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Hi,
It has long been claimed by many that salvation requires only faith.
No obedience but only some sort of a decision based on knowledge.
It seems foreign to the way of Jesus decribed in the Acts of the apostles.
This idea needs discussion in a thread of it's own.Does God accept that it is enough just to believe
when even demons believe?Do we not have to obey and walk the path?
Calling Jesus LORD, LORD seems to carry little weight.
Faith ALONE may be here one day and gone the next.
Do we not have to take a stand before angels and men?
Luke 15:10
Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.Hi,
A link or two to futher discussion.
http://www.gospelway.com/salvation/salvation_by_faith.php
http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/justification/justify_8.htmQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2008,10:27) Hi,
It has long been claimed by many that salvation requires only faith.
No obedience but only some sort of a decision based on knowledge.
It seems foreign to the way of Jesus decribed in the Acts of the apostles.
This idea needs discussion in a thread of it's own.Does God accept that it is enough just to believe
when even demons believe?Do we not have to obey and walk the path?
Calling Jesus LORD, LORD seems to carry little weight.
Faith ALONE may be here one day and gone the next.
Do we not have to take a stand before angels and men?
Luke 15:10
Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
Another misinterpretationof scripture by people who don't want to pick up their torture stake or cross?I wonder what the scripture is talking about then..
1 Peter 1:6-8…6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy,
or this one
James 2:19-24… 19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[a]? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God's friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
If not by faith and grace given to us by God, then by what?
Believe that God has raised Jesus from the dead and be saved. All those who call out to the LORD will be saved! For it is by grace that you are saved – not of yourselves. The list goes on and on and on…….
Perhaps you could list the verses that show the “requirements” for salvation and we can compare them to other's?
Hi Not3,
You quote Rom 10? Read the start of Romans.
That was written to those who were committed to Jesus already.
They were already reborn of water and the Spirit but did not want to put faith to work.
They were Jews tempted to go back to the Law and Paul was urging them to walk in the Spirit.Same problem with the jewish converts in Galatians
Gal3
1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Nick…….Reread Gal3:1-5 ….and think about it proves it all by faith that every thing is done. 2..> this only would i learn from you, reciev ye the Spirit by (Works) of law (the definit article (the) was added, or by hearing of Faith. Queston who gives Faith you or God, which enables you to recieve the Spirit, it was the faith given you.
3…> are you so foolish having begun in the spirit, are ye now made perfect by (the flesh), think about that Nick is your own fleshly choices what is saving you. or is it the guidance of the Spirit of God saving you, and how did you receive the Spiritual guidance which is (GRACE), it was by (FAITH). Not by works of law, lest anyone Should BOAST>
Man want to think He makes and does it on His own. By his own Power to make his own right choices so His pride is pumped. But what does it say God resists the proud and gives GRACE (God's influencing of the intellect) to the Humble.
5..> It's by Hearing of FAITH. That salvation comes. that is if it's (TRUE FAITH).
Hi GB,
You are right in a way.All must repent.
Acts17
30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
All is of grace including repentance and faith.
Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.Even John's baptism which repentance led to was of grace.
Acts 13:24
When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.Should men have followed this grace ? Absolutely
Lk7
29And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.30But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
So the grace of faith comes by hearing.
How foolish would it be to not follow grace and faith and obey the counsel of God??Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 30 2008,06:48) Nick…….Reread Gal3:1-5 ….and think about it proves it all by faith that every thing is done. 2..> this only would i learn from you, reciev ye the Spirit by (Works) of law (the definit article (the) was added, or by hearing of Faith. Queston who gives Faith you or God, which enables you to recieve the Spirit, it was the faith given you. 3…> are you so foolish having begun in the spirit, are ye now made perfect by (the flesh), think about that Nick is your own fleshly choices what is saving you. or is it the guidance of the Spirit of God saving you, and how did you receive the Spiritual guidance which is (GRACE), it was by (FAITH). Not by works of law, lest anyone Should BOAST>
Man want to think He makes and does it on His own. By his own Power to make his own right choices so His pride is pumped. But what does it say God resists the proud and gives GRACE (God's influencing of the intellect) to the Humble.
5..> It's by Hearing of FAITH. That salvation comes. that is if it's (TRUE FAITH).
In a sense….But you can not believe and not do…the bible says be “doers of GOD's word…and not just hearers only”
James 1:22 … 22Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.
James 1:22 …22Obey God's message! Don't fool yourselves by just listening to it.
James 1:22…22But be doers of the Word [obey the message], and not merely listeners to it, betraying yourselves [into deception by reasoning contrary to the Truth].
Quote (dirtyknections @ June 29 2008,15:42) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 29 2008,10:27) Hi,
It has long been claimed by many that salvation requires only faith.
No obedience but only some sort of a decision based on knowledge.
It seems foreign to the way of Jesus decribed in the Acts of the apostles.
This idea needs discussion in a thread of it's own.Does God accept that it is enough just to believe
when even demons believe?Do we not have to obey and walk the path?
Calling Jesus LORD, LORD seems to carry little weight.
Faith ALONE may be here one day and gone the next.
Do we not have to take a stand before angels and men?
Luke 15:10
Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
Another misinterpretationof scripture by people who don't want to pick up their torture stake or cross?I wonder what the scripture is talking about then..
1 Peter 1:6-8…6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy,
or this one
James 2:19-24… 19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[a]? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God's friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
Again I say…what do these scriptures mean…if you say we can just sit at home and “believe''Quote (dirtyknections @ June 30 2008,09:40) For the record salvation is by Faith…but that Faith will cause us to “do”
Yes…by faith, not “OURS”, but by the faith of Jesus.Ro.3:22-24
…yet a righteousness of God through Jesus Christ's faith, for all, and on all who are believing, for there is no distinction,
23 for all sinned and are wanting of the glory of God.
24 Being justified gratuitously in His grace, through the deliverance which is in Christ Jesus.Quote (chosenone @ June 30 2008,11:39) Quote (dirtyknections @ June 30 2008,09:40) For the record salvation is by Faith…but that Faith will cause us to “do”
Yes…by faith, not “OURS”, but by the faith of Jesus.Ro.3:22-24
…yet a righteousness of God through Jesus Christ's faith, for all, and on all who are believing, for there is no distinction,
23 for all sinned and are wanting of the glory of God.
24 Being justified gratuitously in His grace, through the deliverance which is in Christ Jesus.
Faith “IN” JesusRomans 3:22-24 (niv) ..22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
Romans 3:22-24 (nlt)…22 We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.
23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. 24 Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins.
Romans 3:22-24 (asv) 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;
24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 3:22-24 (amp) 22Namely, the righteousness of God which comes by believing with personal trust and confident reliance on Jesus Christ (the Messiah). [And it is meant] for all who believe. For there is no distinction,
Romans 3:22-24 (esv) 22the righteousness of God(A) through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.(B) For there is no distinction: 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24(D) and are justified(E) by his grace as a gift,(F) through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
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