Salvation for everyone

Participant

Terricca………….It also says….> “If YOU (BEING) Evil know how to give good gifts unto your childern, how much more will God give His Spirit to them that ask”. Maybe you should look at the intent of YOUR Heart More instead of foaming out accusations and condemnations on others. That would be a good start for you. We all know GOD will Judge the ungodly and even ourselves are being Judged NOW , “For Judgment begins at the House of GOD” non escapes judgement, But despite all the Fiery trials that try us , it is the accusers of the Brethern that will recieve the worst Judgements of all. IMO

peace and love……………………….gene

September 8, 2010 at 4:54 pm#215482

Participant

To ALL……………..Consider this….. Mat21: 31 …> Whether of them twain did the will of his Father? they said unto him , the first, Jesus said unto them, Verily (truly) I say unto you, (the chief Priest and Elders ) That the publicans and the HARLOTS (GO INTO) THE KINGDOM OF GOD (BEFORE) YOU. We need to be careful who we call evil and Wicked. Anyone who comes here and begins to accuse others who he knows nothing about his or her present or past life or their association with GOD or Jesus need to watch their mouths when it comes to spewing out accusations of other. Jesus said he did not come to condemn anyone, but to save that should be our attitude also. IMO

peace and love to you all………………………………….gene

September 8, 2010 at 4:55 pm#215483

Participant

To All…………….Meant to say in the above post the the word BEFORE YOU implys that they also will eventually go into the Kingdom also. IMO

peace and Love to you all……………………………gene

September 8, 2010 at 7:12 pm#215490

Participant

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 08 2010,22:02)

Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 08 2010,23:18)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 08 2010,15:09)

Another Question:
WE are Saved from What?

Death. 1Cor.15:26

God Bless.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN SCRIPTURES???

Pierre

A more accurate description of Ro.11:24-28…

24 If a wild graft can be introduced into a cultivated tree with good results, how much better will it be to graft back the good branches!

25 The secret that Israel's present condition is not permanent, but only untill all who were chosen are called out of the nations, has never been generally believed, hence the haughty attitude of Christendom toward Israel.

26 Only a few, comparatively, are being saved among the nations, but when Israel again regains its proper place, all Israel shall be saved. Then the whole nation, from the least to the greatest, will know God. And they will become the light of the world, as they were always intended to be.

28 Let us always remember that Israel is still beloved, whatever its present attitude toward God.

The statement made…

Quote

this is not earthly Israel he is talking about but the heavenly

…does not agree with scripture!

September 8, 2010 at 7:14 pm#215491

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,21:06)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,13:52)

Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 08 2010,13:16)

For SF and anyone interested.

A lengthly explanation, for anyone thats interested.

The Living God

THE SALVATION OF THE UNBELIEVER

AS GOD is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of those who believe (1 Tim.4:10), we may confidently rest on one grand and glorious foundation truth–that all salvation is of God, and neither believer nor unbeliever has any part in it. On the one hand this assures us of the possibility of saving all men, for God alone is able, and, on the other, it bars out all human schemes for their restoration, whether by works, or suffering, by giving them a second chance, or by any cause whatever which originates in man. Those who believe are saved by His grace (Rom.4:16); those who do not believe are saved through His judgments, but in both it is He alone Who is Saviour.
Faith is but the channel of grace; it does not produce salvation. Judgment is but a means He uses, a process which leads to the opening of the unbeliever’s eyes. It does not remove his guilt or cleanse a single sin. That is done wholly and solely by the blood of Christ. Every effort to bring about the ultimate salvation of all through the purgatorial or penitential sufferings of the sinner is a denial of this great truth. Judgments do not save, but the God Who judges is also the Saviour, and all His dealings with mankind are governed by the grand goal which He has set before Him–to become All in all His creatures.
In setting forth the process by means of which God brings the unbeliever back to Himself we must remember that few believers are able to analyze the method used in their own salvation. Now, if we are not able to explain our own experience, how shall we understand His method with others? Yet, strange as it may seem, God’s dealings with the unbeliever are much more easily apprehended than His way with us. The very simplicity of faith baffles us. Most theological systems seek to base belief on evidence, and speak of “Christian evidences” as the foundation of the believer’s salvation. This is, rather, the method He uses in the deliverance of the unbeliever.

FAITH AND EVIDENCES

The case of Thomas is an example of the overpowering force of evidence where faith is wanting (John 20:26-29). No man can long withstand the testimony of his senses, even when (unlike Thomas) his interests may be opposed.
The tangible proofs given to support the proclamation of the kingdom affords a rich field for the study of the effect of evidence on the human heart. The unbeliever will be saved by sight. He will yield to the force of facts. He will be convinced by logic. What evidence is most suited for this purpose? In our Lord’s ministry we can see both the helps and the hindrances offered by the senses. The consideration of a few cases will reveal what most moves men and what makes them obstinate.
The rich young man was hindered by his possessions. The Samaritans were helped by the Lord’s words. The resurrection of Lazarus led many Jews to rely on His acts. These illustrate God’s method in the judgment of the unbeliever. He removes hindrances–no earthly acquisitions interfere with the decisions of the heart, for both heaven and earth flee from the face of Him Who sits on the throne. He works the greatest possible miracle, by raising them from the dead. He reads the inmost secret of their hearts. He appears in their very presence in soul-dismaying splendor. They cannot doubt His power or His perfections, and no motive remains to lead them to deceive themselves.
The judgment of unbelievers takes place in the interval between the passing of this present earth and the creation of the new. Every tie which bound them to the earth has been burned up. They are the subjects of the most astounding miracle ever wrought, having been raised from the dead. They are in the presence of the Divine Majesty. Their secrets are bared to His awful gaze. The character of their judgment, being adjusted to their acts, not simply as to severity but so as to correct them, will reveal God’s purpose to save and reconcile them to Himself. This, followed by their death in the lake of fire and subsequent vivification at the consummation, is the basis of their reconciliation through the blood of the cross (Col.1:20).
The excuses offered by those who were bidden to the great supper (Luke 14:18) are all removed before the great white throne. No fields or oxen or wives will intrude between the spirit and the great Judge.
In the judgment day God will judge the hidden things of humanity (Rom.2:16). We are prone to consider this a mere exhibition of His omniscience, to facilitate the trial of the sinner and to insure his condemnation. But more than this, it cannot but have a most powerful effect on the unbeliever’s attitude toward Christ. What was it that impressed the woman of Samaria (John 4:19,29)? It was His knowledge of her hidden secrets. As a result we read that many of the Samaritans of that city believe in Him because of the woman’s word that He told her all that she had done (John 4:39).
The blessed results achieved by His exposure of the woman at Sychar’s spring will be multiplied by many millions at the great white throne. There is nothing hidden that shall not be manifested (Matt.10:26). As in Corinth, the hidden things of the unbeliever’s heart become apparent, and, falling on his face, he will worship God (1 Cor.14:25).
Perhaps no miracle wrought by our Lord and His apostles created a stronger conviction than that of raising the dead. When Lazarus was raised many of the rulers believed, and the chief priests were concerned lest all should believe on Him because of this sign (John 11:45,48). When Peter raised Dorcas it also was used to convince many who believed on the Lord. Can we imagine what conviction it must have brought to Lazarus and to Dorcas themselves, if they should have had the slightest tendency to doubt? Could there have been any stronger proof of divine power than that their very life had come back to them at the bidding of One Who is stronger than death? In the process of winning the unbeliever we judge their resurrection and final vivification to be ample to account for salvation and reconciliation entering their lives.

SAUL OF TARSUS

The apostle Paul’s case is of surpassing significance in its bearing on the salvation of unbelievers. He was the foremost of sinners, and it cannot be denied that, among men, there was no case quite as desperate as his. All question as to God’s ability to save vanishes in the light of his call on the Damascus road. The miraculous means employed in his case surely would suffice for every one of God’s enemies. And who will deny, on sober reflection, that the appalling power and glory of the august judgment session into which the unbeliever is ushered by his resurrection will be unutterably more impressive?
The apostle’s vision passed. He came back to a scene where all was as before. He alone had changed. But the unbeliever sees the power and presence of God not only in his own deliverance from death, but in all around him. The vision does not vanish. The divine presence abides.

GOD AS JUDGE

The change which eventuates in the ultimate salvation of the unbeliever is wrought, not only by his resurr
ection, but by the august judgment session, when he stands in the presence of Christ, with all his unbelief swept away by the awful realization of His power and the justice of His throne. We are asked, Is it possible for them to repent? Rather, we would like to know, Is it possible for them not to repent, or change their minds? We cannot conceive an unrepentant sinner before the great white throne.
God’s thoughts and man’s imaginations are nowhere more at variance than on the subject of judgment, or punishment. God is love; man is hate. David was wise when he was given the choice of fleeing before his enemies or falling into the hand of Yahweh. He uttered a great truth when he exclaimed “Let us fall, I pray, into the hand of Yahweh, for His compassions are abundant; but let me not fall into the hand of humanity.” And surely his choice was vindicated, for when the messenger was stretching out his hand in destruction toward Jerusalem, Yahweh showed Himself merciful, and said, “Enough, now hold back your hand” (2 Sam.24:10-16).

NINEVEH

Jonah went through the streets of Nineveh, crying: “Forty days more and Nineveh shall be overturned!” (Jonah 3:4). But God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and He regretted the evil He said He would do unto them. “And He did it not” (Jonah 3:10). And what did Jonah do? Was he not pleased at the success of his mission? Did he not glory in the character of His God? Alas! he was like the many today. Like Jonah, they imagine that God has a streak of hate in His character and that He wanted to destroy Nineveh to give it exercise. But He had an object in threatening its destruction. Now that they repented and the object was attained, why should He belie His character and destroy them from sheer vindictiveness? Jonah’s God was a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of much benignity, and regretting of the evil which He had threatened (Jonah 4:2).

DESTRUCTION

The thought that the resurrection and judgment of the unbeliever is only a prelude to his final “destruction” in the lake of fire must be judged by its moral effect, for it has no support whatever in the Scriptures. In the first place “destruction” (by which annihilation or extinction of being is intended), is never used of the lake of fire or of the second death. It is always used of the sinner before his resurrection at the great white throne. Those who are “destroyed” in Gehenna will be there. Those who “perished” in the wilderness and at the flood will be raised. “Destruction” is never annihilation. It never precludes resurrection and salvation. Indeed, it is a necessary precursor of salvation. The Lord came to seek and to save the “destroyed” (lost). So that, even if there were a single passage telling us that the unbeliever is “destroyed” in the second death (which there is not) we would still have every reason to believe God when He assured us that all who are dying in Adam shall be made alive in Christ (1 Cor.15:22).
Let no one suppose that we plead for the repeal of God’s word regarding the doom of the unbeliever. Far from it. But we do plead for the removal of those harsh, human perversions of His word, which seek to make Him a man like ourselves, hateful and hating one another, vindictive and vicious in our views of the so-called “penalties” of sin. We plead for a revision of our vocabulary on this important theme.
The terms destroy and destruction are so often used of irrecoverable ruin that a few examples will be given to show how far this is from the truth. The rendering “lost” is always the translation of the word for destroy. It would be the utmost folly for the Son of Mankind to seek, much less to save those who are annihilated. The lost sheep and the lost coin and the lost prodigal all had been destroyed, yet all were found and saved. Were the whole world lost or destroyed in the lake of fire, that would be no hindrance to salvation. Rather, it would be the very sphere in which alone salvation can operate. Christ cannot save anyone unless first he is destroyed, or lost.

GOD IS THE SAVIOUR

Such is the salvation of the unbeliever. It is not only in absolute accord with every passage in the word of God, but in utmost harmony with the God Who is revealed through that word. How can anyone who truly loves Him rest satisfied with less than this, the only true, the only scriptural solution?
Let those who are fond of reasoning about the destiny of the universe accept their own premises and follow them out logically and the inevitable conclusion will be a universal reconciliation. Try it and see. All will acknowledge these premises:

God is love, therefore
God is omnipotent, therefore

God is not love if He will not do all He can for His creatures, neither is He omnipotent if He is unable to save them. Both revelation and reason are arrayed against the false delusion of unending torment for the unbeliever. It degrades the sacrifice of Christ to a mere attempt to remedy an evil which it cannot cure. O, my brethren, why do you limit His love, why do you paralyze His power? Is the Christ Who saved you capable of completing His work by saving all like you? Or, if He can, why will He not?
Confess that this terrible doctrine cannot but lead you to doubt His perfections. It brings you up to a blank wall, to a pit of dense darkness. But the blessed truth opens up a glorious vista flooded with the love light of God.

THE JUST JUDGMENT OF GOD

But, we are told, God’s justice demands judgment. There is truth in this. But if God’s justice must be displayed at the expense of His love, the extinction of the unbeliever in the lake of fire, far from forever removing an eyesore from the universe, places a blot upon His character which eternity itself can never erase. If we do not doubt His willingness to save them, then we must acknowledge His inability. If we cannot question His power, then we must limit His love, and then we endanger the very foundation on which all eternal bliss must be established.
But we do not need to rest on reason. At best, it is usually the refuge of unbelief. God has spoken, and real reason rests on His revelation. He is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of those who believe. God give us grace to glory in such a God!
In the opening chapters of Romans Paul lays the foundation on which God’s just judgment is based. He closes his indictment of mankind with these words: “. . . God’s just statute, that such as are committing them are deserving of death . . .” (Rom.1:32). As the first death cannot be the effect of any judicial procedure on God’s part, it is evident that the death penalty awaits all who come into the judgment. Whatever may be the variety and degree of the tribulation and anguish meted out to each, one common end awaits them all–the second death.

VIVIFIED IN CHRIST

But, some will ask, if they were condemned to death, how can they be raised again? What right have they to the grace and life that will be their portion? We answer, none. They will have no more claim on the ecstatic bliss of that unending day than I or you, or any believer! What right have we? None at all. But in Christ we have a perfect title to every favor. So it will be with the unbeliever. It is not written that “Even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also shall all be vivified,” but “thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified” (1 Cor.15:22). Adam’s death involves all, irrespective of their deserts. Christ’s life extends to all, apart from their personal merits.
And here is where the unbeliever learns to love God. The judgment has exposed his own unworthiness. The grace of vivification will illumine his heart with the love of God in Christ. Then shall be fulfilled God’s universal goal:

“. . . to Me will bow every knee,
And every tongue w
ill be
acclaiming God.”

This is the method He will use to bend the stubborn knees. He will not use physical force but moral suasion. Neither will He wring out a confession of sin from every tongue. The Greek word as here used means acclaim, which involves a complete acknowledgment and acquiescence in the divine will.
The crowning and conclusive exhibition of God’s power and love toward the unbeliever awaits the consummation. The eons are past. All sin is banished. Evil is no more. The Son of God has nearly completed His mediatorial work. All the living are in perfect accord with God. Nothing remains but the conquest of death and the reconciliation of its denizens. It is the only enemy left in all God’s universe. Then, and not till then will the vast concourse of mankind emerge from the domain of death never to enter it again. Then death will be despoiled, the last enemy laid low. Then shall all awake to live in the light and love of Him Who will have become the Saviour of all mankind.

A. E. Knoch
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HI Chosenone,

What is this an explanation of?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Jerry,

You haven't answered my question?

Hi Jerry,

Still no response?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

September 8, 2010 at 7:48 pm#215492

SimplyForgiven

Participant

Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 08 2010,10:18)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 08 2010,15:09)

Another Question:
WE are Saved from What?

Death. 1Cor.15:26

God Bless.

Death? How is that so if you have just said there is no seperation eternally from God.

September 8, 2010 at 7:51 pm#215493

SimplyForgiven

Participant

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 08 2010,21:54)

peace and love to you all………………………………….gene

would it matter?
Dont you believe that everyone will be saved no matter what they do? so why would you stop them?

September 9, 2010 at 12:03 am#215518

Participant

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 09 2010,06:48)

Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 08 2010,10:18)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 08 2010,15:09)

Another Question:
WE are Saved from What?

Death. 1Cor.15:26

God Bless.

Death? How is that so if you have just said there is no seperation eternally from God.

Resurrection.

September 9, 2010 at 12:05 am#215519

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2010,06:14)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,21:06)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,13:52)

Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 08 2010,13:16)

For SF and anyone interested.

A lengthly explanation, for anyone thats interested.

The Living God

THE SALVATION OF THE UNBELIEVER

FAITH AND EVIDENCES

SAUL OF TARSUS

GOD AS JUDGE

The change which eventuates in the ultimate salvation of the unbeliever is wrought, not only by his resurrection, but by the august judgment session, when he stands in the presence of Christ, with all his unbelief swept away by the awful realization of His power and the justice of His throne. We are asked, Is it possible for them to repent? Rather, we would like to know, Is it possible for them not to repent, or change their minds? We cannot conceive an unrepentant sinner before the great white throne.
God’s thoughts and man’s imaginations are nowhere more at variance than on the subject of judgment, or punishment. God is love; man is hate. David was wise when he was given the choice of fleeing before his enemies or falling into the hand of Yahweh. He uttered a great truth when he exclaimed “Let us fall, I pray, into the hand of Yahweh, for His compassions are abundant; but let me not fall into the hand of humanity.” And surely his choice was vindicated, for when the messenger was stretching out his hand in destruction toward Jerusalem, Yahweh showed Himself merciful, and said, “Enough, now hold back your hand” (2 Sam.24:10-16).

NINEVEH

DESTRUCTION

GOD IS THE SAVIOUR

God is love, therefore
God is omnipotent, therefore

THE JUST JUDGMENT OF GOD

VIVIFIED IN CHRIST

But, some will ask, if they were condemned to death, how can they be raised again? What right have they to the grace and life that will be their portion? We answer, none. They will have no more claim on the ecstatic bliss of that unending day than I or you, or any believer! What right have we? None at all. But in Christ we have a perfect title to every favor. So it will be with the unbeliever. It is not written that “Even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also shall all be vivified,” but “thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified” (1 Cor.15:22). Adam’s death involves all, irrespective of their deserts. Christ’s life extends to all, apart from their personal merits.
And here is where the unbeliever learns to love God. The judgment has exposed his ow
n unworthiness. The grace of vivification will illumine his heart with the love of God in Christ. Then shall be fulfilled God’s universal goal:

“. . . to Me will bow every knee,
And every tongue will be
acclaiming God.”

A. E. Knoch
——————————————————————————–

HI Chosenone,

What is this an explanation of?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Jerry,

You haven't answered my question?

Hi Jerry,

Still no response?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Sorry for the delay in answering. The answer is “All mankind will be saved”.

Jerry.

September 9, 2010 at 12:06 am#215520

Participant

SF………….Yes it does matter, all persons shall be saved (YET AS BY FIRE) OR or better put “yet he shall be saved by Fire (judgement)”. I do believe ultimately all will be saved , but that does not negate Gods Judgements to refine and cause him or her to repent. Every sin will recieve its JUST Recompense> IMO

peace and love…………………………gene

September 9, 2010 at 12:10 am#215522

Participant

Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 09 2010,11:05)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2010,06:14)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,21:06)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,13:52)

Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 08 2010,13:16)

For SF and anyone interested.

A lengthly explanation, for anyone thats interested.

The Living God

THE SALVATION OF THE UNBELIEVER

FAITH AND EVIDENCES

SAUL OF TARSUS

The apostle Paul’s case is of surpassing significance in its bearing on the salvation of unbelievers. He was the foremost of sinners, and it cannot be denied that, among men, there was no case quite as desperate as his. All question as to God’s ability to save vanishes in the light of his call on the Damascus road. The miraculous means employed in his case surely would suffice for every one of God’s enemies. And who will deny, on sober reflection, that the appalling power and glory of the august judgment session into which the unbeliever is ushered by his resurrection will be unutterably more impressive?
The apos
tle’s vision passed. He came back to a scene where all was as before. He alone had changed. But the unbeliever sees the power and presence of God not only in his own deliverance from death, but in all around him. The vision does not vanish. The divine presence abides.

GOD AS JUDGE

The change which eventuates in the ultimate salvation of the unbeliever is wrought, not only by his resurrection, but by the august judgment session, when he stands in the presence of Christ, with all his unbelief swept away by the awful realization of His power and the justice of His throne. We are asked, Is it possible for them to repent? Rather, we would like to know, Is it possible for them not to repent, or change their minds? We cannot conceive an unrepentant sinner before the great white throne.
God’s thoughts and man’s imaginations are nowhere more at variance than on the subject of judgment, or punishment. God is love; man is hate. David was wise when he was given the choice of fleeing before his enemies or falling into the hand of Yahweh. He uttered a great truth when he exclaimed “Let us fall, I pray, into the hand of Yahweh, for His compassions are abundant; but let me not fall into the hand of humanity.” And surely his choice was vindicated, for when the messenger was stretching out his hand in destruction toward Jerusalem, Yahweh showed Himself merciful, and said, “Enough, now hold back your hand” (2 Sam.24:10-16).

NINEVEH

DESTRUCTION

GOD IS THE SAVIOUR

God is love, therefore
God is omnipotent, therefore

THE JUST JUDGMENT OF GOD

VIVIFIED IN CHRIST

But, some will ask, if they were condemned to death, how can they be raised again? What right have they to the grace and life that will be their portion? We answer, none. They will have no more claim on the ecstatic bliss of that unending day than I or you, or any believer! What right have we? None at all. But in Christ we have a perfect title to every favor. So it will be with the unbeliever. It is not written that “Even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also shall all be vivified,” but “thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified” (1 C
or.15:22). Adam’s death involves all, irrespective of their deserts. Christ’s life extends to all, apart from their personal merits.
And here is where the unbeliever learns to love God. The judgment has exposed his own unworthiness. The grace of vivification will illumine his heart with the love of God in Christ. Then shall be fulfilled God’s universal goal:

“. . . to Me will bow every knee,
And every tongue will be
acclaiming God.”

A. E. Knoch
——————————————————————————–

HI Chosenone,

What is this an explanation of?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Jerry,

You haven't answered my question?

Hi Jerry,

Still no response?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Sorry for the delay in answering. The answer is “All mankind will be saved”.

Jerry.

Hi Jerry,

Can you highlight that part (for me)
so I don't have to read through all the other various propaganda opinions?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

September 9, 2010 at 12:17 am#215524

Participant

Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 09 2010,11:05)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2010,06:14)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,21:06)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 08 2010,13:52)

Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 08 2010,13:16)

For SF and anyone interested.

A lengthly explanation, for anyone thats interested.

The Living God

THE SALVATION OF THE UNBELIEVER

FAITH AND EVIDENCES

SAUL OF TARSUS

The apostle Paul’s case is of surpassing significance in its bearing on the salvation of unbelievers. He was the foremost of sinners, and it cannot be denied that, among men, there was no case quite as desperate as his. All question as to God’s ability to save vanishes in the light of his call on the Damascus road. The miraculous means employed in his case surely would suffice for every one of God’s enemies. And who will deny, on sober reflection, that the appalling power and glory of the august judgment session into which the unbeliever is ushered by his resurrection will be unutterably more impressive?
The apos
tle’s vision passed. He came back to a scene where all was as before. He alone had changed. But the unbeliever sees the power and presence of God not only in his own deliverance from death, but in all around him. The vision does not vanish. The divine presence abides.

GOD AS JUDGE

The change which eventuates in the ultimate salvation of the unbeliever is wrought, not only by his resurrection, but by the august judgment session, when he stands in the presence of Christ, with all his unbelief swept away by the awful realization of His power and the justice of His throne. We are asked, Is it possible for them to repent? Rather, we would like to know, Is it possible for them not to repent, or change their minds? We cannot conceive an unrepentant sinner before the great white throne.
God’s thoughts and man’s imaginations are nowhere more at variance than on the subject of judgment, or punishment. God is love; man is hate. David was wise when he was given the choice of fleeing before his enemies or falling into the hand of Yahweh. He uttered a great truth when he exclaimed “Let us fall, I pray, into the hand of Yahweh, for His compassions are abundant; but let me not fall into the hand of humanity.” And surely his choice was vindicated, for when the messenger was stretching out his hand in destruction toward Jerusalem, Yahweh showed Himself merciful, and said, “Enough, now hold back your hand” (2 Sam.24:10-16).

NINEVEH

DESTRUCTION

GOD IS THE SAVIOUR

God is love, therefore
God is omnipotent, therefore

THE JUST JUDGMENT OF GOD

VIVIFIED IN CHRIST

But, some will ask, if they were condemned to death, how can they be raised again? What right have they to the grace and life that will be their portion? We answer, none. They will have no more claim on the ecstatic bliss of that unending day than I or you, or any believer! What right have we? None at all. But in Christ we have a perfect title to every favor. So it will be with the unbeliever. It is not written that “Even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also shall all be vivified,” but “thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified” (1 C
or.15:22). Adam’s death involves all, irrespective of their deserts. Christ’s life extends to all, apart from their personal merits.
And here is where the unbeliever learns to love God. The judgment has exposed his own unworthiness. The grace of vivification will illumine his heart with the love of God in Christ. Then shall be fulfilled God’s universal goal:

“. . . to Me will bow every knee,
And every tongue will be
acclaiming God.”

A. E. Knoch
——————————————————————————–

HI Chosenone,

What is this an explanation of?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Jerry,

You haven't answered my question?

Hi Jerry,

Still no response?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Sorry for the delay in answering. The answer is “All mankind will be saved”.

Jerry.

((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Edit)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Hi Jerry,

Can you highlight that part (for me)
so I don't have to weed through all the other various propaganda opinions?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

September 9, 2010 at 12:21 am#215527

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Ed J.
The last sentence… Then death will be despoiled, the last enemy laid low. Then shall all awake to live in the light and love of Him Who will have become the Saviour of all mankind.

Jerry.

September 9, 2010 at 12:53 am#215531

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Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 09 2010,11:21)

Ed J.
The last sentence… Then death will be despoiled, the last enemy laid low. Then shall all awake to live in the light and love of Him Who will have become the Saviour of all mankind.

Jerry.

Hi Jerry,

Thank you.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

September 10, 2010 at 6:26 am#215702

SimplyForgiven

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 09 2010,05:06)

peace and love…………………………gene

Gene than you strongly disagree with Chosenone,
he said that there is no need to repent.
So what is the point to preach?
or to tell anyone about God.

Therefore in fact i can start sinning right now without any worries because whether i am pruged by fire or by simply being “saved” from “nothing” ,
death is not possible if i was saved from the beginning so therefore death was never an issue.

Therefore i can do whatever i want and not worry.
Is this true Gene, Chosenone?

i mean if this is true, than i should put away my bible, and never talk about God again, becuase heck im going to be saved anyways no matter what i do.

Point being there is nothing to be saved from.
Its not possible for mankind to die, because all of them will be saved, so for that possilibilty not to exist, there is no salvation but a eternal life from the beginnning.

is this true gene and Chosenone?
pls correct me if my understanding of what you stated is wrong?

If we are telling people that they need “Jesus” just like the way Paul preached about Jesus to the gentiles, but now Why do we NEED Jesus? realy i mean we all are saved? why do we need salvation? there is no death, ALL MANKIND will be saved, so there i no need of anything.

Instead we should preach to people to have fun, live life however you want. Do whatever that pleases you becaues eventually it will be purged and your going to be alright and cool with the man upstairs.

September 13, 2010 at 7:06 am#216214

Baker

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Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 09 2010,11:05)

The answer is “All mankind will be saved”.

Jerry.

Explain to me these scriptures.

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Mal 4:1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Georg

September 13, 2010 at 3:30 pm#216264

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EDJ…………..Why start lying, me nor Chosenone have never said or even implied its OK to Keep SINNING that is what maybe in your heart to do. Why should you accuse us of that?. You do realize to Lie is a sin also , “you shall not bear false witness”. IMO

peace and love………………………gene

September 13, 2010 at 3:55 pm#216270