Salvation

[chosenone]

Quote (terraricca @ June 05 2010,18:00)

Quote (chosenone @ June 05 2010,17:07) Any sensable answers? CO you question are directional, to have your live saved by God;you need faith in Christ but what does mean or encompasses ? that would be a better question, also can you separate;God from his creation? can you separate Christ from his father ? can you separate the righteous from there master Christ? could you separate the deeds that men do for there God ? can you separate the word of God from the spirit of the righteous?? were do you stand CO Pierre

terraricca, here are the questions you asked. These are not even reasonable questions, how can one answer to such vain sentence structure? If I asked you “can you separate water from mud?' or “can you separate grass from weeds?” What is the purpose of these questions? Give me YOUR answers to your questions, they make no sense at all in relation to this thread.
I don't mean to be rude, but I really mean it when I say “I don't understand these questions”, what is the pupose or meaning to you, of these questions?

Jerry.

[terraricca]

Quote (chosenone @ June 12 2010,15:53)

Quote (terraricca @ June 05 2010,18:00) Quote (chosenone @ June 05 2010,17:07) Any sensable answers? CO you question are directional, to have your live saved by God;you need faith in Christ but what does mean or encompasses ? that would be a better question, also can you separate;God from his creation? can you separate Christ from his father ? can you separate the righteous from there master Christ? could you separate the deeds that men do for there God ? can you separate the word of God from the spirit of the righteous?? were do you stand CO Pierre terraricca,  here are the questions you asked.  These are not even reasonable questions, how can one answer to such vain sentence structure?  If I asked you “can you separate water from mud?'  or “can you separate grass from weeds?”  What is the purpose of these questions?  Give me YOUR answers to your questions, they make no sense at all in relation to this thread.   I don't mean to be rude, but I really mean it when I say “I don't understand these questions”, what is the pupose or meaning to you, of these questions? Jerry.

hi CO

sure i can separate water from mud it is easy to do,and separate grass from weeds ;that also is easy to do,the purpose of those questions are to obtain water and in the other to obtain only good food.

but that make you understand my questions;

God ,Christ and men are a triangle in a circle do you understand that??

Pierre

[GeneBalthrop]

TO ALL…………The only true SAVIOR is GOD the FATHER, and no matter who He choses to do it through, that person is (NOT) the savior ,it is GOD Himself doing the SAVING. Rather Christ Jesus, or Mosses , or Joshua , or an angle or anyone it is still GOD the FATHER who is the (ONLY) True SAVIOR. IMO

Isa 43:11…> I, even I am the LORD; and besides ME there is (NO) Savior.

Just that simple. IMO

PEACE AND LOVE TO YOU ALL……………….gene

[chosenone]

Gene, A very good post, I agree.

God Bless, Jerry.

[terraricca]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 15 2010,01:20)

TO ALL…………The only true SAVIOR is GOD the FATHER, and no matter who He choses to do it through, that person is (NOT) the savior ,it is GOD Himself doing the SAVING. Rather Christ Jesus, or Mosses , or Joshua , or an angle or anyone it is still GOD the FATHER who is the (ONLY) True SAVIOR. IMO Isa 43:11…> I, even I am the LORD; and besides ME there is (NO) Savior. Just that simple. IMO PEACE AND LOVE TO YOU ALL……………….gene

gene

this is what “all his of God ” means,but God has chosen to save the world trough Christ ,and unless you believe that and act on it you are not saved,it is just like you are on the ramp to take the train were you want to go but you just don't climb the train ,so you never will reach that destination you said you wanted to go,
Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Pierre

[GeneBalthrop]

Terraricca……….Whose arguing that point , It still does not change the fact the it is (GOD) HIMSELF who is the (ONLY)SAVIOR of (ALL) Man Kind. No matter who he does it through , (ONLY) GOD the FATHER get (ALL) the CREDIT For Salvation. IMO WE must honor Jesus (TO THE GLORY OF THE FATHER) we should not Honor Jesus to the (exclusion) of the Father , IMO

peace and love……………….gene

[chosenone]

Pierre.
Gene is right, God is the ONLY saviour, we have no part in our salvation. Those who trust in themselves for salvation are deceived. See the following scriptures…

1Tim.4:9-11
9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.
11 These things be charging and teaching.

Also Eph2:8-9
8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,
9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting.

Then also Eph.2:10
10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.

Notice that none say that you, by your so-called “free will”, had any choice in your salvation.

(to trust in yourself, is like trusting a fool)

God Bless, Jerry.

[terraricca]

Quote (chosenone @ June 17 2010,05:23)

Pierre.   Gene is right, God is the ONLY saviour, we have no part in our salvation.  Those who trust in themselves for salvation are deceived.  See the following scriptures… 1Tim.4:9-11   9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome 10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers. 11 These things be charging and teaching. Also Eph2:8-9 8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present, 9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting. Then also Eph.2:10 10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them. Notice that none say that you, by your so-called “free will”, had any choice in your salvation. (to trust in yourself, is like trusting a fool) God Bless,  Jerry.

CO

Ac 26:18 to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

1Co 7:5 Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

do you know what self control is??
do you know what mutual consent means?
do know what Satan temptation is ?

Rev 2:13 I know where you live—where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city—where Satan lives.
Rev 3:9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

do you understand what stay true to the name of Christ means??
not renouncing the faith in Christ do you understand that ??

all those questions are related to the will of men who want to worship God freely and by there own will they stay faithful.

thanks to God that makes all of this possible.

Pierre

[chosenone]

Pierre.
Eph.2:8-9… 8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present,
9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting.

Note “AND THIS IS NOT OUT OF YOU”! Are you “boasting” that you saved yourself?

Eph.2:10… 10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.

Does “HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE” mean anything to you? Still believe you are “your achievement”?

Humble yourself, give God the glory, not yourself!

Blessings, Jerry.

[GeneBalthrop]

Chosenone…….That is what “FREE” WILLER'S do, they can not except salvation outside of themselves, so they can not truly except those scriptures we quote, they are a God unto themselves . and Pride has grasped their minds. IMO

But as you quoted, in 1 Tim 4:10, we are to continue even if we are reproached for doing it, to rely on GOD the (ONLY) Savior of (ALL) men.

Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene

[terraricca]

Quote (chosenone @ June 17 2010,16:01)

Pierre.   Eph.2:8-9…  8 For in grace, through faith, are you saved, and this is not out of you; it is God's approach present, 9 not of works, lest anyone should be boasting. Note “AND THIS IS NOT OUT OF YOU”!  Are you “boasting” that you saved yourself? Eph.2:10…  10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them. Does “HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE”  mean anything to you?  Still believe you are “your achievement”? Humble yourself, give God the glory, not yourself! Blessings,  Jerry.

CO
you do not answer or respond to my comment ,that's OK,

you just stick to the interpretation of your own heart,and deny the rest of scriptures.

truth is truth

Pierre

[chosenone]

Pierre.
Look in the mirror, this is exactly what you do. Why did you not respond to my comment? And yes, you just ignore the scripture I used to make my point, and you answer without scripture.
Here is a question I would like you to answer… “Give a brief description about what you think that the bible, as a whole, is teaching us”. Just a brief description.

God Bless, Jerry.

[terraricca]

Quote (chosenone @ June 18 2010,15:15)

Pierre.   Look in the mirror, this is exactly what you do.  Why did you not respond to my comment?  And yes, you just ignore the scripture I used to make my point, and you answer without scripture.     Here is a question I would like you to answer… “Give a brief description about what you think that the bible, as a whole, is teaching us”.  Just a brief description. God Bless,  Jerry.

CO
it is to teach us who is God ,what he ad done will do and does for us,so we may love him and serve him ,in the way he like s to,

Pierre

[chosenone]

Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2010,00:56)

Quote (chosenone @ June 18 2010,15:15) Pierre.   Look in the mirror, this is exactly what you do.  Why did you not respond to my comment?  And yes, you just ignore the scripture I used to make my point, and you answer without scripture.     Here is a question I would like you to answer… “Give a brief description about what you think that the bible, as a whole, is teaching us”.  Just a brief description. God Bless,  Jerry. CO it is to teach us who is God ,what he ad done will do and does for us,so we may love him and serve him ,in the way he like s to, Pierre

Pierre.
A very good description, thank you. I would change one part of your answer…

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so we may love him and serve him ,in the way he like s to,

I would change …so we “may”… to so we “will”…

Thanks for your reply, much appreciated.

God Bless, Jerry.

[barley]

Romans 10:9-10.  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
          For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
         
Note what it does not say:

1.  It does not say you have to confess your sins.
2.  It does say you have to go to church.
3.  It does not say anything about accepting Jesus as your savior.  Although admittedly, when anyone makes and keeps him lord in their life, their life will improve incredibly, first off, by their obtaining salvation.
4.  It does not say anything about repenting or crying your eyes out, or answering an altar call.   They may be involved, but have nothing to do with obtaining salvation.

The way to salvation was made very simple because of what God had Jesus Christ do for us.

[NickHassan]

Hi B,
Who is the book written to?[Rom1]
You must be through the gate of Christ to be told these things.
Many seeds do not take and Paul encourages the neophytes to let the Spirit of Christ lead them[Gal5.23]

[Ed J]

Quote (barley @ June 22 2010,10:58)

Romans 10:9-10.  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.           For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.           Note what it does not say: 1.  It does not say you have to confess your sins. 2.  It does say you have to go to church. 3.  It does not say anything about accepting Jesus as your savior.  Although admittedly, when anyone makes and keeps him lord in their life, their life will improve incredibly, first off, by their obtaining salvation. 4.  It does not say anything about repenting or crying your eyes out, or answering an altar call.   They may be involved, but have nothing to do with obtaining salvation. The way to salvation was made very simple because of what God had Jesus Christ do for us.

Hi Barley,

Have you ever considered these verses?
Ezekiel 35:5-6 Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred,
and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword (The Bible)
in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end: Therefore, as I live, saith the
Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even
blood shall pursue thee. Could this be talking about different the denominations now trying to convert each other?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hiu ED,
There will always be wars and rumours of wars..

Jesus is not of the world.

[chosenone]

Quote (barley @ June 22 2010,10:58)

Romans 10:9-10.  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.           For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.           Note what it does not say: 1.  It does not say you have to confess your sins. 2.  It does say you have to go to church. 3.  It does not say anything about accepting Jesus as your savior.  Although admittedly, when anyone makes and keeps him lord in their life, their life will improve incredibly, first off, by their obtaining salvation. 4.  It does not say anything about repenting or crying your eyes out, or answering an altar call.   They may be involved, but have nothing to do with obtaining salvation. The way to salvation was made very simple because of what God had Jesus Christ do for us.

Hi barley.
A very interesting opinion, spot on, I agree. It also says “For to Me shall bow every knee, And every tongue shall be acclaiming God”!

Blessings, Jerry.

[barley]

Quote (Ed J @ June 22 2010,11:54)

Quote (barley @ June 22 2010,10:58) Romans 10:9-10.  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.           For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.           Note what it does not say: 1.  It does not say you have to confess your sins. 2.  It does say you have to go to church. 3.  It does not say anything about accepting Jesus as your savior.  Although admittedly, when anyone makes and keeps him lord in their life, their life will improve incredibly, first off, by their obtaining salvation. 4.  It does not say anything about repenting or crying your eyes out, or answering an altar call.   They may be involved, but have nothing to do with obtaining salvation. The way to salvation was made very simple because of what God had Jesus Christ do for us. Hi Barley, Have you ever considered these verses? Ezekiel 35:5-6 Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword (The Bible) in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end: Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee. Could this be talking about different the denominations now trying to convert each other? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ezekiel is not a book that I have spent a lot of time in.

I would not want to venture an opinion of what those verses are intended to communicate.  What I do know about the book of Ezekiel is that is has nothing to specifically say to the age in which we live.  That is, after the day of Pentecost.  Ezekiel is a portion of the truth that God revealed to Israel.  (and it maybe that some portions of it pertain to the Gentiles)  What these truths can teach us that help us out today, I will let others handle.  We, as Christians have plenty on our plate without trying to take on God's will to Israel.

There is plenty that we could learn from each other. Let us grow up to have the humility and meekness to do so.

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