that everyone would be saved, but based on my understanding of the scriptures, I don't believe that will happen. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Have you ever wondered why Jesus said this? Mat 10:14   And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.   Mat 10:15   Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.   Doesn't that show that all the dead will yet have their chance to repent? Georg Hi Georg: Everyone had an opportunity to repent during their lifetime. But judgement will be severe on those who have heard the gospel and have rejected it. Love in Christ, Marty Marty “EVERYONE”? I don't think you believe that yourself. Georg Hi Georg: What I have tried to show you by what I have stated is that God was involved in every generantion even as He is in the present generation striving with man to get him to repent, but in each generation there were some that believed and repented and others perished through unbelief, and so it will be in this present era. My understanding is that those in the OT who were in unbelief have perished.  That is my understanding.  They won't be resurrected and cast into the lake of fire.  They lived and died.  That is what some people would like for this present era to be.  They would wish that they could live any way they choose and not be held accountable to God, but in the present era, judgment is witheld until the last days. And so, I have given you my understanding of this because you asked.  What is your understanding?  Maybe I am wrong, and if so, I want to be corrected.  And so, I am praying each morning to my Father and God to correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His Word.  I don't want to mislead anyone. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

I do appreciate your openness and honesty.
I just want to ask you to think about this one scripture.

1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Look at the “ALL”.

Georg

[GeneBalthrop]

Georg………….I agree with that, People do not see the (ALL) but try to make it exclusive it to fit them and a few others.

gene

[bodhitharta]

Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,15:55)

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 01 2009,12:59) Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,11:52) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 01 2009,08:47) Quote (georg @ Nov. 01 2009,01:00) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 31 2009,11:37) Nick was saying people die every day but this is not the judgement, but Adam, those who were destroyed by the flood in the days of Noah, and Sodom and Ghommorah were judged by God and in the case of the wicked in the days of Noah and Sodom and Ghommorah they were destroyed.  This was no ordinary death.  They were judged by God. Anyway, I have given you my understanding of this.  I would hope that everyone would be saved, but based on my understanding of the scriptures, I don't believe that will happen. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Have you ever wondered why Jesus said this? Mat 10:14   And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.   Mat 10:15   Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.   Doesn't that show that all the dead will yet have their chance to repent? Georg Hi Georg: Everyone had an opportunity to repent during their lifetime. But judgement will be severe on those who have heard the gospel and have rejected it. Love in Christ, Marty Marty “EVERYONE”? I don't think you believe that yourself. Georg Hi Georg: What I have tried to show you by what I have stated is that God was involved in every generantion even as He is in the present generation striving with man to get him to repent, but in each generation there were some that believed and repented and others perished through unbelief, and so it will be in this present era. My understanding is that those in the OT who were in unbelief have perished.  That is my understanding.  They won't be resurrected and cast into the lake of fire.  They lived and died.  That is what some people would like for this present era to be.  They would wish that they could live any way they choose and not be held accountable to God, but in the present era, judgment is witheld until the last days. And so, I have given you my understanding of this because you asked.  What is your understanding?  Maybe I am wrong, and if so, I want to be corrected.  And so, I am praying each morning to my Father and God to correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His Word.  I don't want to mislead anyone. Love in Christ, Marty Marty I do appreciate your openness and honesty. I just want to ask you to think about this one scripture. 1Cr 15:22   For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.   Look at the “ALL”. Georg

Yes but All who were in God never has died in Adam, so the All that you quote is conditional

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 01 2009,09:17)

Hi Georg, God was in the men He sent out in Christ. He reveals the saved by their reaction to the message. Sodom and Gomorrah have more excuse because they never heard from an anointed messenger.

Yes they did LOT was their prophet. God never destroys a a place for their evil without sending a messenger. Before the flood Noah was sent.

That is why Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel and Paul extended the message to Gentiles and MUhammad was sent to the Arabs and the rest of the world at large it's because the last destruction and Judgement will eventually come and everyone is being clearly warned before it occurs

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Muhammad was not a prophet of God was he?
His mission seemed to be of man.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 02 2009,06:27)

Hi BD, Muhammad was not a prophet of God was he? His mission seemed to be of man.

God revealed The Quran to Muhammad through The Angel Gabriel I would definitely consider that making one qualified to be a prophet. How is it you say his mission seemed to be of man when it is clearly of God.

In Islam there is no confusion of how many persons of God there are, there is no confusion regarding his creations being equal to him, there is no confusion of whether someone must practice Godliness. Simply put, in Islam there is no confusion and most of the things that are argued on this site could never even come up if the Quran was read and accepted by those here.

I am free to love Jesus knowing he ate like me, slept like me and prayed like me and yet he overcame the world which means that emulating him I can also overcome the world.

Today many people who believe that Jesus is God love to say when they don't want to correct bad behaviour ” well, I'm not perfect” but Jesus said to be perfect so I know him being tempted just like me that I can be perfect in obedience just like him.

[georg]

Quote (Gene @ Nov. 01 2009,15:20)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 01 2009,11:38) G, You say there is no satan, You say there is no fire, You say there is no final judgment ….so why do you contribute to this thread? Nick……..When did i say there was no Satan, Peter was a Satan, so was Judas and the Pharisees were to. they were all adversary to GOD at times.  I said  there is no (single) Satan (BEING) that most know as the devil.   If there is a literial fire < How do you cast death and Hell into it. When did i say there is (NO) FINAL Judgment , there can very easily be a final judgement, but to say (ALL) judgments are final is a stretch of the word. I think you jump to conclusions about what i am saying Nick.

Isaiah 14:12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
Verse 13
For you have said in your Heart;  I will ascend into heaven.
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
verse 14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.”

verse 15
Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol
To the lowest dephts of the pit.

Along with lLucifer who became Satan the devil, one third of the Angels went with him, but are now in chains.

Jude 1:6 And the Angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own habitation.  He has reserved in everylasting darkness for the judgemet of the great day.

Peace and Love Irene

[GeneBalthrop]

Irene……..You know as well as it it also say He was a MAN. There is (NO) lucifer Devil (BEING) or a SATAN beings excep Man Himself is a Devil and can be a SATAN , (ADVERSARY TO GOD) EVEN AS ADAM AND EVE WAS, BY GOING AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD. VISUALIZING THE WORD SATAN OR DEVIL AS A (BEING) IS THE PROBLEM INSTEAD OF A SPIRIT (INTELLECT) OF AN ADVERSARY TO GOD'S WORK even as Peter and Judas and the Pharisees were. THEY WERE ALL DEVILS AND DEMONS AND SATAN. Anyone can be a adversary (satan) or devil as scripture shows. The false teaching of the (MYSTERY RELIGION) changed the word Adversary into a BEING. WE are told to come out of these false teachings, that we recieve not of HER PLAGUES. The plagues of believing in the false teachings are all kinds of Phobias that effect peoples lives. IMO

peace and love to you and Georg………………………….gene

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Gene @ Nov. 03 2009,03:32)

Irene……..You know as well as it it also say He was a MAN. There is (NO) lucifer Devil (BEING) or a SATAN beings excep Man Himself is a Devil and can be a SATAN , (ADVERSARY TO GOD) EVEN AS ADAM AND EVE WAS, BY GOING AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD. VISUALIZING THE WORD SATAN OR DEVIL AS A (BEING) IS THE PROBLEM INSTEAD OF A SPIRIT (INTELLECT) OF AN ADVERSARY TO GOD'S WORK even as Peter and Judas and the Pharisees were. THEY WERE ALL DEVILS AND DEMONS AND SATAN. Anyone can be a adversary (satan) or devil as scripture shows. The false teaching of the (MYSTERY RELIGION) changed the word Adversary into a BEING.  WE are told to come out of these false teachings, that we recieve not of HER PLAGUES. The plagues of believing in the false teachings are all kinds of Phobias that effect peoples lives.   IMO peace and love to you and Georg………………………….gene

Gene,

You cannot say mystery religions made Satan into a being how is it you made no comment on the part Irene wrote about the angels who left there place and became evil?

Jude 1:6 And the Angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own habitation. He has reserved in everylasting darkness for the judgemet of the great day.

Angels are beings right? Angels are Spirits right?

I don't think you can deny that there can be an angel that becomes an advesary

Numbers 22:22-32 (King James Version)

22And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.

23And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way.

24But the angel of the LORD stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on this side, and a wall on that side.

25And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again.

26And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left.

27And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff.

28And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

29And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee.

30And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? and he said, Nay.

31Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way[/B, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.

[georg]

Quote (Gene @ Nov. 03 2009,03:32)

Irene……..You know as well as it it also say He was a MAN. There is (NO) lucifer Devil (BEING) or a SATAN beings excep Man Himself is a Devil and can be a SATAN , (ADVERSARY TO GOD) EVEN AS ADAM AND EVE WAS, BY GOING AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD. VISUALIZING THE WORD SATAN OR DEVIL AS A (BEING) IS THE PROBLEM INSTEAD OF A SPIRIT (INTELLECT) OF AN ADVERSARY TO GOD'S WORK even as Peter and Judas and the Pharisees were. THEY WERE ALL DEVILS AND DEMONS AND SATAN. Anyone can be a adversary (satan) or devil as scripture shows. The false teaching of the (MYSTERY RELIGION) changed the word Adversary into a BEING.  WE are told to come out of these false teachings, that we recieve not of HER PLAGUES. The plagues of believing in the false teachings are all kinds of Phobias that effect peoples lives.   IMO peace and love to you and Georg………………………….gene

Gene!  I first want to say if you belief that Satan was a man, is that what you are saying?  Satan is Spirit being and so are his angels.  In spite of these Scriptures that I have put down, you insist that there is no Angel that wanted to be like God?  But that is what it says, my friend.
In Luke First in verse 17 the seventy others said:” Lord even the demons are subject to Your name.
That is when we feel the demons around us, (I do)and we say in Jess name leave -they will.
 
verse 18 And He said to them(the Lord) :” I saw Satan fall like lightening from Heaven.”

Job is a good Book to see how God allows Satan to test Job.

Job 1:6  Now there was a day when the Sons of God(Angels) came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan was among them. That was beforeHe lost the right to go to heaven.
Just read on….
God is letting Satan do anything He wants to, exept take His Life.  

In Math, 2 Satan is testing Jesus and in verse 10  

Christ tells Satan ” Away with you Satan for it is written,” You shall worship the LORD God and Him only you shall serve.”

Math. 16:23 Jess tells Peter to get behind Him,:” Get behind Me, you are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but of men.”

Rev. 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world;
he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

There are several other Scriptures that talk about Satan to much for me to put them down, but if these that I gave here don't mean nothing to you and you still believe that there is no literal SATN BEING,  I don't know about you.  Also you give us no Scriptures in what you belief.  Peter and all others that listened to Satan must of repented at least Peter did.  You are jumping to conclusion, and I have no idea how you can even think that there is no literal Satan, with all these Scriptures.  and I know there are more in the Strong's Concordance.  I only took the ones that were in the K.J. Bible.

The rest of these Scriptures I will just list
Acts 5:3
1Corinth. 5:5
2Corinth. 11:14
2 These. 2:9
Rev.2:9, 2:13, 2:24, 12:9,20:7
Peace and Love Irene

[georg]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 03 2009,03:59)

Quote (Gene @ Nov. 03 2009,03:32) Irene……..You know as well as it it also say He was a MAN. There is (NO) lucifer Devil (BEING) or a SATAN beings excep Man Himself is a Devil and can be a SATAN , (ADVERSARY TO GOD) EVEN AS ADAM AND EVE WAS, BY GOING AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD. VISUALIZING THE WORD SATAN OR DEVIL AS A (BEING) IS THE PROBLEM INSTEAD OF A SPIRIT (INTELLECT) OF AN ADVERSARY TO GOD'S WORK even as Peter and Judas and the Pharisees were. THEY WERE ALL DEVILS AND DEMONS AND SATAN. Anyone can be a adversary (satan) or devil as scripture shows. The false teaching of the (MYSTERY RELIGION) changed the word Adversary into a BEING.  WE are told to come out of these false teachings, that we recieve not of HER PLAGUES. The plagues of believing in the false teachings are all kinds of Phobias that effect peoples lives.   IMO peace and love to you and Georg………………………….gene Gene, You cannot say mystery religions made Satan into a being how is it you made no comment on the part Irene wrote about the angels who left there place and became evil? Jude 1:6 And the Angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own habitation.  He has reserved in everylasting darkness for the judgemet of the great day. Angels are beings right? Angels are Spirits right? I don't think you can deny that there can be an angel that becomes an advesary Numbers 22:22-32 (King James Version) 22And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him. 23And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way. 24But the angel of the LORD stood in a path of the vineyards, a wall being on this side, and a wall on that side. 25And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again. 26And the angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right hand or to the left. 27And when the ass saw the angel of the LORD, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff. 28And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? 29And Balaam said unto the ass, Because thou hast mocked me: I would there were a sword in mine hand, for now would I kill thee. 30And the ass said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ass, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? and he said, Nay. 31Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way[/B, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.

Read on my friend there are much more said about Satan and his angels.
Irene

[GeneBalthrop]

BD…………..So the angle of the lord was a adversary to Balam , Yes his was a (SATAN) to Balam ,a adversary, but not to GOD. Adversary simply means against something, The problem is people connect a (Particular) Being with the word, a Begin can express a Satan attitude (adversarial) attitude that is. Even as Peter and Judas and the Pharisees did, and can be called a devil or satan, because of that attitude .

A Angle is a Being who has a body with Spirit in it. There is no one who is pure SPIRIT except GOD Himself. All others who have Spirit in them have bodies also. The word  spirit (Being) does not imply a Being who has no body of some kind even Jesus had a body after his resurrection.  I have never seen a real Being called (THE) devil, AND neither has anyone else seen this elusive Being called the devil, except people them selves these are the only devils i have ever seen. What about you please tell me what he looks like if you have seen him. DB while your looking around to see one , just look at your fellow man chances are there is your devils. IMO

gene

[NickHassan]

BD,
Is God interested in trivial human adversaries and feuds?
Is the bible written in relationship to mere men?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Gene @ Nov. 03 2009,14:12)

BD…………..So the angle of the lord was a adversary to Balam , Yes his was a (SATAN) to Balam ,a adversary, but not to GOD. Adversary simply means against something, The problem is people connect a (Particular) Being with the word, a Begin can express a Satan attitude (adversarial) attitude that is. Even as Peter and Judas and the Pharisees did, and can be called a devil or satan, because of that attitude . A Angle is a Being who has a body with Spirit in it. There is no one who is pure SPIRIT except GOD Himself. All others who have Spirit in them have bodies also. The word  spirit (Being) does not imply a Being who has no body of some kind even Jesus had a body after his resurrection.  I have never seen a real Being called (THE) devil, AND neither has anyone else seen this elusive Being called the devil, except people them selves these are the only devils i have ever seen. What about you please tell me what he looks like if you have seen him. DB while your looking around to see one , just look at your fellow man chances are there is your devils. IMO gene

We never see the words “pure sirit” because Spirit refers to something purely invisible. I never said that anyone was an adversary to God for I have always said that Satan is the enemy of Man. Yes, To become Satanic is to be a Satan and the fact is many spirit beings followed what was the first Satanic Spirit Being in the Quran this being had an actual name which was Ibliss and he was not an angel he was what is known as a Jinn another creation of God that was created before the creation of Man.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Islamic fantasy?

[georg]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 04 2009,06:33)

Quote (Gene @ Nov. 03 2009,14:12) BD…………..So the angle of the lord was a adversary to Balam , Yes his was a (SATAN) to Balam ,a adversary, but not to GOD. Adversary simply means against something, The problem is people connect a (Particular) Being with the word, a Begin can express a Satan attitude (adversarial) attitude that is. Even as Peter and Judas and the Pharisees did, and can be called a devil or satan, because of that attitude . A Angle is a Being who has a body with Spirit in it. There is no one who is pure SPIRIT except GOD Himself. All others who have Spirit in them have bodies also. The word  spirit (Being) does not imply a Being who has no body of some kind even Jesus had a body after his resurrection.  I have never seen a real Being called (THE) devil, AND neither has anyone else seen this elusive Being called the devil, except people them selves these are the only devils i have ever seen. What about you please tell me what he looks like if you have seen him. DB while your looking around to see one , just look at your fellow man chances are there is your devils. IMO gene We never see the words “pure sirit” because Spirit refers to something purely invisible. I never said that anyone was an adversary to God for I have always said that Satan is the enemy of Man. Yes, To become Satanic is to be a Satan and the fact is many spirit beings followed what was the first Satanic Spirit Being in the Quran this being had an actual name which was Ibliss and he was not an angel he was what is known as a Jinn another creation of God that was created before the creation of Man.

What!!! Another creation before man? You don't really believe this do you? That is way out!!!!!!
Irene

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