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Hi not3,
It is interesting though that men who choose to reject the way and the teachings of Christ concentrate on useless false religious stuff instead of listening to the story of the unfaithful steward who, at least, found other useful things to do.Ephesians 2:8 tells us this
” For by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourself, it is a free gift of God,
verse 9 not of works lest anyone should boast.
But when we do Sin and I believe all still do, we have a Mediator Jesus Christ so we can go in front of the Throne of God and ask for forgiveness of our Sins. And God will be quick to forgive them.
Can we still loose our Salvation, I think we can. IMO
Peace and Love IreneHi,
The question posed at the start of this thread is that which the rich young JEWISH man asked Jesus[mt19].He asked what he should DO to be saved.
Naturally Jesus answered him according to the works of the Law which applies to the Jews.
Such a question is irrelevant to us gentiles who are utterly reliant on the fulfilled works of the Law of Jesus.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 19 2008,13:26) Hi,
The question posed at the start of this thread is that which the rich young JEWISH man asked Jesus[mt19].He asked what he should DO to be saved.
Naturally Jesus answered him according to the works of the Law which applies to the Jews.
Such a question is irrelevant to us gentiles who are utterly reliant on the fulfilled works of the Law of Jesus.
NH.
I just stumbled across this thread. If you are so convinced about your “one eternal gospel for all”, how can you make such a statement, that Jesus' answered this Jewish man, and it only applied to the Jews, and is irrelevent to us gentiles??? How can you possibly oppose your own gospel??? Where is your “one gospel for all”, you shoot yourself in the foot. Do you actually teach your one gospel, yet speak a different one?
We await your clarification.Following is what the Word of God states for salvation:
Quote Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Believing is not just a mental assent. When you confess Jesus as Lord, you are indicating by your confession that you will obey his commandments.
Notice that you must believe in your heart verse 10:10. When you call on the Lord, you are asking him to forgive you for your sins on the basis of his sacrifice. This coupled by your confession that he is your Lord indicating by your confession that you will obey his commandments is repentance.
We are saved by “faith” not because of the works that we did prior to our salvation. It does not matter how good or how bad you have been, but when you hear the gospel, you believe with a repentant heart.
The thief that was saved on the cross believed with a repentant heart, and so he was saved.
God Bless
Hi 94,
The universalists seem to discover by reading parts of the bible that they have been saved by events of 2000 years ago.Such is folly
Nick………So the blood of Christ doesn't apply to you Nick? And the GRACE of GOD is of no value to you, Just you own works of righteousness is what will save you then Nick (right). That is what folly is Nick, imo
GB,
The blood of the Paschal lamb applied to the people whose doorways were daubed in obedience to God.
The blood of the Lamb likewise does not apply to those of the world.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 06 2008,10:24) Hi 94,
The universalists seem to discover by reading parts of the bible that they have been saved by events of 2000 years ago.Such is folly
Hi Nick:If they haven't believed with a repentant heart then they haven't been saved, and consequently, they can't teach me anything without the Spirit of Truth.
Quote Act 20:18 And when they were come to him(The Apostle Paul), he said unto them, Ye know, from the first day that I came into Asia, after what manner I have been with you at all seasons, Act 20:19 Serving the Lord with all humility of mind, and with many tears, and temptations, which befell me by the lying in wait of the Jews:
Act 20:20 [And] how I kept back nothing that was profitable [unto you], but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,
Act 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Quote Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Jhn 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Quote 1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. God Bless
Nick………So now your saying Jesus didn't die for the sins of the whole world ? Why did the Apostle John say ” not ours (ONLY) bit for the Sins of the WHOLE WORD.” then?
peace …………….gene
GB,
Indeed he did.
Have all taken the option of responding?
Judgement is written to be according to that response.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 06 2008,17:33) Nick………So now your saying Jesus didn't die for the sins of the whole world ? Why did the Apostle John say ” not ours (ONLY) bit for the Sins of the WHOLE WORD.” then? peace …………….gene
Hi Gene:Jesus has paid the debt that was against all of humanity for the first death, which is spiritual separation from God, and all of humanity is dead in their trespasses if they have not been reconciled to God through what He has done for them through Jesus. This is the first death. But those who reject God's free gift of salvation, will go have to go through a second death which is eternal separation from God. Their body and their soul will be destroyed.
God Bless
942767………I notice you did not mention God own personal activity in the persons life , but rather leave it up to the person him or her self to some how (CHOSE) their salvation. Where is God at in this picture you draw, is He just to one who makes the offer and the rest is up to our carnal natures to by “free Choice” chose whats the right choice, I notice you and Nick both leave God the Father out of the works of salvation in a person, why is that? Is it because of the false ideology of So-call “free Wills” you are compelled to leave GOD out and make salvation a matter of Self Choice.
Jesus said He would build the Church through the Rock which is power of GOD, to get into the mind of a person and reveal truth, but you and Nick say, it presented to us and we must of our own “FREE WILLS” chose our own salvation with out God's Help . You seem (NOT) to understand we are saved by (GRACE) and that (NOT) of YOURSELVES, it just doesn't seem to sink into your understandings.
God just doesn't (bring a salvation CHANCE), He creates it in US. “For you are (CREATED) unto GOOD WORKS”. ITS A CREATION AND THERE IS ONLY ONE CREATOR THATS GOD HIMSELF.
peace to you and yours…………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 07 2008,13:03) 942767………I notice you did not mention God own personal activity in the persons life , but rather leave it up to the person him or her self to some how (CHOSE) their salvation. Where is God at in this picture you draw, is He just to one who makes the offer and the rest is up to our carnal natures to by “free Choice” chose whats the right choice, I notice you and Nick both leave God the Father out of the works of salvation in a person, why is that? Is it because of the false ideology of So-call “free Wills” you are compelled to leave GOD out and make salvation a matter of Self Choice. Jesus said He would build the Church through the Rock which is power of GOD, to get into the mind of a person and reveal truth, but you and Nick say, it presented to us and we must of our own “FREE WILLS” chose our own salvation with out God's Help . You seem (NOT) to understand we are saved by (GRACE) and that (NOT) of YOURSELVES, it just doesn't seem to sink into your understandings.
God just doesn't (bring a salvation CHANCE), He creates it in US. “For you are (CREATED) unto GOOD WORKS”. ITS A CREATION AND THERE IS ONLY ONE CREATOR THATS GOD HIMSELF.
peace to you and yours…………………gene
Hi Gene:Do the following scriptures leave God out of the picture:
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Therefore, give me something that I have said that leaves God out of the picture. God's plan for the salvation is through what He has done for us in the person of Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
The gospel then is this good news which is to preached to every individual. If a person believes, and comes to God with a repentant heart through the Lord Jesus, he is saved. If the individual does not want to serve God, God does not force him. It is that person's choice.
God Bless
Nick and 942767……> if GOD does not (CREATE) SALVATION in ME I will NEVER in a MILLION YEARS MAKE IT INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD>I am not able to cleanse myself of all unrighteousness, I trust my God to save me and (NOTHING ELSE) and not my so-called “free choices”. I must die to myself, as Jesus died to his self and let God work in Me as He did. whosoever (OVERCOMES) even (AS) i Have. So how did Jesus over come , was it by His works or GOD's work? I believe Jesus could do (NOTHING) of HIMSELF but it was the Father in Him doing the WORKS. While you two believe it was Jesus Himself doing his own salvation. Jesus did not seem to think so did He.
peace to you both ………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 07 2008,13:19) Nick and 942767……> if GOD does not (CREATE) SALVATION in ME I will NEVER in a MILLION YEARS MAKE IT INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD>I am not able to cleanse myself of all unrighteousness, I trust my God to save me and (NOTHING ELSE) and not my so-called “free choices”. I must die to myself, as Jesus died to his self and let God work in Me as He did. whosoever (OVERCOMES) even (AS) i Have. So how did Jesus over come , was it by His works or GOD's work? I believe Jesus could do (NOTHING) of HIMSELF but it was the Father in Him doing the WORKS. While you two believe it was Jesus Himself doing his own salvation. Jesus did not seem to think so did He. peace to you both ………………..gene
Sorry Gene, If you don't obey Him, you can trust all you want but you won't be saved.Quote Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Luk 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
Luk 6:48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
Luk 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
God Bless
GB,
Start by believing in the one God sent, Jesus Christ.
He is for us the source of grace.Far ahead of any scientists.
Nick… , Jesus Might be the Source of Your grace , But GOD the FATHER is the SOURCE of Jesus' GRACE AND MY ALSO> ” Jesus Christ a man full of GRACE (Godly influencing on the heart) That same GRACE from that SAME SOURCE is EXTENDED to me also. Paul said I labored more then they all (YET NOT I BUT THE GRACE OF GOD LABORED). Think about it Nick its important you get this right, ALL Grace Has its origin with the FATHER ONLY>EVEN the Grace Jesus Had. And to say start by believing ONE GOD sent , Jesus Christ , is a insult to me I probably knew that before you were even born. Its better if you would not try to instruct other until you learn the truth yourself, Novice are better of to listen then speak. You might be surprised How much you might learn by becoming a student rather then a teacher.
peace …………………..gene
Hi,
Heb9
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
The death we should choose to go through is this in Rom6
3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Thus we can never truly die.
We just sleep.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 19 2008,13:26) Hi,
The question posed at the start of this thread is that which the rich young JEWISH man asked Jesus[mt19].He asked what he should DO to be saved.
Naturally Jesus answered him according to the works of the Law which applies to the Jews.
Such a question is irrelevant to us gentiles who are utterly reliant on the fulfilled works of the Law of Jesus.
NH.
I posed this question to you in an earlier post, but you didn't answer, so here it is again:
You claim there is only “one eternal gospel for all”, yet you say: Naturally Jesus answered him according to the works of the Law which applies to the Jews.Such a question is irrelevant to us gentiles who are utterly reliant on the fulfilled works of the Law of Jesus.
So where is your “one eternal gospel for all”?
You seem to contadict yourself!!!
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