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[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,07:10)

WJ, Fulfilled does not mean eliminated. It means to be made complete. And is the Ten Commandments the “Law of God”? What are laws? They provide rules. But they also involve penalties for breaking them. No penalties were written on stone tablets. That was contained in the law of Moses.

kejonn

Is not the law of Moses the Law of God?

Well then.

When do we stop keeping the law of God? At the Sabbath? At the feast? How about the sacrifices?

You want to keep the Sabbath or the laws that is your right.

But again, not that you are saying this. I am free in Christ to serve him daily by living in his Spirit and resting in him.

So I will not come under the Law at MT sinai. But will walk in a higher Law, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, for my mother is the New Jerusalem which is from above and of a better covenant.

Blessings

[kenrch]

WJ the remnant of the “true church” keep the Commandments of God.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

WJ the last day saints “keep the commandments of God”.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Commandments AND the testimony And faith in Jesus.

You will be keeping the triditions of men. But you will wake up before then….I pray

[kejonn]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,14:42)

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,07:10) WJ, Fulfilled does not mean eliminated. It means to be made complete. And is the Ten Commandments the “Law of God”? What are laws? They provide rules. But they also involve penalties for breaking them. No penalties were written on stone tablets. That was contained in the law of Moses. kejonn Is not the law of Moses the Law of God? Well then. When do we stop keeping the law of God? At the Sabbath? At the feast? How about the sacrifices? You want to keep the Sabbath or the laws that is your right. But again, not that you are saying this. I am free in Christ to serve him daily by living in his Spirit and resting in him. So I will not come under the Law at MT sinai. But will walk in a higher Law, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, for my mother is the New Jerusalem which is from above and of a better covenant. Blessings

Where does the new testament say to keep the law? That is the question. And it never says that we keep the commandments for righteousness. But it does say often that keeping them shows our love to God and that we have come to know Him. Is love, knowing God, and righteousness the same thing?

1Jn 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
1Jn 2:5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:
1Jn 2:6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.

1Jn 3:22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it.

Rev 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

That last one is powerful! It says the saints are those who keep the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus. A saint does both, not just one without the other. So you CAN be a Christian without keeping the commandments, but how will you show God your love if you are not willing to keep His commandments?

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 07 2007,06:37)

GB You say… Quote The commamdments were truned in (law) at Mount Sini. A commandment is (NOT) a Law and therefore does not requirement obedience by forced compliance like a (LAW) does. Then why do I feel like I am being forced to obey a law that is fulfilled in Christ and if I dont then I am blind and lost, seems like “forced compliance to me”. Are you saying the “Ten Commandments” were not the “Law of God”?

WJ…..> if you fill forced to obey (ANY Law) and that's the reason you do it, then you are being driven by (FEAR) and what does it say about fear,”nothing is perfected in fear because Fear has TORMENT.But perfect love (CAST OUT) fear. So if Fear is your motivation you are not living a free life but are in bondage. The law (forced compliance) is for the fearfull and unbeliving. Why, because they are not moved by Faith, but fear, big difference.

We who Have the Spirit (DO) the things (contained) in the Law, but not through Law (forced compliance) we obey the commandments through a new and living way, which is completely seperate from the way Law (FORCED COMPIANCE) works. SO the commandment are Spritual and eternal why, because it's The Father very own nature that HE expressed to us through He loving commandments.

If you have recieved that Nature you will walk in the commandment naturally without any works brought on by forced compliance or LAW.For whosoever is under Law is under a curse, and again the Law was made for the sinner and the unGodly.

And if you don't walk this way then you Just don't have the Spirit.

Paul was addressing the (WAY) law works and the way the Spirit works, His arguments were never againts the commandments of God at all….

peace to all…….gene

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,08:14)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,14:42) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,07:10) WJ, Fulfilled does not mean eliminated. It means to be made complete. And is the Ten Commandments the “Law of God”? What are laws? They provide rules. But they also involve penalties for breaking them. No penalties were written on stone tablets. That was contained in the law of Moses. kejonn Is not the law of Moses the Law of God? Well then. When do we stop keeping the law of God? At the Sabbath? At the feast? How about the sacrifices? You want to keep the Sabbath or the laws that is your right. But again, not that you are saying this. I am free in Christ to serve him daily by living in his Spirit and resting in him. So I will not come under the Law at MT sinai. But will walk in a higher Law, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, for my mother is the New Jerusalem which is from above and of a better covenant. Blessings Where does the new testament say to keep the law? That is the question. And it never says that we keep the commandments for righteousness. But it does say often that keeping them shows our love to God and that we have come to know Him. Is love, knowing God, and righteousness the same thing? 1Jn 2:3  And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. 1Jn 2:4  Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 1Jn 2:5  but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 1Jn 2:6  whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked. 1Jn 3:22  and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him. 1Jn 5:2  By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.   1Jn 5:3  For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 2Jn 1:6  And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it. Rev 14:12  Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. That last one is powerful! It says the saints are those who keep the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus. A saint does both, not just one without the other. So you CAN be a Christian without keeping the commandments, but how will you show God your love if you are not willing to keep His commandments?

kejonn

You are starting to sound like kenrch.

Which ones kejonn? In the passages you mention where is it written to keep the “Laws of the Old Covenant”? You can infer that if you like.

Those passages do not mention Sabbath or “Ten commandments.”

If you want to know what the commandments of the New Testament or New covenant are for believers, then listen to Jesus words from the sermon on the mount. Its a higher law. Its the Law of the Spirit.

“Thou shalt not kill” but I say unto if you hate your brother you have murdered.

“Thou shalt not committ adultery” but I say to you if you look on a woman and lust in your heart you have committed adultery.

A “New” commandment I give unto you. That you love one another.

I see nothing in the New Covenant commandments that we are to keep the physical Sasbbath. That is what this is all about.

Again, our rest is in him. It is wrong to try and bring believers under the law by infering that we are not pleasing him or are breaking his commandments when the scriptures are clear that those things are fulfilled in Christ.

If a man wants to be under the law then he should keep the whole law. There is no ambiguity in this statement. It is clear cut scripture.

[kejonn]

WJ,

can you show me where the Law is the Ten commandments?

[kenrch]

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You are starting to sound like kenrch.

See WJ Scripture is scripture Not men's traditions.

You should wake up and come out of her WJ. You are one of HIS people that is in her doctrines of deceit.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Who are HIS people? And who are they in, that they should come out?

Who teaches that God's commandment has been changed? Who teaches that we do not have to keep the forth commandment.

Where is this taught in scripture?

WJ what is wrong with keeping the day God gave and not the day of man?

Bondage? I can break the law of God any time I want just like you! But I choose to keep His Commandments because this is the love for God as scripture says and NOT man's tradition.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,09:00)

WJ, can you show me where the Law is the Ten commandments?

Can you show me the term  “Ten Commandments” found in the mouth of Yeshua or the Apostles?

Can you show me without ambiguity that the “Ten Commandments” is not part of the law?

Can you show me where for 2500 years those before Moses who were counted for righteousness by faith kept the Sabbath?

[kenrch]

Jesus did make the law spiritual. We are not under the letter of the law BECAUSE it is now spiritual.

We have the Holy Spirit to guide us instead of the letter of the law.

So now the Holy Spirit says it's ok to murder, steal, lie, adultery, lust, Keep any day.

Is that what Jesus did for us?

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

WJ has heaven and earth passed away?

Those who break the least of the commandments and TEACH men to do so “will be the least in the kingdom of the heaven”.

Who said that the POPE?! No WJ it was whom you disobey Jesus the very one you say you serve.

Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Wow! I can still remember when that hit home

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 07 2007,09:16)

Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,09:00) WJ, can you show me where the Law is the Ten commandments? Can you show me the term  “Ten Commandments” found in the mouth of Yeshua or the Apostles? Can you show me without ambiguity that the “Ten Commandments” is not part of the law? Can you show me where for 2500 years those before Moses who were counted for righteousness by faith kept the Sabbath?

1. 1Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
See also 1 Cor 6:9, Acts 17:16&23,
Romans 2:22&23, 1John 5:21

2. Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought
not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone,
graven by art and man's device. See also 1 Cor 12:2

3. James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by
heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath…
lest ye fall into condemnation.

4. Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and
rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Hebrews 4 4&9 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this
wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
There remaineth therefore a (keeping of a sabbath-see margin) rest
to the people of God.
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three
sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 13:42&44 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the
Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the
next sabbath. And the next sabbath day came almost the
whole city together to hear the word of God.
See also Acts 16:13

5. Ephesians 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour
thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
See also Romans 1:30

6. James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not kill,.
See also Romans1:29

7. 1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye
should abstain from fornication:
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
See also 1Cor 6:9, Romans 2:22, Romans 1:29, Romans 13:9

8. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not steal.
1 Thessalonians 4:6 That no [man] go beyond and defraud his brother in [any] matter:
See also 1Cor 6:10

9. Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another
Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not bear false witness

10. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not covet;
See also 1 Cor 6:10, Romans 1:29

Deu. 5:6-21 is the Ten Commandments…again.

Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

Deu 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

Deu 10:5 And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me.

Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge,…. my commandments,…. my statutes,… and my laws.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Hi all!

Commandments of God!

Laws of God!

Same?

Lev 7:
[35] This is the portion of the anointing of Aaron, and of the anointing of his sons, out of the offerings of the LORD made by fire, in the day when he presented them to minister unto the LORD in the priest's office;
[36] Which the LORD commanded to be given them of the children of Israel, in the day that he anointed them, by a statute for ever throughout their generations.
[37] This is the law of the burnt offering, of the meat offering, and of the sin offering, and of the trespass offering, and of the consecrations, and of the sacrifice of the peace offerings;
[38] Which the LORD commanded Moses in mount Sinai, in the day that he commanded the children of Israel to offer their oblations unto the LORD, in the wilderness of Sinai.

Looks like commandments to me!

Lev 8:
31] And Moses said unto Aaron and to his sons, Boil the flesh at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation: and there eat it with the bread that is in the basket of consecrations, as I commanded, saying, Aaron and his sons shall eat it.
[32] And that which remaineth of the flesh and of the bread shall ye burn with fire.
[33] And ye shall not go out of the door of the tabernacle of the congregation in seven days, until the days of your consecration be at an end: for seven days shall he consecrate you.
[34] As he hath done this day, so the LORD hath commanded to do, to make an atonement for you.
[35] Therefore shall ye abide at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation day and night seven days, and keep the charge of the LORD, that ye die not: for so I am commanded.
[36] So Aaron and his sons did all things which the LORD commanded by the hand of Moses.

Looks like commandments to me!

Lev 27
[30] And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.
[31] And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
[32] And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
[33] He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.
[34] These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.

Looks like commandments to me!!!

All these Laws/commandments were given to moses on Mt Sinai.

The Covenant From Sinai Abolished nailed to the tree!  

Gal. 4:21-31
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, and the other by a free woman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh, but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the Mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar…. But Jerusalem which is above is free which is the mother of us all…. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born of the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free

Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the **Mount Sinai**, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar…. But Jerusalem which is above is free which is the mother of us all

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 07 2007,09:46)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 07 2007,09:16) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,09:00) WJ, can you show me where the Law is the Ten commandments? Can you show me the term  “Ten Commandments” found in the mouth of Yeshua or the Apostles? Can you show me without ambiguity that the “Ten Commandments” is not part of the law? Can you show me where for 2500 years those before Moses who were counted for righteousness by faith kept the Sabbath? 1. 1Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. See also 1 Cor 6:9, Acts 17:16&23, Romans 2:22&23, 1John 5:21 2. Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. See also 1 Cor 12:2 3. James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath… lest ye fall into condemnation. 4. Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. Hebrews 4 4&9 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. There remaineth therefore a (keeping of a sabbath-see margin) rest to the people of God. Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Acts 13:42&44 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. See also Acts 16:13 5. Ephesians 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; See also Romans 1:30 6. James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not kill,. See also Romans1:29 7. 1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. See also 1Cor 6:9, Romans 2:22, Romans 1:29, Romans 13:9 8. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not steal. 1 Thessalonians 4:6 That no [man] go beyond and defraud his brother in [any] matter: See also 1Cor 6:10 9. Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not bear false witness 10. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not covet; See also 1 Cor 6:10, Romans 1:29 Deu. 5:6-21 is the Ten Commandments…again. Deu 5:22  These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me. Deu 10:4  And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me. Deu 10:5  And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me. Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. Gen 26:5  Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge,…. my commandments,…. my statutes,… and my laws.

kenrch

Amazing!

All those commandments that we have that we obey through the Spirit of life, yet there is no mention of a physical keeping of the Sabbath.

Everything you have mentioned is Spiritual and is fulfilled as we walk and live in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

We dont set out to keep the law in order to be in the Spirit.

We set out to be filled with the Spirit then the law will be fulfilled in us as we walk by faith.

Heb 4:3
For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

We found our rest in Christ as we follow him and cease to be justified by our own works!

[Worshipping Jesus]

kenrch

You quote…

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Gen 26:5  Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge,…. my commandments,…. my statutes,… and my laws.

Can you show me where Abraham kept the Sabbath?  

[kenrch]

Hi all,

Laws of the RCC.

I would quote from scripture but there are NONE!

Jesus was resurrected on Sunday.

Sunday is the “new” Sabbath.

You don't have to keep God's commandments they were nailed to the cross.

Mary is the queen of heaven and stayed a virigin.

Call our clergy “father”.

The bread we offer IS the body of Christ.

We used to have statues in our churches but we took them out….Hummm Why?

God is no longer one but three.

Christmas and Easter are “holy days” not to mention pagan.

We wear long robes and demand respectfull greetings just as Jesus said NOT to do.

Our prayers are repetitious just as …again just as Jesus said NOT to do.

All of my daughters teach and keep the same false doctrines as their Mother of harlots does.

This is what you are in WJ…HER

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

[kenrch]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 07 2007,09:58)

Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 07 2007,09:46) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 07 2007,09:16) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,09:00) WJ, can you show me where the Law is the Ten commandments? Can you show me the term  “Ten Commandments” found in the mouth of Yeshua or the Apostles? Can you show me without ambiguity that the “Ten Commandments” is not part of the law? Can you show me where for 2500 years those before Moses who were counted for righteousness by faith kept the Sabbath? 1. 1Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. See also 1 Cor 6:9, Acts 17:16&23, Romans 2:22&23, 1John 5:21 2. Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. See also 1 Cor 12:2 3. James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath… lest ye fall into condemnation. 4. Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. Hebrews 4 4&9 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. There remaineth therefore a (keeping of a sabbath-see margin) rest to the people of God. Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Acts 13:42&44 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. See also Acts 16:13 5. Ephesians 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; See also Romans 1:30 6. James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not kill,. See also Romans1:29 7. 1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, [even] your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. See also 1Cor 6:9, Romans 2:22, Romans 1:29, Romans 13:9 8. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not steal. 1 Thessalonians 4:6 That no [man] go beyond and defraud his brother in [any] matter: See also 1Cor 6:10 9. Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not bear false witness 10. Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not covet; See also 1 Cor 6:10, Romans 1:29 Deu. 5:6-21 is the Ten Commandments…again. Deu 5:22  These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me. Deu 10:4  And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me. Deu 10:5  And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me. Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. Gen 26:5  Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge,…. my commandments,…. my statutes,… and my laws. kenrch Amazing! All those commandments that we have that we obey through the Spirit of life, yet there is no mention of a physical keeping of the Sabbath. Everything you have mentioned is Spiritual and is fulfilled as we walk and live in the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. We dont set out to keep the law in order to be in the Spirit. We set out to be filled with the Spirit then the law will be fulfilled in us as we walk by faith. Heb 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world. We found our rest in Christ as we follow him and cease to be justified by our own works!

Sure,
Gen 26:5  Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

I believe the forth commandment is the Sabbath.

The reason the apostles were “mostly silent” about the Sabbath is because it WAS NOT CHANGED.  Had it been changed as you suppose then their would have been Plenty of scriptures saying so.  Makes sense, Humm?

Buit the apostle to the Gentiles as recorded in scripture taught the Gentiles on the Sabbath day.

Heb 4:8  For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.
Heb 4:9  So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

The people of God keep the Sabbath Because Joshua did not give them the eternal Sabbath in the promised land.

SO then…there “Remains”  what does that mean remains?

A Sabbath rest for the people of God.

[GeneBalthrop]

WJ…..> Paul in reguards to the commandments was not talking about should we be keeping them, but (HOW) were (KEEPING) them.

One way is by LAW (froced compliance)

another way is By the( Spirit of God) in us. A new nature that automaticly fullfils the commandments. And in this case you don't need Law (Forced compliance)

SO the question isn't should we keep the commandments but (HOW) we KEEP them. That was Pauls agruement, not should we. WJ, it's not that difficult to get the picture. Thats why it says we are (created) unto good works, It's a work of God the FAther…….It makes sence if you think about it…….Peace….gene

[GeneBalthrop]

To all…..> Jesus said Love for God and love for one another, that the whole law was hinged on these.
Question…..If we say the door is hinged on two hinges can we also say we don't need the door then. So just because all the law is hinged on the two great commandments dosen't meanwe can also through away the rest either. They all work together as one unit. The door and the hinges. It's just the hinges supports the door, doesent do away with it……peace …gene

[kejonn]

I think part of the problem is that people don't see where Yeshua taught about the Sabbath like he did the other commandments. But didn't he? Let's look at some others.

Mat 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.'
Mat 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire.

Mat 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.'
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Mat 15:4 For God commanded, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.'
Mat 15:5 But you say, 'If anyone tells his father or his mother, “What you would have gained from me is given to God,”
Mat 15:6 he need not honor his father.' So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God.

Mat 19:16 And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”
Mat 19:18 He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

So as you see, he touched on the truth of several of the commandments. But what of the Sabbath?

Mat 12:10 And a man was there with a withered hand. And they asked him, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”–so that they might accuse him.
Mat 12:11 He said to them, “Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out?
Mat 12:12 Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

Mar 2:24 And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”
Mar 2:25 And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him:
Mar 2:26 how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?”
Mar 2:27 And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
Mar 2:28 So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Luk 13:14 But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the people, “There are six days in which work ought to be done. Come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day.”
Luk 13:15 Then the Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the manger and lead it away to water it?
Luk 13:16 And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?”

Joh 5:16 And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”

Now wouldn't you think that the one who made the new covenant would say that the Sabbath was abolished rather than answer the way he did? Yet he did not. He instead showed us how to do well on the Sabbath, just as he showed us how to truly adhere to he other commandments. And if the Sabbath was no longer important, why this?

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read.

“And as was his custom”? Didn't Yeshau come to change things in the new covenant? Then why would going to the synagogue on the Sabbath be part of his custom? If he would have abolished the Sabbath, this would be the time. Yet he continued on!

If you say you are a Christian, you are “Christlike”, right? Then if the Savior made it is custom to teach and worship on the Sabbath, why do so many want to be unlike the Savior in this capacity?

[942767]

Hi All:

Whatever we do as born again believers, we do out of love for God and for humanity.

Also, the reason that God was displeased with the Nation of Israel relative to the Sabbath days is because they were hypocrites as shown by the following scriptures:

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Ezekiel 22:1 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2 Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, F89 wilt thou judge the bloody city? yea, thou shalt shew her all her abominations. 3 Then say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD, The city sheddeth blood in the midst of it, that her time may come, and maketh idols against herself to defile herself. 4 Thou art become guilty in thy blood that thou hast shed; and hast defiled thyself in thine idols which thou hast made; and thou hast caused thy days to draw near, and art come even unto thy years: therefore have I made thee a reproach unto the heathen, and a mocking to all countries. 5 Those that be near, and those that be far from thee, shall mock thee, which art infamous F90 and much vexed. 6 Behold, the princes of Israel, every one were in thee to their power F91 to shed blood. 7 In thee have they set light by father and mother: in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression F92 with the stranger: in thee have they vexed the fatherless and the widow. 8 Thou hast despised mine holy things, and hast profaned my sabbaths. 9 In thee are men that carry tales to shed blood: and in thee they eat upon the mountains: in the midst of thee they commit lewdness. 10 In thee have they discovered their fathers' nakedness: in thee have they humbled her that was set apart for pollution. 11 And one F93 hath committed abomination with his neighbour's wife; and another hath lewdly defiled his daughter in law; and another in thee hath humbled his sister, his father's daughter. 12 In thee have they taken gifts to shed blood; thou hast taken usury and increase, and thou hast greedily gained of thy neighbours by extortion, and hast forgotten me, saith the Lord GOD. 13 Behold, therefore I have smitten mine hand at thy dishonest gain which thou hast made, and at thy blood which hath been in the midst of thee. 14 Can thine heart endure, or can thine hands be strong, in the days that I shall deal with thee? I the LORD have spoken it, and will do it. 15 And I will scatter thee among the heathen, and disperse thee in the countries, and will consume thy filthiness out of thee. 16 And thou shalt take thine inheritance in thyself in the sight of the heathen, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD

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.Ezekiel23: 38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths. 39 For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house. 40 And furthermore, that ye have sent for men to come F103 from far, unto whom a messenger was sent; and, lo, they came: for whom thou didst wash thyself, paintedst thy eyes, and deckedst thyself with ornaments, 41 And satest upon a stately F104 bed, and a table prepared before it, whereupon thou hast set mine incense and mine oil. 42 And a voice of a multitude being at ease was with her: and with the men of the common sort were brought Sabeans from the wilderness, which put bracelets upon their hands, and beautiful crowns upon their heads. 43 Then said I unto her that was old in adulteries, Will they now commit whoredoms F105 with her, and she with them? 44 Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that playeth the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women. 45 And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands. 46 For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled

And so, we see that the reason that they went into Babylon was because of their hypocrisy and not just because they did not keep the Sabbath.

God Bless

[Worshipping Jesus]

kejonn

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Now wouldn't you think that the one who made the new covenant would say that the Sabbath was abolished rather than answer the way he did? Yet he did not. He instead showed us how to do well on the Sabbath, just as he showed us how to truly adhere to he other commandments. And if the Sabbath was no longer important, why this? Luk 4:16  And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read. “And as was his custom”? Didn't Yeshau come to change things in the new covenant? Then why would going to the synagogue on the Sabbath be part of his custom? If he would have abolished the Sabbath, this would be the time. Yet he continued on!

This is a fallacous argument. Jesus was under the law and had to fullfill all rightouesness untill he was crucified. He did this at the start of his ministry. But there is no other mention of him going in the Synagogue to teach on the Sabbath after this.

Rom 8:
1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.  
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.  
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,  
4 so that the *requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us*, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Gal 5:
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.  
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,  
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,  
21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.  
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,  
23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.  
24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.  
25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.  (which he classifys is the law of the Spirit of life in Rom 8:2)
26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.  

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If you say you are a Christian, you are “Christlike”, right? Then if the Savior made it is custom to teach and worship on the Sabbath, why do so many want to be unlike the Savior in this capacity?

Did Jesus only worship on the Sabbath? Where do you see he worshipped in the text anyway?

Since going to the Synagogue to teach and worship on the Sabbath as you say makes us “Christlike”, then when is the last time you went to the Synagogue on the Sabbath to teach and to worship?

To be like him should we only just worship on the Sabbath?

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