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So now we have intellect and Jesus did not cast evil spirits out of men that spoke with him?
You are going to have to write your own bible.Your words only sometimes reflect scripture so what should we say?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2010,11:56) G,
You have an odd idea of the nature of the mind if it is inhabited by intellects that come and go.
do you have your own personal intellect or only a collection of visitors?
Do you have a mind of your own?
Nick…………it is my hope I have the MIND of GOD, which was (IN) Christ Jesus also. “LET THIS (MIND) BE IN YOU THAT WAS ALSO (IN) CHRIST JESUS OUR Lord”.peace and love…………..gene
G,
Certainly out of the mouth comes what the heart is full of and taming the tongue is an ongoing task for all of us. Mastery of the tongue allows the Spirit of God to speak through those in whom God lives.But intellect is an unnecessary additional concept and you should drop it. Since it is a concept not of the Word of God your use of it does not indicate the work of that Holy Spirit through you does it?
Nick…….Depends if you understand what Spirit really Is> Nick think about what (LIFE) itself really (IS) maybe this will help you understand what i am saying.
peace and love……………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 01 2010,12:13) ……it is my hope I have the MIND of GOD, which was (IN) Christ Jesus also. “LET THIS (MIND) BE IN YOU THAT WAS ALSO (IN) CHRIST JESUS OUR Lord”. peace and love…………..gene
GeneHow can you even hope for that, when you don't believe his word. Don't you realise that when you distort the word of God, it's the same as calling him a liar?
Satan has you right were he wants you, not believing in him. Can you thing of a better camouflage, then for your enemy to make you believe he doesn't exist?
You don't even realise the danger you're in.Georg
G,
Jesus often spoke with the spirits within men.
He did with Peter too using the same words he used speaking with SATAN on the top of the temple.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 01 2010,04:34) ED J………Now go back and replace every where you see the word SATAN, with (advaserial (SPIRIT). It would read the same way Only the difference is that this adversarial Spirit (intellect) is With in Us and we all must with the help of GOD overcome it, or PUT IT UNDER OUR FEET, same thing. This Spirit also work out side of Us because it is in others also, and it (the SPIRIT) not a BEING, Has the power of the air and is everywhere in this world, controlling it. It is Not a BEING Operating in the childern of disobedience, in the world through People, Not out side of them as most think. There are no Beings jumping in and out of peopel controlling them , only a Mind set on self WILL and operating as an adversary to GOD. This is what caused the orginal sin and is still operation to this very day. IMO
Hi Gene,The messenger of an adversarial spirit?
2Cor:12:7: And lest I should be exalted above measure through
the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh,
the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.Do you think Paul had some adversarial spirit in mind?
1Tm:1:20: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander;
whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.Your intellectual logic doesn't seem to fit “Bible Truth”=117?
Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2010,14:08) G,
Jesus often spoke with the spirits within men.
He did with Peter too using the same words he used speaking with SATAN on the top of the temple.
Nick……..Was it a Being in Peter or was it (His) Spirit ,(INTELLECT) that he gained from the World that was the Adversary (Satan) of Christ. Do you think he just at that moment He suddenly became and adversary to Christ , buy some being Just taking over Him at that moment.Do you think Judas Just became an adversary of Christ at the Last supper, Or was He always a devil (adversary) of Christ. Jesus said early on, have i Not chosen you all and one of you is a (devil) or adversary .
Because i use the actual meaning of the word written there does not mean i am speaking un-scripturally. It is the false church and translator that produce the written word as a BEING going around controlling People. When in fact it is a Spirit (intellect) of disobedience that is.
Nick……..learn to understand scripture with the (ACTUAL) MEANINGS OF WORD USED IN THEM.
peace and love to you and your……………….gene
G,
So now the world is Satan?
The minds of men are hostage to the spirit of the world and must be transformed.Peter was yet a carnal man awaiting full freedom from the domain of darkness.
Even at the last supper he was warned that Satan had demanded permission to sift him like wheat[Lk22.34]Nothing had just entered him though that happened with Judas. Satan entered him.[Lk22.3]
Your offered meanings are not true to scripture.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 01 2010,12:13) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2010,11:56) G,
You have an odd idea of the nature of the mind if it is inhabited by intellects that come and go.
do you have your own personal intellect or only a collection of visitors?
Do you have a mind of your own?
Nick…………it is my hope I have the MIND of GOD, which was (IN) Christ Jesus also. “LET THIS (MIND) BE IN YOU THAT WAS ALSO (IN) CHRIST JESUS OUR Lord”.peace and love…………..gene
Geneyou can say many things but as for having the spirit ,I can not see it in the quotes you write,
what i am sure you have is a strong personality who try to convice many of what he believes is ,his understanding
and interpretation of scriptures.wen Christ told that he add Gods spirit he show it with his miracles.
wen the aposteles said that they add the spirit they also made miracles and spook the truth.
so if someone says he as the spirit in him he should at the least tell the truth.what is spell out in the scriptures some can not even read it right they have to invent the words.
for sure they have a spirit but not the spirit of Christ.
1Pe 4:11 If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
2Pe 2:18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error1Ti 6:4 he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
2Ti 2:14 Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen
understanding is from God ,who can be seen and confirmed by the word of God.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 02 2010,04:48) G,
So now the world is Satan?
The minds of men are hostage to the spirit of the world and must be transformed.Peter was yet a carnal man awaiting full freedom from the domain of darkness.
Even at the last supper he was warned that Satan had demanded permission to sift him like wheat[Lk22.34]Nothing had just entered him though that happened with Judas. Satan entered him.[Lk22.3]
Your offered meanings are not true to scripture.
Nick………You mean you don't know men are held hostage to the Spirit of disobedience that works in the World , seriously you don't know that.I did not say the world (was) (A) Satan But the adversarial Spirit (Intellect) is working in all the childern of disobedience. It was working in Peter and Judas as well as the Pharisees Also. Where did i say the World (ITSELF) was a SATAN , What i said was the world is under the sway of an (accusing and adversarial) (SPIRIT) (NOT) A BEING going around Jumping in and out of People. Satan in NOT a Being it is a (SPIRIT) (INTELLECT) That operates through People In the world, causing disobedience to GOD as was working In ADAM and EVE from the very beginning of man creation.
You said Nothing had Just entered Him , then you say “though that happened to Judas”, But yet Jesus said He Had chosen all of them and one of them was A DEVIL, Before this event took place, Judas lacked FAITH because He was destined for the roll he played in History.
Unless a Person has the (POWER) recieved BY the (HOLY SPIRT) or the (INTELLECT) of Truth (IN) Him He is subject to all of the world Pull and desires, “FOR (ALL) THAT IS (IN) THE WORLD , THE LUST OF THE FLESH, THE LUST OF LIFE AND THE (PRIDE) OF LIFE (COMES) FROM THE (WORLD) AND THE WORLD IS PASSINF AWAY AND THE (LUSTS) WITH IT> IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Luk 22:34….> And he said “I tell you, Peter, the #### shall not crow this day, before that thou shall thrice deny that thou Know Me.
Nick this is what you were refering to
Luk 22:31……> and the Lord said, Simon, Simon, Behold, Satan Hath desired to have you, that He (it) may sift you as wheat. ..32 But i have prayed for for thee, that faith fall not: and when thou art (CONVERTED), strengthen thy brethren.
Peter as all men are under the sway of this Spirit (Intellect) of disobedience as the disciples were (BEFORE) conversion. Jesus' prayer was that they would not Loss Faith.
Terraricca……….You (ACCUSING) MEAN NOTHING, and are the work of Your Master who you seem to serve. Here is something for you to chew on,
2 Peter 3:16……> As also in all epistles, speaking in the of things hard to be understood, which they that are (unlearned) and (unstable) wrest as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
G,
I do not think that verse applies to your odd understandings but you do?You deny the verse that says satan entered Judas?
The dominion of darkness cannot survive if it becomes divided as that is how the devil keeps control.
It is a kingdom under the management of the prince of darkness, the god of this world, but it cannot stand now the prince has been cast down by Jesus.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 03 2010,03:52) Terraricca……….You (ACCUSING) MEAN NOTHING, and are the work of Your Master who you seem to serve. Here is something for you to chew on, 2 Peter 3:16……> As also in all epistles, speaking in the of things hard to be understood, which they that are (unlearned) and (unstable) wrest as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
GENEthis does not apply to me but you;2Pe 3:16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
I DON'T USE WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT ,I DO NOT BRING NEW WORDS ,LIKE INTELLECT AND DECLARE THEM THE TRUTH AND CERTIFY THEM TO BE SO ,IN THE SCRIPTURES.
Nick………Yes it is called a “FREE” WILL, a WILL that thinks it is FREE to make its (OWN) decisions as to What is wrong or right for (ITSELF)> Not subjecting itself to the Will of GOD but of the WILL of man himself. This SPIRIT was in Adam and Eve, and is everywhere in the world today. It is indeed the Spirit (intellect) working in childern of disobedience. This Spirit (intellect) is an adversarial Spirit and comes from the world and has infected all at times, even PETER, We must overcome it with the SPIRIT of TRUTH given us from GOD as Jesus did also.
Nick the biggest problem Here is Not knowing what (SPIRIT) IS> Once you understand that then things fall into place . A SPIRIT IS (NOT) A PERSON, IT IS WHAT IS (IN) THE PERSON HIS INTELLECT OR MIND.
Nick…..Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of (ALL), and to the (SPIRITS) of just men made perfect.
What was the name of those Just (SPIRITS) of the just men, was it a Being of some kind or was it their (INTELLECTS) THERE MINDS THEY HAD.
Nick…….I believe there are SEVEN (DISTINCT) SPIRITS (INTELLECTS) OF ONE GOD. These seven work together to compose the Mind of ONE GOD. They are His eyes that go through out all the world as Revelations say they are. And they can cohabit us and all seven are (IN) Jesus now.
They are distinct from each other. The spirit of Truth, the Spirit of Wisdom, the Spirit of the knowledge of good and evil, the spirit of Fear, the spirit of Peace, the Spirit of an Adversary, the spirit of Sorrow. These are all intellects that effect our thinking and there are scriptures that personify them like Wisdom and a accusing and adversarial Spirit as a Satan , But the truth is none of these are beings as we understand beings , the are intellect and form thoughts in the minds of people.
Another problem that arises is that the word used for (He) can equally be used as and (IT) and of course that makes a Hugh difference in our perceptions of subject matter. For instance if i said the HOLY SPIRIT was there and (HE) prevents us, You would think that i was talking about a Person or Bring, like Trinitarians believe, But is i said the HOLY SPIRIT was there and (IT) prevent us , you would understand it differently. You could easily see that the HOLY Spirit was some other then a being of some kind and in fact it is not a being but an (INTELLECT) FROM GOD given us in our MINDS.
Are you following what i am saying Here. The problem is NOT understanding (WHAT) SPIRIT REALLY (IS) IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
G,
So there is a spirit called free will? Is it in our bible or only yours?You do not understand spirit at all it seems
Nick……….What i have said is A SPIRIT IS NOT A BEING , IT IS WHAT IS (IN )A BEING. A BEINGS (INTELLECT). You and some believe a spirit (IS) a Being . I have said the only Being that is completely (SPIRIT) is GOD, and He consists of (SEVEN DISTINCT SPIRITS WHICH (ARE) INTELLECTS. These Seven spirits (intellects) compose (ONE) GOD. Jesus has all seven Seven Spirits (intellects) (in) Him at present as shown in Revelations.
You have made a statement that i do no understand Spirit at all, OK then Please explain SPIRIT TO US THEN, making statements that you don't explain means nothing. So I await your explanation, please give it, instead of just making accusations.
peace and love……………………..gene
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