Sabbath

[GeneBalthrop]

To all here is somthing that might encourage all you who are keeping the Sabbath.

Isa 30:15.> For thus Saith the LORD GOD, the HOLY ONE of Israel; in returning and (REST) shall you be saved; in quiteness and in confidence shall be your strength: And You (Israel) would not.

The picture of the sabbath is intering into rest with God.
and letting Him guide us. The sabbath show's the way we are saved thats why its in the commandments. It pictures us ceasing from our work's, intering to rest and letting God work in us. And just as we get rejuvenated physically, we also will get rejuvenated spiritually also.

As we keep the sabbath physically lest not forget the spiritual importance of it either. blessing to all…….gene

[kenrch]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 30 2007,14:57)

Thanks for praying for me Ken!  That means a ton to me, truly!   Yes, the LORD is working wonders at our house.  I'm grateful to him and to you guys. Love to you, Mandy

It was a blessing for ME! If you know what I mean?

[Proclaimer]

I started reading this discussion but like many here it is quite long. I then looked up Wikipedia and I thought this was interesting:

Most Christians believe that Sunday is a special day of worship and rest, every week commemorating the Resurrection of Jesus on the first day of the week on the Jewish calendar. Most Christian traditions teach that there is an analogy between the obligation of the Christian day of worship and the Sabbath-day ordinance, but that they are not literally identical—for a believer in Christ the Sabbath ordinance has not so much been removed as superseded, because God's very work of creation has been superseded by a “new creation” (2 Corinthians 5:17), according to this Christian view. For this reason, most teach that the obligation to keep the Sabbath is not the same for Christians as in Judaism, and for support they point to examples in the New Testament, and other writings surviving from the first few centuries. Some conservative Christians, most of them within the Reformed tradition, are “Sabbatarians,” believing the first day of the week or Lord's Day to be the new covenant Sabbath (the 4th commandment never having been revoked and Sabbath-keeping being in any case a creation ordinance).

Still others believe that the Sabbath remains as a day of rest on the Saturday, reserving Sunday as a day of worship. In reference to Acts 20:7, the disciples came together on the first day of the week (Sunday) to break bread and to hear the preaching of the apostle Paul. This is not the first occurrence of Christians assembling on a Sunday; Jesus appeared to the Christians on the “first day of the week” while they were in hiding. One can maintain this argument in that Jesus himself maintained the Sabbath, although not within the restrictions that were mandated by Jewish traditions; the Pharisees often tried Jesus by asking him if certain tasks were acceptable according to the Law (see: Luke 14:5). This would seem to indicate that while the Sabbath was still of importance to the Jews, Sunday was a separate day for worship and teaching from Scriptures.

The Seventh-day Adventists, Seventh-Day Baptists, True Jesus Church, United Church of God, Living Church of God and some other churches disagree with some of these views. They argue that the custom of meeting for worship on Sunday originated in paganism, specifically Sol Invictus and Mithraism (in which sun-god worship took place on Sunday) and constitutes an explicit rejection of the commandment to keep the seventh day holy. Instead, they keep Saturday as the Sabbath as a memorial to God's work of creation (Genesis 2:1–3, Exodus 20:8–11, Exodus 16:23,29–30) believing that none of the ten commandments can ever be destroyed (Matthew 5:17–19, Exodus 31:16). Seventh-day sabbatarians claim that the seventh day Sabbath was kept by the majority of Christian groups until the 2nd and 3rd century, by most until the 4th and 5th century, and a few thereafter, but because of opposition to Judaism after the Jewish-Roman wars, the original custom was gradually replaced by Sunday as the day of worship. The history of these changes is certainly not altogether lost regardless of any belief in a suppression of the facts by a conspiracy of the pagans of the Roman Empire and the clergy of the Catholic Church. See Great Apostasy.

Jews had come to be loathed in the Roman Empire after the Jewish-Roman wars, and this led to the criminalization of the Jewish Sabbath. Hatred of Jews is apparent in the Council of Laodicea (4th Century AD) where Canon 37–38 states: “It is not lawful to receive portions sent from the feasts of Jews or heretics, nor to feast together with them.” and “It is not lawful to receive unleavened bread from the Jews, nor to be partakers of their impiety.” In keeping with this rejection of the Jews, this Roman council also criminalized the Jewish Sabbath as can be seen in Canon 29 of the Council Laodicea: “Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honoring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema (excommunicated) from Christ.”

Just food for thought. I am not confirming or denying anything written above, and I will incur no cost if any of the information being incorrect or invalid results in personal injury or causes offence.

[Not3in1]

Amazing. Good stuff, t8 – thank you for this!

[kenrch]

Why did the Jews gather on the first day?

Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Also in relation to the Sabbath and the three days and Nights of Jesus being in the tomb. They have churches on the net claiming that “High Day” in John 19:31 means the Annual Sabbath falls on the seventh day Sabbath making it a High day.

Simply not true!

High Sabbaths
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High Sabbaths refer to the annual festivals recorded in the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy. Rather than the weekly seventh day Sabbath, these days of the Festivals of Unleavened Bread or Passover (Pesach), Pentecost (Shavuot), Atonement (Yom Kippur), Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah), and Tabernacles (Sukkoth) may fall on various other days of the week.
This phrase “high Sabbath” has been identified by Dr. Dani ben Gigi of Hebrewworld.com, former professor of Hebrew Language at Arizona State University, as meaning specifically “Shabbat haGadol”, that is, the weekly Sabbath that comes before Passover each year. There is no reference in the Torah of the Jews, the first five books of Moses, or the Old Testament that calls the Feast Days as “high holy days”. This is a modern practice that follows the example of Roman Catholicism which calls[citation needed] their special days, High Days.
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The Feast of Unleavened Bread

The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Hag HaMatzah in Hebrew) is the second of the seven feasts that the L-RD commanded Israel to celebrate. “And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the L-RD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the L-RD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein” (Leviticus 23:6-8). It was to be celebrated for seven days, beginning on the evening of the 15th of Nisan through the 21st of Nisan.
In the time of the earthly ministry of Yeshua, the celebration of both the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread was identified collectively as “the Passover”– “Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover” (Luke 22:1). Modern Judaism still observes these eight days collectively as Passover (Pesach)– Nisan 14 through 21.
Seven high days are designated in Leviticus 23 (verses 7, 8, 21, 25, 28, 30-32, 35-36). These high days are Sabbaths. They were to be treated like the seventh day Sabbath, even though they could occur on a day other than the seventh day (Saturday) of the week– which was the normal Jewish Sabbath. The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 15, was the first of the seven high days. The seventh day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 21, was the second of the seven high days of Leviticus 23. This could cause confusion in understanding the events of the week of Yeshua's crucifixion, since both the day before the weekly Sabbath as well as the day before the Feast of Unleavened Bread were designated as Preparation days.
Tradition holds that Yeshua was crucified on Friday (instead of Thursday) because of a reference to “the preparation” and “the sabbath day” in the same verse. “The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away” (John 19:31). In this instance, “the preparation” was for the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which was an “high day” and consequently a “sabbath day”. Unleavened bread was historically the symbol of Israel's flight from Egyptian bondage in the time of Moses– they were in too much of a hurry to allow the dough to be leavened. “And the people took their dough before it was leavened… And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough which they brought forth out of Egypt, for it was not leavened; because they were thrust out of Egypt, and could not tarry, neither had they prepared for themselves any provisions.” (Exodus 12:34,39). Leaven (yeast), in the Feast of Unleavened Bread, was something Israel was enjoined to put away on the penalty of being cut off from the nation of Israel. “Whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel” (Exodus 12:15). This was very strong language for a ceremony– unless the L-RD G-d was trying to teach Israel the significance of something future, that would be put away to make them clean. Of course, that something is Yeshua. “For He hath made Him to be sin for us, Who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of G-d in Him” (2Corinthians 5:21). Sin is typified by the leaven. “Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth” (1Corinthians 5:8).
The New Testament fulfillment of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is the burial of Yeshua. He was placed in the tomb shortly before the first moments of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Yeshua was the unleavened bread. “I am the Living Bread which came down from Heaven: if any man eat of this Bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world” (John 6:51). As leaven is a type for sin, Yeshua became “sin for us… that we might be made the righteousness of G-d in Him” (2Corinthians 5:21).

The lies and trouble people will go through to hold to man's tradition.

Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

The apostles “came together and broke bread every day” to do so on the first day was nothing special.

1Co 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

You mean Paul instructed the people NOT to gather on the new Sabbath day?

Please! An important holy day as the weekly Sabbath to be changed without mention in IMHOP is to hold to one tradition blindly. I would think that their would be at least a chapter (if not a book) in the bible explaining why the Holy day was changed from the Seventh to the First day.

BUT as the one who changed the day admits “their are no scriptures proclaiming such a change”. The Roman Universal (Catholic) Church who's description is in Rev. chapter 17 changed GOD&
#39;S Sabbath to their Sabbath on the first day.

History declares it, the RCC says they changed it, BUT the Bible denies the first day Sabbath.

It's God's day OR Man's day. Those who keep both are IMHO trying to have their cake and eat it too. A decision IS required NOT a comprise!

Again the call goes out “Come out of her MY People”, Rev 18:4.

God bless ALL!

Ken

[Not3in1]

Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 31 2007,00:37)

A decision IS required NOT a comprise!

For me, this has been true. Which is somewhat amazing to me because I started out believing and proving that it didn't matter which day you chose, just as long as you picked one that was “your” Sabbath.

I'm learning that to everything there is order. God likes order.

Even when Jesus made the Sabbath spiritual…..it was still on the same day that they had been observing since God gave the order. This spoke to me and made me realize that who is man to change the day OR think he can merely choose one and still please the LORD who set-apart the day to begin with? I'm still learning…..

[Laurel]

Isn't it interesting how pagen worship and the teaching of these impure men, teaching without Spirituel insight, can and do say that Sunday is the Lord's day, when in fact the Sabbath IS YHWH's appointed time, His day.

Also these same folks choose to ignore the fact that Messiah rose from the grave on the Sabbath!

This is no suprise to me, since I know that the path to righteousness is narrow, and there are FEW who find it.

Y'shua IS the Master, we will do best to believe His Words and NOT MEN!!!

Laurel

[Laurel]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 30 2007,15:38)

Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 29 2007,04:53) Trumpets, NO SERVILE WORK,(07/01/6007) 09/13/2007 Day of Atonement NO SERVILE WORK,(07/10/6007) 09/22/2007  the only fast day of the year Tabernacles for 7 days dwell in tents or booths or a “manger” First day of Tabernacles NO SERVILE WORK, (07/15/6007)    09/27/2007 Feast of Conclusion or The Last Great Day NO SERVILE WORK,     (07/22/6007) 10/04/2007 Why were we not taught in the NT to follow these feasts? Where in the NT are we instructed to follow these feasts?  I have read the NT numerous times and I cannot remember where we are given this specific information? If this specific information is not in the NT – why isn't it?  Thanks.

I wanted to bump this back in the forefront, and found this old post which I did not adress.

Scripture tells us to make Y'shua our Master and follw Him. Knowing our Master because we follow Him, leads us to keep the Feast as He did.

There are quite a few places in the Messianic writings that teach us to keep the feasts as they have been delivered to us, and that is from the New Testament.

“Messiah our Passover.”

Just look and you will see, and be amazed if you truly follow Y'shua.

Also, the 4th commandment relates to YHWH's appointed times in Leviticus 23, where the 7th day Sabbath is one of His appointed times, as well as YHWH's Feasts.

Growing in His Spirit! Searching all things. He is revealed through His Word.

Laurel

[kenrch]

Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 10 2007,16:19)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 30 2007,15:38) Quote (Laurel @ Aug. 29 2007,04:53) Trumpets, NO SERVILE WORK,(07/01/6007) 09/13/2007 Day of Atonement NO SERVILE WORK,(07/10/6007) 09/22/2007 the only fast day of the year Tabernacles for 7 days dwell in tents or booths or a “manger” First day of Tabernacles NO SERVILE WORK, (07/15/6007) 09/27/2007 Feast of Conclusion or The Last Great Day NO SERVILE WORK, (07/22/6007) 10/04/2007 Why were we not taught in the NT to follow these feasts? Where in the NT are we instructed to follow these feasts? I have read the NT numerous times and I cannot remember where we are given this specific information? If this specific information is not in the NT – why isn't it? Thanks. I wanted to bump this back in the forefront, and found this old post which I did not adress. Scripture tells us to make Y'shua our Master and follw Him. Knowing our Master because we follow Him, leads us to keep the Feast as He did. There are quite a few places in the Messianic writings that teach us to keep the feasts as they have been delivered to us, and that is from the New Testament. “Messiah our Passover.” Just look and you will see, and be amazed if you truly follow Y'shua. Also, the 4th commandment relates to YHWH's appointed times in Leviticus 23, where the 7th day Sabbath is one of His appointed times, as well as YHWH's Feasts. Growing in His Spirit! Searching all things. He is revealed through His Word. Laurel

There is only one Sabbath.

Heb 4:4 For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.”

Heb 4:9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,
Heb 4:10 for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

Where did god keep the annual Sabbaths? Where did Jesus say to keep the feasts.

Again> Jesus instructed the young rich ruler to keep the Commandments of God if he wanted to enter heaven. He said NOTHING of keeping the feasts and Jesus kept the feasts because He hadn't fulfilled MOSES' law yet. So sure He was going to keep Moses' law until He fulfilled them, Luke 24:26-27, 44.

If one “needs” to keep the feasts then that's fine HOWEVER one should not judge others to do so. Romans. Chapter 14

God wrote His eternal Law and gave Moses the law that was to be temporary as Moses is not Eternal and not God. Moses law placed outside the ark and NOT inside like God's law was.

Especially Now one needs to keep the commandments of god and their faith in JESUS, Rev 14:12

[Laurel]

Ken, for a guy who talks like he knows everything about the Sabbaths, you only know a little really.

Our Savior kept the Feasts. There is nothing more to explain!!!

[IM4Truth]

Laurel Sorry it is you who thinks that knows it all. We are not under most of the Feasts. i agree that we to keep the Passover like Jesus commanded it. Then Pentecost is were the first Christians received the Holy Spirit, but Jesus never said that we should keep it. Passover is the only one. And not like the old but that what Jesus teaches. Since He is the perfect Sacrifice. All has been fulfilled by Him.
Peace and Love Mrs.

[kenrch]

Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 22 2007,19:54)

Ken, for a guy who talks like he knows everything about the Sabbaths, you only know a little really. Our Savior kept the Feasts. There is nothing more to explain!!!

I only know what God gave me. And it is simple and scriptural

Anyway I knew that would bring you out from hiding

I think it's time we got back to “debating” rather than defending what we already know and agree on.

I know that you LOVE the Lord and am really glad that you are here.

I can't help but love those who love the Lord. And you enjoy the feasts but unless the Lord gives me witness then I'm not going to keep the feasts that I believe Jesus fulfilled.

Either Paul is speaking of the seventh day Sabbath OR the annual Sabbaths in Romans 14. Given all the scriptures that say to keep God's commandments I believe he is speaking of the annual Sabbaths that went with the feasts. You keep the feasts to the Lord.

Rom 14:7 For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself.
Rom 14:8 If we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
Rom 14:10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God;

Rom 14:5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

Is Paul speaking of God's Seventh day Sabbath that HE rested on?

Heb 4:9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,
Heb 4:10 for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

Some would argue yes. But then we would have to deny John and Revelations that say we keep God's commandments and faith in Jesus.

So what day(s) is Paul speaking of? What other days were the Jews keeping and teaching. It seems that the Jews came behind Paul and tried to tell Gentiles that they had to keep Moses' law.

1Co 7:19 For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.

You say that I'm not following Jesus because I don't keep the feasts. In a way you are correct I LIVE JESUS THROUGH THE SPIRIT

If we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's.

God bless you Laurie, And have a nice Thanksgiving.

Ken

[Laurel]

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[Laurel]

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

[Laurel]

He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also

[kenrch]

Jodi,

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I keep the heart, the Spirit of the 4th commandment, which is to take time to rest and worship the Lord. I do not follow the LETTER of the commandment which we all know is 6 days work and the 7th rest.

Heb 4:9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,
Heb 4:10 for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

Did God have sin? Did God need rest? We are to rest as God did.

Like Father like Son.

I know what you mean though The Spirit is here EVERYDAY. But even you admit that those who have to work NEED a day of rest to worship God.

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Other people who have to work a job that requires their mind to be set on other things besides the Lord, most certainly need a day set aside for Him.

While (because I'm on disability) I don't work I find a need to obey God. Even though WE don't work outside the home we still work and need a break from the daily routine and to FULLY worship God.

We are led by the Spirit. To me the Spirit leads me how to keep the weekly Sabbath “Spiritual” and not by the letter of the Law.

For example the SDA dictates HOW to keep the Sabbath. Why would one need to be told HOW to keep the Sabbath If that person is being led by the Spirit?

YOU KNOW that when we keep the Seventh day Sabbath we keep the same day that GOD kept. YOU KNOW that the first day sabbath is a false sabbath of the harlot.

The Seventh Day is Of GOD. It was blessed and set apart for man by GOD.
The first day is of man that man set apart to keep for the POPE.

Is this Not the way it is? Is this not even history? And scripture Dan 7:25.

We are entering another phase. Trials and temptation will increase as a woman with travail.

Joh 16:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
Joh 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

YOU KNOW that the bible is a Spiritual book and one needs the Spirit to understand it. Because it is a Spiritual book IT can be made to say almost anything.

Their is (the way I understand it) a “Christian” TV preacher who is preaching that Jesus DID NOT come down to be the Messiah! But to unite Israel to be ready for the REAL Messiah!

I don't know, I believe that may be just may be it's time to forget the our differences and join together. Scripture says in the last days that the saints will be keeping the commandments and faith in Jesus.

FOR ME I will strive with everything I am to DO just that! You believe that God IS one but made up of three, fine. You believe that we should keep the feasts, fine.

As long as we keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus
then we are ONE. Again this is what we are suppose to do, Rev. 14:12.

God bless,

Ken

[Laurel]

Mat 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that says to Me, Master, Master, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven!
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Master, Mastter, have we not prophesied in Your Name? and in Your Name have cast out devils? and in Your Name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then I will say to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you workers of lawlessness!
Mat 7:24 Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will compare him to a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Jam 2:18 Yes, a man may say, I have belief, and I have works: show me your belief without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

I will also so you my belif by my works. Laurel

[NickHassan]

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 20 2007,13:45)

Just for clarity of all one the many “sides”, from the ESV Mat 5:17  “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Mat 5:18  For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Mat 5:19  Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Mat 5:20  For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. The Greek word used in 5:19 that the ESV renders as “relaxes” is “luo” a primary verb; to “loosen” (literally or figuratively):–break (up), destroy, dissolve, (un-)loose, melt, put off. Compare rhgnumi – rhegnumi 4486.

Hi KJ,
You used to uphold the scriptures and warn others.
What changed?

[charity]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,05:20)

Quote (charity @ Oct. 24 2007,11:40) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,04:12) Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 24 2007,10:51) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 25 2007,03:46) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,02:30) But modern day Christianity is so far from the original Christianity that it is no longer recognizable. KJ, I'm finding this to be true, too.  I'm really disappointed in the truth that I am finding.  Ha!  I know that sounds funny, but I feel like I have been lied to on so many topics of Christianity.  Now, having certain truths revealed to me, I am forced to change a belief and/or a practice once held dear.  This is a huge bummer.  Although the blessings of the LORD cannot compare.  Praise Him!  And keep coming back to give us tid-bits of what you are learning.  So many of us here value the journey you are on……. Press on, Brother! The journey our brother is on is bondage. Keeping the law according to the letter and not the freedom of the Spirit. So you say. And I haven't listened to Ronald Dart in weeks   . What I am finding is not bondage but freedom.  I am finally realizing that what I have been doing for 20 years was the true bondage. When you are open to truth and stop looking at things through pagan eyes, its amazing how many things become so clear. Me three…. its a strange feeling to arive and find freedom from bondage, in the reverse manner, of which we have been taught to seek after it. Job, is a good example, his freinds words sound so perfect to read, yet God was not happy with them? Charity, You are right. Job pretty much sums it up!

I still feel the same

[kejonn]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 21 2008,20:16)

Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 20 2007,13:45) Just for clarity of all one the many “sides”, from the ESV Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Mat 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. The Greek word used in 5:19 that the ESV renders as “relaxes” is “luo” a primary verb; to “loosen” (literally or figuratively):–break (up), destroy, dissolve, (un-)loose, melt, put off. Compare rhgnumi – rhegnumi 4486. Hi KJ, You used to uphold the scriptures and warn others. What changed?

Missed this one. What changed? I stopped ignoring all of the things I ignored in the past. Isn't it a shame that God gave us intelligence?

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