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Christians assume that they can only be saved but which Christians are we talking about?
the number of Christian denominations is about 39,000.
Tell me will all these be saved?
And if they are all saved why wouldn't it be conceivable that other religions could garner Salvation?
Does believing in the trinity or not even matter?
Does baptism, speaking in tongues or keeping the sabbath?
Hi Bo,
1 John 5:11-13
11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
This Is Written That You May Know 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
NASUIt says that he who does not have the Son, does not have life. The question in my mind is whether there is a second chance for those who did not meet the Son after Satan is taken away and locked up for 1000 years. Could they meet Him then even if they had died previously?
Hi BD,
Why would you assume a relationship between the sons of God and the whore?
What is the will of God? That you believe in His son.
No mention of later 'prophets”BD………..Jesus did say no man can come unto the FATHER except by or through Me. Now there is some debate as to what that actually means , for instance some think it means Only through Jesus , because we are not forgiven unless we except His payment for our sins, But others think it by being like Jesus is, is the only way we can approach GOD, there is also some merits to that also. Maybe its both, accepting his sacrifice for our sins and being conformed to his likeness, this is the way i believe it works. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
Quote (bodhitharta @ May 31 2009,15:47) Christians assume that they can only be saved but which Christians are we talking about? the number of Christian denominations is about 39,000.
Tell me will all these be saved?[/quote]
No! The saving of the righteous will be scarce. Belonging to a denomination does not make one righteous. Being righteous might bring one to the truth. We have the promise of God “seek, and ye shall find.”
Quote
And if they are all saved why wouldn't it be conceivable that other religions could garner Salvation?That is wisdom of the world, and works only on the misapplication of “if they all are save” when the reality is,
“few there be that find it.”Quote Does believing in the trinity or not even matter? yes. Because if we are to worship God alone, how can we worship what we do not know? And even trinitarians will tell you that their triune God is a mystery, an infinite God who finite men cannot understand.
But man is made in the image of a God whose understanding is infinite. Finite is not the image of the infinite. And God forbids ignorant worship.
Does baptism, speaking in tongues or keeping the sabbath?
You seem to be picking out the things that lead to Christ, and mixing them with the things that belong to the Jew's past.
We are baptised into Christ, and by so doing, have put on Christ.
Speaking in tongues was a gift of the Spirit until the scripture was completed; serving as a means by which the scriptures and preaching was verified. And keeping the sabbath was part of the Jewish dispensation, not the Christian.
I Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.Bodhitharta……………….trying to enter in in some other way will not work brother, we must come to GOD through the Sacrifice of Jesus, He is the only true way brother. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene
HI bodhitharta, I believe Paladin summed it up perfectly in quoteing 1Cor.15:22.
Remember …” being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,” (Eph.1:11)
Gods ways are not our ways, sometimes difficult to understand, but He (God) is in complete control at all times.
Scripture says in 1Cor.15:22-28 …22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ June 01 2009,05:44) HI bodhitharta, I believe Paladin summed it up perfectly in quoteing 1Cor.15:22. Remember …” being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,” (Eph.1:11)
Gods ways are not our ways, sometimes difficult to understand, but He (God) is in complete control at all times.
Scripture says in 1Cor.15:22-28 …22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)Blessings.
If “all” shall be vivified then it really wouldn't matter what is believed just like death in Adam was not dependent on belief.Quote (Gene @ May 31 2009,16:58) BD………..Jesus did say no man can come unto the FATHER except by or through Me. Now there is some debate as to what that actually means , for instance some think it means Only through Jesus , because we are not forgiven unless we except His payment for our sins, But others think it by being like Jesus is, is the only way we can approach GOD, there is also some merits to that also. Maybe its both, accepting his sacrifice for our sins and being conformed to his likeness, this is the way i believe it works. IMO peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
Except you forget that Jesus wasn't talking to everyone he clearly said that he came to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Of course those sheep cannot get in some other way he was their Messiah.Acts 5:30-32 (King James Version)
30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
repentance to Israel
Matthew 15:24 (King James Version)
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
This shows that his attention and comments were focused on the House of Israel
When Moses came who in the house of Israel could have access to God Almighty without Moses? Moses was the way, those who didn't go through him were put to death.
Quote (Paladin @ June 01 2009,01:04) Quote (bodhitharta @ May 31 2009,15:47) Christians assume that they can only be saved but which Christians are we talking about? the number of Christian denominations is about 39,000.
Tell me will all these be saved?
No! The saving of the righteous will be scarce. Belonging to a denomination does not make one righteous. Being righteous might bring one to the truth. We have the promise of God “seek, and ye shall find.”
Quote
And if they are all saved why wouldn't it be conceivable that other religions could garner Salvation?That is wisdom of the world, and works only on the misapplication of “if they all are save” when the reality is,
“few there be that find it.”Quote Does believing in the trinity or not even matter? yes. Because if we are to worship God alone, how can we worship what we do not know? And even trinitarians will tell you that their triune God is a mystery, an infinite God who finite men cannot understand.
But man is made in the image of a God whose understanding is infinite. Finite is not the image of the infinite. And God forbids ignorant worship.
Quote
Does baptism, speaking in tongues or keeping the sabbath?You seem to be picking out the things that lead to Christ, and mixing them with the things that belong to the Jew's past.
We are baptised into Christ, and by so doing, have put on Christ.
Speaking in tongues was a gift of the Spirit until the scripture was completed; serving as a means by which the scriptures and preaching was verified. And keeping the sabbath was part of the Jewish dispensation, not the Christian.
I Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
If that statement holds true then just as everyone regardless of belief died in Adam then everyone regardless of belief shall “all” be made alive.Who “accepted” Adam as their personal destroyer?
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 01 2009,05:51) Quote (chosenone @ June 01 2009,05:44) HI bodhitharta, I believe Paladin summed it up perfectly in quoteing 1Cor.15:22. Remember …” being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,” (Eph.1:11)
Gods ways are not our ways, sometimes difficult to understand, but He (God) is in complete control at all times.
Scripture says in 1Cor.15:22-28 …22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)Blessings.
If “all” shall be vivified then it really wouldn't matter what is believed just like death in Adam was not dependent on belief.
Hi BD,
IN CHRIST all will be made alive in the life of God.
Those outside of the life of God found in Jesus are the truly dead.We must preach the gospel and let the dead bury the dead
Hi Bo,
This passage has been on my mind since I posted my last comment here:Matt 25:31-46
The Judgment 31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
32 “All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.'
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
38 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
39 'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
40 “The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'
41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.'
44 “Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?'
45 “Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
46 “These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
NASUThis story strikes me as saying something significant. Perhaps we can be known by the Son but not realize who He is. Perhaps those who haven't had the true teaching given them but have faith in something greater than themselves and love for others and they demonstrate it by caring for the “least of these”…well, just perhaps the Son knows them as His own and He will not say depart from me, I never knew you. He will instead place them on His right side and they will receive eternal life. I'm still wondering about this.
God bless,
KathiHi LU,
“THESE MY BROTHERS”
It is works done towards the reborn sons which bring salvation to those who never themselves entered the way.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2009,06:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 01 2009,05:51) Quote (chosenone @ June 01 2009,05:44) HI bodhitharta, I believe Paladin summed it up perfectly in quoteing 1Cor.15:22. Remember …” being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,” (Eph.1:11)
Gods ways are not our ways, sometimes difficult to understand, but He (God) is in complete control at all times.
Scripture says in 1Cor.15:22-28 …22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)Blessings.
If “all” shall be vivified then it really wouldn't matter what is believed just like death in Adam was not dependent on belief.
Hi BD,
IN CHRIST all will be made alive in the life of God.
Those outside of the life of God found in Jesus are the truly dead.We must preach the gospel and let the dead bury the dead
You take “In Christ” to be different than “In Adam”?The point is “ALL”, if All were in Adam without consent or acceptance of Adam then what to say about Jesus?
Quote (Lightenup @ June 01 2009,06:52) Hi Bo,
This passage has been on my mind since I posted my last comment here:Matt 25:31-46
The Judgment 31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
32 “All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.'
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
38 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
39 'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
40 “The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'
41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.'
44 “Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?'
45 “Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
46 “These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
NASUThis story strikes me as saying something significant. Perhaps we can be known by the Son but not realize who He is. Perhaps those who haven't had the true teaching given them but have faith in something greater than themselves and love for others and they demonstrate it by caring for the “least of these”…well, just perhaps the Son knows them as His own and He will not say depart from me, I never knew you. He will instead place them on His right side and they will receive eternal life. I'm still wondering about this.
God bless,
Kathi
This was my point exactly.He even states that not everyone who says “Lord, lord will be saved. These people may have even healed the sick and cast out demons in his name but yet he will say get away from me.
These are people who clearly think they are saved and followers of Christ and even have power to heal and cast out demons but Jesus says get away from me but then Jesus tells in another place this:
Luke 10 (King James Version)
25And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
29But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
Jesus tells him this is the way to eternal life.
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 01 2009,07:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2009,06:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 01 2009,05:51) Quote (chosenone @ June 01 2009,05:44) HI bodhitharta, I believe Paladin summed it up perfectly in quoteing 1Cor.15:22. Remember …” being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,” (Eph.1:11)
Gods ways are not our ways, sometimes difficult to understand, but He (God) is in complete control at all times.
Scripture says in 1Cor.15:22-28 …22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)Blessings.
If “all” shall be vivified then it really wouldn't matter what is believed just like death in Adam was not dependent on belief.
Hi BD,
IN CHRIST all will be made alive in the life of God.
Those outside of the life of God found in Jesus are the truly dead.We must preach the gospel and let the dead bury the dead
You take “In Christ” to be different than “In Adam”?The point is “ALL”, if All were in Adam without consent or acceptance of Adam then what to say about Jesus?
Hi BD,
There is no currently accepted family relationship between God and Adam.
You must be reborn into the second Adam, Jesus Christ.In him is life.
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 01 2009,07:20) Quote (Lightenup @ June 01 2009,06:52) Hi Bo,
This passage has been on my mind since I posted my last comment here:Matt 25:31-46
The Judgment 31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
32 “All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.'
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
38 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
39 'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
40 “The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'
41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.'
44 “Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?'
45 “Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
46 “These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
NASUThis story strikes me as saying something significant. Perhaps we can be known by the Son but not realize who He is. Perhaps those who haven't had the true teaching given them but have faith in something greater than themselves and love for others and they demonstrate it by caring for the “least of these”…well, just perhaps the Son knows them as His own and He will not say depart from me, I never knew you. He will instead place them on His right side and they will receive eternal life. I'm still wondering about this.
God bless,
Kathi
This was my point exactly.He even states that not everyone who says “Lord, lord will be saved. These people may have even healed the sick and cast out demons in his name but yet he will say get away from me.
These are people who clearly think they are saved and followers of Christ and even have power to heal and cast out demons but Jesus says get away from me but then Jesus tells in another place this:
Luke 10 (King James Version)
25And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
29But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
Jesus tells him this is the way to eternal life.
Hi BD,
Jesus taught the Jews about the Law.
They asked him questions and he answered them
But we are not Jews and have never been under their Law.
Salvation or us is in rebirth from above and not obedience to the OT Law.Quote (bodhitharta @ June 01 2009,05:51) If “all” shall be vivified then it really wouldn't matter what is believed just like death in Adam was not dependent on belief.
This is a wrong perspective on reality. The reason being, the circumstances are not the same for us that were for Adam.
Remember, he had access to the tree of life when he made his option selection made known to God.
But God removed man from access to the tree of life when he removed Adam from the garden.
Since the death of every man is assured by the action of Adam, our choice in Christ is just the opposite. In this event we each have to make our own choice. It is not a group option sellection.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2009,07:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 01 2009,07:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 01 2009,06:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 01 2009,05:51) Quote (chosenone @ June 01 2009,05:44) HI bodhitharta, I believe Paladin summed it up perfectly in quoteing 1Cor.15:22. Remember …” being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,” (Eph.1:11)
Gods ways are not our ways, sometimes difficult to understand, but He (God) is in complete control at all times.
Scripture says in 1Cor.15:22-28 …22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)Blessings.
If “all” shall be vivified then it really wouldn't matter what is believed just like death in Adam was not dependent on belief.
Hi BD,
IN CHRIST all will be made alive in the life of God.
Those outside of the life of God found in Jesus are the truly dead.We must preach the gospel and let the dead bury the dead
You take “In Christ” to be different than “In Adam”?The point is “ALL”, if All were in Adam without consent or acceptance of Adam then what to say about Jesus?
Hi BD,
There is no currently accepted family relationship between God and Adam.
You must be reborn into the second Adam, Jesus Christ.In him is life.
Adam is called the son of God in the NTLuke 3:37-38 (King James Version)
38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
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